Incel Murder - Elliot Rodgers Effect Strikes Again

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Hahaha... You are only trying to get to the root causes as you see them.
A narrative that obviously suits your stilted, fear ridden, colorless outlook on life

It's such a pity that you can't even recognise your own particular brand of low level IQ.
Arrogance makes fools of us all and you are it's latest victim.

I lol at this unprovoked aggression. I never implied you are low IQ as I would abstain from similar speculations. You show the weakness of your superficial political argument by attacking ad hominem. I explained that my position goes deeper than wing politics, as it should because it would become sterile. You keep basing your argument on the political spectrum, thus you constrain yourself to your already established personal opinions.
 

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I feel like being bald is gonna get worse for next generations as time goes on, we live in a time where woman empowerment is encouraged, a time where a woman who claims she is BETTER and MORE EFFICIENT than a man is encouraged. I think alot of men are doomed, we have woman bringing up "sexual assault" cases that stem from a dude trying to kiss a woman and her rejecting.

Eventually woman will just start dating woman and then at that point its really over for us baldies.
 

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Are you sure you have had the life experiences you claim to?
Because you speak in cliché after damn cliché.

I think you're not really that observant and you just believe everything you read on line, buying into the new anxiety that insecure males must now subscribe to; the ubiquitous "cuck" phenomena.

Get out there and observe real life. It's a far cry from the nightmare fairytale that you have described here.

blackg approved.

You sound like a cuck
 

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I lol at this unprovoked aggression. I never implied you are low IQ as I would abstain from similar speculations. You show the weakness of your superficial political argument by attacking ad hominem. I explained that my position goes deeper than wing politics, as it should because it would become sterile. You keep basing your argument on the political spectrum, thus you constrain yourself to your already established personal opinions.

I am implying he is low in and low testosterone. Post reeks adversity to competition.
 

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Another thing I noticed is that Roger's parents allowed him to play world of warcraft everyday for like 8 hours. What chance in life does someone have if they spend most of it in isolation playing video games ? Your just going to end up resentful because you can't converse with the real world

It's beyond me his issue with women. He has good skin and hair? I don't get it. He's not poor. He does not have mangled teeth or features, height issues or a variety of other problems. I simply don't get it.

The other man in question had a tick, speech impediments, and was educated in what people referred to in my high school as 'the retard room'! Lol

There's definitely a lot of issues with masculinity. With men. Even with what it is to be a man.

I discussed this with a buddy. There's a lot of women laughing about this issue of incel. What if a group of men mocked a woman who couldn't have kids or get married! That is fucked up. It's deranged. Who does that.

My point is that the mockery of incel and these men is essentially psychological warfare. If someone stepped up physically, you can use force, and defend yourself. In these predicaments, the actions are psychological and personal.

Peterson discussed the topic of how men don't know how to compete with women. Women compete with men and women. Men compete with men. Its weird times.
 

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I lol at this unprovoked aggression. I never implied you are low IQ as I would abstain from similar speculations. You show the weakness of your superficial political argument by attacking ad hominem. I explained that my position goes deeper than wing politics, as it should because it would become sterile. You keep basing your argument on the political spectrum, thus you constrain yourself to your already established personal opinions.
Hahaha... Takes one to know one.
Your opinions on the Roger case are already formed. "Degenerate parents" and a "rotten society".
Please....

Laughable.
 
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I have been reading about this since it happened and I finally found an article that deals with it in a way I consider thoughtful.

Most of the articles just go on and on about "misogyny" and offer nothing in terms of solutions for the direction society is going or how rampant this problem is becoming. The fact that "Chads and Staceys" and redpill ideology has pervaded every website (including this one) shows how far reaching it has become in our society. And generally, when something spreads this easily and massively it's probably because there's actually some truth to it.

Here are some basic facts that can't be overlooked:

- Men who are heavily rejected by women tend to get almost universally rejected (whether for looks or autism).
- Men who do well with women have enormous amounts of choice and sexual options (eg. Tinder).
- Online dating has amplified this polarization.
- Sex and relationships are important parts of maintaining a healthy mind. eg. Loneliness leads to premature death, incels go on murder sprees.
- You cannot mandate women date men they find unattractive.
- Some men will thus likely always be at the bottom of the heap and left largely "undatable".

If you acknowledge those basic points as true, then there are only a few measures which seem to make sense for dealing with this problem. You can try to mandate all incels get counselling to "cope" with their loneliness, but this is circuitous at best and likely wasteful. It won't fix the problem. eg. I could have gone to a thousand therapists about my giant forehead but the only thing that was going to change how I felt was getting it surgically corrected.

So this leaves:

- Make prostitution legal.
- Destigmatize prostitution by treating it as an act of compassion and not male dominance/abuse.

