Incel Murder - Elliot Rodgers Effect Strikes Again

[JeanLucBB]

This forum has gone to sh*t

 

[JeanLucBB]

BS. He grew up in the wrong place; he was alone as f***, I read the Manifesto. I am quite sure that I would have ended incel like him if I grew up in his circles and environment. Growing in a big European metropolitan city with many diverse social groups to choose and stick to and many cool people to befriend and show you the way is a blessing for those who don't grow up with perfect parents who show them the way themselves. If he grew up here or in London or in Berlin, he would be safe and sane.

He had access to one social group: American Chads and Staceys. I thank God I didn't grow up in a similar environment. He missed the train of becoming a Chad or Chad-like beta in his early adolescence so he was doomed, he wasn't able to fit in. American macho and stacy society ruined him, and in turn he ruined some of them, wrong but understandable. It is paramount that teenagers have access to many social groups to learn how the world works. He had no choice and no chance. I don't condone the sanctification of a murderer, but i understand why some deify Elliott like a Christian martyr.

From such a solid poster this has got to be the dumbest thing ever written. He has legions of gorgeous women who are now his fans and are obsessed with him, he has a look good enough to have scored 8-9s also considering the fact that he had wealth and connections to the film industry.

He had no choice or chance? How about use f*****g tinder? I have one photo, it’s a bad selfie I look awkward as f*** in but still have an excess of too many willing girls to deal with from my matches. A substantial proportion if you have enough of a pool to select from will outright offer sex within speaking to them on an app for 20 mins.

The dude was a f*****g idiot. End of story. And so are you if you believe this filth. In saying that, I find elliott somewhat appealing just in terms of his nihilism, narcissism and character. But the reality was that his “incel” situation was a few tinder messages and 10 messages to some random horny sl*t on a Friday night away from being over. He was an idiot or lying to himself.

 

[cantara]

From such a solid poster this has got to be the dumbest thing ever written. He has legions of gorgeous women who are now his fans and are obsessed with him, he has a look good enough to have scored 8-9s also considering the fact that he had wealth and connections to the film industry.

He had no choice or chance? How about use f*****g tinder? I have one photo, it’s a bad selfie I look awkward as f*** in but still have an excess of too many willing girls to deal with from my matches. A substantial proportion if you have enough of a pool to select from will outright offer sex within speaking to them on an app for 20 mins.

The dude was a f*****g idiot. End of story. And so are you if you believe this filth. In saying that, I find elliott somewhat appealing just in terms of his nihilism, narcissism and character. But the reality was that his “incel” situation was a few tinder messages and 10 messages to some random horny sl*t on a Friday night away from being over. He was an idiot or lying to himself.

Where are you located? Wanna test the location for myself.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Where are you located? Wanna test the location for myself.

Australia. I didn’t have time
Pre head shave in Turkey to meet any girls but many there seemed keen and a similar percentage of matches as I get in Australia. Their women are 10 times more attractive though, their average is top 20% of Aussie girls

 

[cantara]

Australia. I didn’t have time
Pre head shave in Turkey to meet any girls but many there seemed keen and a similar percentage of matches as I get in Australia. Their women are 10 times more attractive though, their average is too 20% of Aussie girls

I was on holidays in Australia for 3 weeks in January. Tough territory, gyms seem a big thing over there for guys!

I have a thing for Turkish (and Greek) girls, but have found it tough when trying Athens or Istanbul, too. It's probably partly because of my age.

 

[JeanLucBB]

There's an expression, "The apple did not fall far from the tree". But sometimes it does, sometimes good parents have bad kids, and bad parents have good kids. We can't be 100% sure what happened in Rodger's case.

Should I have children now, I will be very aggressive in making sure that they have proper socialization, and athletic training. In fairness, that is with 2018-level knowledge, and perhaps a wise person living in 1995 would not know as much about recent developments in that area.

My parents tried to make me engage in sport, team activities, tried to discourage video games etc and it just made me resentful of them. You can’t force socialization into kids. The data on psychological aspects of this also suggest its wrong to aggressively push things like this, the most effective means being encouraging but not forcing. I was never particularly social, I don’t regularly hang with a large group of friends, and don’t leave the house that much. Never went to parties during high school, stopped team Sports etc then too, I don’t enjoy large crowds on a regular basis or going to town with friends more than once a month or so. I never kissed a girl until I was 20 and didn’t have many female friends during high school.

Despite that at this point I still have substantially better game with women than the guys who are more social, and women constantly compliment me on my emotional oppenness, uniqueness in my conversing, honesty and confidence. I get with more girls and more attractive ones than most of my friends and people I know. The fact is that Elliott was either lying to himself or an idiot. It has nothing to do with socialization or skills. His actions show a lack of intent to communicate with women or interest in them as human beings either, he was more interested in hating them and committing violence than getting close to any.

The reality is that his upbringing wasn’t the issue, when a bad tinder profile and a few messages are all it takes for me to get sex as someone less attractive than Roger, then you know there are deeper issues.