The article reviews it in more detail and very well. I am happy to see at least ONE voice that is attempting to deal with this in a mature way that doesn't try to brush it under the carpet but rather deal with it at its root.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...l-deprivation-sex-workers-incels-and-violence

Adults who do sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals) and adults who hire adults doing sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals). The former cultural transformation will solve the “incel” problem; the latter will solve the problem of sexual deprivation, i.e. involuntary celibacy.

We are capable of recognizing the legitimacy of sex work—even the moral good of sex work—in certain cases. We see compassion, tenderness, and necessity in some commercial sex transactions. We recognize, for instance, the importance of touch and sexual release for the profoundly physically disabled. So when a mother hires a sex worker to meet the sexual needs of her profoundly disabled son, newspapers publish stories with headlines like “The sex workers giving disabled people a chance to live out their dreams”.

There are people who are so profoundly physically disabled that their chances of finding sex and/or romance the way the most people do—dating apps, social circles, chance meetings in bars and clubs or other venues—are slim to impossible. We see our way clear to allowing them to seek physical comfort and sexual release in the arms/between the legs of sex workers. Hollywood makes films that portray disabled people buying sex in a sympathetic light.

Well, there are men out there who are so profoundly socially disabled—so socially awkward or maladapted or damaged—that they just as incapable of finding finding sex and/or romance through “normal” channels as a quadriplegic confined to a bed in his mother’s home.

These are the guys who find their way to hateful, misogynistic online incel forums.

Stigmatizing men who pay for sex as losers and running emasculating PSA campaigns ("Real Men Don't Buy Girls ," “Cool Men Don’t Buy Sex”) makes it harder for men who may be profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can actually have—paid sex—without feeling worse about themselves than they already did.

I really have no idea what outlawing prostitution is meant to accomplish. But I do know what legalizing it would be intended to accomplish. It's either that or sex robots, and the tech for that is nowhere near ready.
 
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Minassian's ridiculously fast Arab hair growth rate (and/or the poor skills of courtroom sketch artists) is now leading to conspiracy theories:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldar...air-is-now-the?utm_term=.rtV2OpZR4#.ucKRLoekV

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I have been reading about this since it happened and I finally found an article that deals with it in a way I consider thoughtful.

Most of the articles just go on and on about "misogyny" and offer nothing in terms of solutions for the direction society is going or how rampant this problem is becoming. The fact that "Chads and Staceys" and redpill ideology has pervaded every website (including this one) shows how far reaching it has become in our society. And generally, when something spreads this easily and massively it's probably because there's actually some truth to it.

Here are some basic facts that can't be overlooked:

- Men who are heavily rejected by women tend to get almost universally rejected (whether for looks or autism).
- Men who do well with women have enormous amounts of choice and sexual options (eg. Tinder).
- Online dating has amplified this polarization.
- Sex and relationships are important parts of maintaining a healthy mind. eg. Loneliness leads to premature death, incels go on murder sprees.
- You cannot mandate women date men they find unattractive.
- Some men will thus likely always be at the bottom of the heap and left largely "undatable".

If you acknowledge those basic points as true, then there are only a few measures which seem to make sense for dealing with this problem. You can try to mandate all incels get counselling to "cope" with their loneliness, but this is circuitous at best and likely wasteful. It won't fix the problem. eg. I could have gone to a thousand therapists about my giant forehead but the only thing that was going to change how I felt was getting it surgically corrected.

So this leaves:

- Make prostitution legal.
- Destigmatize prostitution by treating it as an act of compassion and not male dominance/abuse.

The article reviews it in more detail and very well. I am happy to see at least ONE voice that is attempting to deal with this in a mature way that doesn't try to brush it under the carpet but rather deal with it at its root.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...l-deprivation-sex-workers-incels-and-violence

Adults who do sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals) and adults who hire adults doing sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals). The former cultural transformation will solve the “incel” problem; the latter will solve the problem of sexual deprivation, i.e. involuntary celibacy.

We are capable of recognizing the legitimacy of sex work—even the moral good of sex work—in certain cases. We see compassion, tenderness, and necessity in some commercial sex transactions. We recognize, for instance, the importance of touch and sexual release for the profoundly physically disabled. So when a mother hires a sex worker to meet the sexual needs of her profoundly disabled son, newspapers publish stories with headlines like “The sex workers giving disabled people a chance to live out their dreams”.

There are people who are so profoundly physically disabled that their chances of finding sex and/or romance the way the most people do—dating apps, social circles, chance meetings in bars and clubs or other venues—are slim to impossible. We see our way clear to allowing them to seek physical comfort and sexual release in the arms/between the legs of sex workers. Hollywood makes films that portray disabled people buying sex in a sympathetic light.

Well, there are men out there who are so profoundly socially disabled—so socially awkward or maladapted or damaged—that they just as incapable of finding finding sex and/or romance through “normal” channels as a quadriplegic confined to a bed in his mother’s home.

These are the guys who find their way to hateful, misogynistic online incel forums.

Stigmatizing men who pay for sex as losers and running emasculating PSA campaigns ("Real Men Don't Buy Girls ," “Cool Men Don’t Buy Sex”) makes it harder for men who may be profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can actually have—paid sex—without feeling worse about themselves than they already did.

I really have no idea what outlawing prostitution is meant to accomplish. But I do know what legalizing it would be intended to accomplish. It's either that or sex robots, and the tech for that is nowhere near ready.

I went to a prostitute recently, I had a long post about it here that you might have missed.

It's not a long-term solution for incelism, as men in fact want more than just sex. A lot of men want and need genuine companionship, regardless of whether or not they realize it. A prostitute is a palliative, she can provide some benefits, but not those of a long-term relationship.

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Do you think that there might have been a very low rate of incelism in post-war Europe? It stands to reason doesn't it, as a disproportionate number of the casualties might have been men?
 

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I went to a prostitute recently, I had a long post about it here that you might have missed.

It's not a long-term solution for incelism, as men in fact want more than just sex. A lot of men want and need genuine companionship, regardless of whether or not they realize it. A prostitute is a palliative, she can provide some benefits, but not those of a long-term relationship.

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Do you think that there might have been a very low rate of incelism in post-war Europe? It stands to reason doesn't it, as a disproportionate number of the casualties might have been men?

Absolutely I agree it's palliative and not the same thing. But I think that making it illegal for men who are too unattractive to get a consenting "free" mate to access sex at all makes absolutely no sense. It punishes those men on top of the punishment they have already received. No one chooses to be born with autism for example. It's a disability that makes it almost impossible to get laid unless you are incredibly good looking or have something else very rare going for you. So your choice in that position is to go through life without sex, or pay for it and:

- Risk going to jail.
- Feel like a criminal just for wanting to touch a woman.
- Feel like a loser because that's what society then tells you that you are

Unless science comes up with a way to cure autism and/or gov'ts start offering broad scale cosmetic surgeries and LL clinics to incels then any solution is going to be essentially palliative. Furthermore, women are designed to seek the best men by comparison, so even if you escalated the bottom 5% of men into the mid 50th percentile, all it would do is push a different cohort of men into the bottom 5% and the suffering would be shifted not ended.

Long term, sex robots with high quality AI will be able to provide for all the needs of a lonely man. Maybe that tech will be available when we are old men. But for the youth of today, I think this is the best anyone could aim to do.

As for war, yes, definitely. More men are born than women every year and many say this reflects that men are meant to be more disposable and die more often in war, fighting, hunting, etc. Every male survivor in Europe after the war must have felt like a SuperChad.
 

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I have been reading about this since it happened and I finally found an article that deals with it in a way I consider thoughtful.

Most of the articles just go on and on about "misogyny" and offer nothing in terms of solutions for the direction society is going or how rampant this problem is becoming. The fact that "Chads and Staceys" and redpill ideology has pervaded every website (including this one) shows how far reaching it has become in our society. And generally, when something spreads this easily and massively it's probably because there's actually some truth to it.

Here are some basic facts that can't be overlooked:

- Men who are heavily rejected by women tend to get almost universally rejected (whether for looks or autism).
- Men who do well with women have enormous amounts of choice and sexual options (eg. Tinder).
- Online dating has amplified this polarization.
- Sex and relationships are important parts of maintaining a healthy mind. eg. Loneliness leads to premature death, incels go on murder sprees.
- You cannot mandate women date men they find unattractive.
- Some men will thus likely always be at the bottom of the heap and left largely "undatable".

If you acknowledge those basic points as true, then there are only a few measures which seem to make sense for dealing with this problem. You can try to mandate all incels get counselling to "cope" with their loneliness, but this is circuitous at best and likely wasteful. It won't fix the problem. eg. I could have gone to a thousand therapists about my giant forehead but the only thing that was going to change how I felt was getting it surgically corrected.

So this leaves:

- Make prostitution legal.
- Destigmatize prostitution by treating it as an act of compassion and not male dominance/abuse.

The article reviews it in more detail and very well. I am happy to see at least ONE voice that is attempting to deal with this in a mature way that doesn't try to brush it under the carpet but rather deal with it at its root.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...l-deprivation-sex-workers-incels-and-violence

Adults who do sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals) and adults who hire adults doing sex work of their own free will shouldn’t be stigmatized (or treated like criminals). The former cultural transformation will solve the “incel” problem; the latter will solve the problem of sexual deprivation, i.e. involuntary celibacy.