 

[JeanLucBB]

I was on holidays in Australia for 3 weeks in January. Tough territory, gyms seem a big thing over there for guys!

I have a thing for Turkish (and Greek) girls, but have found it tough when trying Athens or Istanbul, too. It's probably partly because of my age.

Yes personally I go anyway, the majority of guys I know do.

I’d say in Australia probably 10% of girls I don’t swipe because they’re too attractive and seemingly out of my league (I’ll swipe them only if their profile suggests we’d click on something in particular), with Turkish tinder it was 80% of the girls just seem unbelievably attractive and out of my league. Still quite a few responded and seemed keen though. Turkish men conversely are below average.

 

[Cue Bald]

guys go on youtube and search for elliot rodger fans. there are many beautiful girls who post videos saying they want to marry elliot etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpGoqUcII0OcL4TY7j8LZQA

she had loads of videos of her posing in an elliot rodger tshirt etc. unfortunately she must have been trolled hard as they are all private now. i wonder how much of it is murder fetish i.e. if she had randomly bumped into elliot at a petrol station, would she have even looked at him?

 

[cantara]

Despite that at this point I still have substantially better game with women than the guys who are more social, and women constantly compliment me on my emotional oppenness, uniqueness in my conversing, honesty and confidence. I get with more girls and more attractive ones than most of my friends and people I know.

This is a very interesting point, as only reading in this forum, I think so many guys here have something a lot of guys are missing: that uniqueness in thoughts and conversing, as it seems. So many guys suck at that. If you manage to convey such thoughts in a not too awkward, bitter and missionary, yet elaborate way, you'll find women drawn to your company - and at least girls your league will want to take it a step further.

 

[JeanLucBB]

guys go on youtube and search for elliot rodger fans. there are many beautiful girls who post videos saying they want to marry elliot etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpGoqUcII0OcL4TY7j8LZQA

she had loads of videos of her posing in an elliot rodger tshirt etc. unfortunately she must have been trolled hard as they are all private now. i wonder how much of it is murder fetish i.e. if she had randomly bumped into elliot at a petrol station, would she have even looked at him?

Yes I guarantee it. He has the look, the voice, the connections, status, money and possessions. they would have even liked him despite his awkwardness and bitterness, as long as he opened up a bit.

 

[JeanLucBB]

This is a very interesting point, as only reading in this forum, I think so many guys here have something a lot of guys are missing: that uniqueness in thoughts and conversing, as it seems. So many guys suck at that. If you manage to convey such thoughts in a not too awkward, bitter and missionary, yet elaborate way, you'll find women drawn to your company - and at least girls your league will want to take it a step further.

Ask to look at a female friends tinder profile, more than half the f*****g opening messages are “hi” or “what’s up”. This isn’t a lack of social skills, it’s an outright lack of intelligence. The majority of competition even among good looking guys is weak. Outcompeting the majority of guys on hookup apps at your level of looks is simple, and anyone 6/10 or above should have no issues having a decent sex life.

The other thing you mention is big too, there’s nothing they hate more than when a guy acts too bitter or lacks enthusiasm in general about things. Even emo, pseudo depressed meme girls etc who act a certain way for an aesthetic don’t like guys who whine and aren’t enthusiastic, even if it’s just about their looks.

 

[cantara]

Ask to look at a female friends tinder profile, more than half the f*****g opening messages are “hi” or “what’s up”. This isn’t a lack of social skills, it’s an outright lack of intelligence. The majority of competition even among good looking guys is weak. Outcompeting the majority of guys on hookup apps at your level of looks is simple, and anyone 6/10 or above should have no issues having a decent sex life.

The other thing you mention is big too, there’s nothing they hate more than when a guy acts too bitter or lacks enthusiasm in general about things. Even emo, pseudo depressed meme girls etc who act a certain way for an aesthetic don’t like guys who whine and aren’t enthusiastic, even if it’s just about their looks.

It's ridiculous how easy it is to outwit and outclass your looksmatched competition. Of course it's frustrating to see how that - at least for Tinder girls - in most cases won't help you against better looking competition/if you don't meet the looks-threshold, but c'est la vie.

 

[Feelsbadman]

Pretty crazy

I Think actions like this will become more common
I suppose a lot of men are starting to understand how looks play a major part of attraction and how men who are genetically gifted will always have it easier.
It hurts to swallow and something you need to accept. Some men can't accept it and become violent

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

My parents tried to make me engage in sport, team activities, tried to discourage video games etc and it just made me resentful of them. You can’t force socialization into kids. The data on psychological aspects of this also suggest its wrong to aggressively push things like this, the most effective means being encouraging but not forcing. I was never particularly social, I don’t regularly hang with a large group of friends, and don’t leave the house that much. Never went to parties during high school, stopped team Sports etc then too, I don’t enjoy large crowds on a regular basis or going to town with friends more than once a month or so. I never kissed a girl until I was 20 and didn’t have many female friends during high school.