We are capable of recognizing the legitimacy of sex work—even the moral good of sex work—in certain cases. We see compassion, tenderness, and necessity in some commercial sex transactions. We recognize, for instance, the importance of touch and sexual release for the profoundly physically disabled. So when a mother hires a sex worker to meet the sexual needs of her profoundly disabled son, newspapers publish stories with headlines like “The sex workers giving disabled people a chance to live out their dreams”.

There are people who are so profoundly physically disabled that their chances of finding sex and/or romance the way the most people do—dating apps, social circles, chance meetings in bars and clubs or other venues—are slim to impossible. We see our way clear to allowing them to seek physical comfort and sexual release in the arms/between the legs of sex workers. Hollywood makes films that portray disabled people buying sex in a sympathetic light.

Well, there are men out there who are so profoundly socially disabled—so socially awkward or maladapted or damaged—that they just as incapable of finding finding sex and/or romance through “normal” channels as a quadriplegic confined to a bed in his mother’s home.

These are the guys who find their way to hateful, misogynistic online incel forums.

Stigmatizing men who pay for sex as losers and running emasculating PSA campaigns ("Real Men Don't Buy Girls ," “Cool Men Don’t Buy Sex”) makes it harder for men who may be profoundly socially disabled to access the sex they can actually have—paid sex—without feeling worse about themselves than they already did.

I really have no idea what outlawing prostitution is meant to accomplish. But I do know what legalizing it would be intended to accomplish. It's either that or sex robots, and the tech for that is nowhere near ready.

They could always outlaw sex with dolls/robots.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43463625
 

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They could always outlaw sex with dolls/robots.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43463625

Money quote regarding a place men are going to f*** inanimate silicon/plastic dolls:

"Xdolls is not a sex shop. It's a place that generates money and where you rape a woman," Ms Questiaux, who also wants the centre closed, adds.​

:D

Already these dolls are "women" to feminists just because they have the basic shape. Maybe these dolls should be allowed to vote? Drive a car?
 
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Money quote regarding a place men are going to f*** inanimate silicon/plastic dolls:

"Xdolls is not a sex shop. It's a place that generates money and where you rape a woman," Ms Questiaux, who also wants the centre closed, adds.​

:D

Already these dolls are "women" to feminists just because they have the basic shape. Maybe these dolls should be allowed to vote? Drive a car?
If men are to resort to these sex dolls at least make them realistic.
When I say realistic I mean that these dolls should represent the vast majority of women out there in real life.

That is: they should come in all shapes and sizes, colors and ethnicities.
Not just your standard skinny, blonde hair and blue eyes, with big tits and a docile looking face that is the current male preference.

What better way to educate men to appreciate women of diversity than to make sex androids that reflect this global reality.
 

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I am implying he is low in and low testosterone. Post reeks adversity to competition.
And your posts reek of a paranoia with regards to the agency of women.

Which in turn reeks of insecurity as a man.
This behaviour closely follows the standards set by any man to utter the word "cuck."
 

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I discussed this with a buddy. There's a lot of women laughing about this issue of incel. What if a group of men mocked a woman who couldn't have kids or get married! That is fucked up. It's deranged. Who does that.
Who? Which women are laughing at the incel?

Women in your real life? At your work, at the bus stop?
School girls who pass by your house as you listen to their conversations "mocking the male incel."?

My guess is that you and your friend sit around relating dubious second-hand accounts of your fellow man supposedly being mocked by ungrateful, privileged women.

It clearly sounds like a mutual masturbation session of nightmarish self-flagellation fairlytales.

Well at least it's a cheap form entertainment for the two of you.
Invite me over next time!
 

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Who? Which women are laughing at the incel?

Women in your real life? At your work, at the bus stop?
School girls who pass by your house as you listen to their conversations "mocking the male incel."?

My guess is that you and your friend sit around relating dubious second-hand accounts of your fellow man supposedly being mocked by ungrateful, privileged women.

It clearly sounds like a mutual masturbation session of nightmarish self-flagellation fairlytales.

Well at least it's a cheap form entertainment for the two of you.
Invite me over next time!

Half of your posts on this thread I agree with, this is just retarded though. I was laughing at a male friends poor sex life with a female friend just yesterday. If you’ve never talked to a girl who has laughed at other guys failings particularly about their sex life before, then you’ve never talked to girls period. If you’re past 20-22 and haven’t had sex women will see that as a massive warning sign of mental issues, and certainly criticize it. It may even scare them and they will find it creepy.
 
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