Despite that at this point I still have substantially better game with women than the guys who are more social, and women constantly compliment me on my emotional oppenness, uniqueness in my conversing, honesty and confidence. I get with more girls and more attractive ones than most of my friends and people I know. The fact is that Elliott was either lying to himself or an idiot. It has nothing to do with socialization or skills. His actions show a lack of intent to communicate with women or interest in them as human beings either, he was more interested in hating them and committing violence than getting close to any.

The reality is that his upbringing wasn’t the issue, when a bad tinder profile and a few messages are all it takes for me to get sex as someone less attractive than Roger, then you know there are deeper issues.

I actually think that the data is clear that socialization goes a long way. For example it's well known that birth order shapes personality.

That said -- please don't be delusional and talk about your "game". I've seen your photos ... you're an extremely good-looking guy. You're easily in the top 10% of men in your age group and likely even in the top 5%, depending on your height. If you're 6 feet or taller then you're definitely in the top 5%. You have great hair, skin, build, features, you're white, etc. To the extent that you have game, it's performative. You don't actually need it, but perhaps you enjoy indulging in it, and it might bee giving you a comforting illusion of control. Women will openly scoff at cheesy pickup lines, but if it comes from a guy that they find attractive then they'll deal with it and still allow him to keep flirting.

Elliott Rodger was not on your level and could never be on your level. Whereas your looks are in the top 5-10% of your age group, his looks were roughly in the ~50th percentile. 20 minutes on Tinder would do nothing for him. He would have had to put in the effort and dealt with a lot of failure, which is fine for most men, but in his case he was a crybaby and felt entitled to getting Stacy's without effort.

Finally, as for the forum of going to sh*t, the moderators here have made the mistake of banning @WhitePolarBear and @Rudiger.

 

[rclark]

Whatever, Rodger had a lot of options even as a 5'9 mixed race skinny boy. He did not explore them because he was an entitled brat. There are a lot of mixed race kids out there, it's fine.

That said, there is a difference between justification and explanation. There's no justification for what he did, but I agree that the explanation includes a rotten social environment as well as bad parents.

It was because he was losing his hair.

I don't understand why people can't see this. It was the depression from baldness.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It's ridiculous how easy it is to outwit and outclass your looksmatched competition. Of course it's frustrating to see how that - at least for Tinder girls - in most cases won't help you against better looking competition/if you don't meet the looks-threshold, but c'est la vie.

A match on tinder doesn't mean anything, as people swipe extremely casually.

I open with "Hey Susan, how are you?"

If she responds, then I start writing to her more. If she doesn't, I don't make the time investment, as it means that she made a mistake swiping on me.

Really elaborate opening lines, which I sometimes receive myself on Bumble, are cringeworthy. It's artificial and comes off as trying too hard.

 

[cantara]

A match on tinder doesn't mean anything, as people swipe extremely casually.

I open with "Hey Susan, how are you?"

If she responds, then I start writing to her more. If she doesn't, I don't make the time investment, as it means that she made a mistake swiping on me.

Really elaborate opening lines, which I sometimes receive myself on Bumble, are cringeworthy. It's artificial and comes off as trying too hard.

I fully agree. For an opener, I never try to be particularly witty or original, if she finds you attractive (enough) instead of just having swiped right on you too casually, a simple "How are you?" will do. However, after that it is quite easy to distinguish yourself from (looksmatched) simpletons without making an actual effort. When it comes to sharing interesting view and good discussions, I'm also referring to real life. It may be hard demonstrate physical attractiveness to girls, but being more than welcome company to a lot of women (including classy and pretty ones) I've found to be quite easy.
I would also agree with you that JeanLuc is probably really goodlooking. I am (taking into account my baldness) average (&white&well-groomed) and Tinder/creating physical attraction is very challenging for me.

 

[Norwood]

Sheeeeet. The terminology that this guy used is lifted straight from these pages.
Now the Daily Mail has pick up on it.

And you can bet society will view every male loner just a little bit more suspiciously now.

Is bald terrorism going to become a thing now?

 

[kj6723]

It's super bizarre hearing incelism discussed in the mainstream since this incident went down. Turned on whyy radio in the car and they were interviewing a "former member of the incel community"

 

[IdealForehead]

Went over to see what lookism was saying about this and found this fascinating tidbit. Feminist openly admitting that inceldom is a natural consequence of feminism:

Reporter: "Someone comments... They say they believe feminism caused the incel phenomenon and are just asking what do you think about that?"

Judith: "Right. So... Yes... I I'll say yes thats true, and here's why: it turns out if you tell people that they have the freedom to fall in love with or engage with physically with whomever they want and they don't have to fall in love and engage physically with anyone they don't want, and they're gonna do that, and that means they don't have arranged marriages, and that means people can't get assigned to be marital partners or to be assigned to be sexual partners. So yes i a way, feminism, feminism has opened up these social possibilities. And it means we have to use our character, our personalities to make intimacy unions. That is true."

At: 23:35

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It's important to realize in general that when you given privileges to one class of society another class will be disadvantaged in the process. Everyone can't win together. That doesn't mean women having rights is the wrong thing. It just means you have to acknowledge that incels are an inevitable consequence of how we've designed out current society to work.