Incel Murder - Elliot Rodgers Effect Strikes Again

[IdealForehead]

Good post.

The thing is that, it really amplified the Pareto distribution 80/20. 20% of men acquiring 80% of women. You then got cucks marrying women once her youth is squandered and Chad's stop coming.

I don't think these guys need to be as dark. E.R. Could get girls if not for being a psycho. The media loves to permeate the MSG of 'toxic masculinity' rather than pointing to its cause. What percentage of the men are in single mom house holds with absent fathers? It does not dispute a psychos actions but, these questions need asking without the cry of 'misogyny' which IS NOT A ARGUMENT!

There's a theme and it goes something like this. Run through Chads when young and hot. When she gets the baby rabies, it's now about suckering in some cuck/beta.

Let's be serious now. What is the promotion of anti sl*t and anti fat shaming? It's mitigation of declining sexual market value. Tinder bios reek of 'proud single mom' as though this is a good thing. Divorce is above 50%. Don't get me started on stats based upon gender. And yet, cucks continue to March to their doom like lambs to the slaughter regardless of her extensive sexual experience. Betas and cucks are marrying women who in their youth would never give the time a day. Men are raising Chad's baby.

There's no doubt a issue with masculinity and a great portion of men. I cannot dispute it. I am saying, the single mom welfare state is a huge problem as is the case for men marrying women after her reign of terror is over. Divorce isn't due to infidelity or abuse. It's due to female entitlement. Men are disposable and women are special snowflakes.


IMHO, I think it is a good idea to date on the younger side of twenty. If a man is going to marry, it's women who were committed during her best years. Not only baby rabies. Not because Chads aren't calling anymore.

I am 30. I started seeing a girl on the early side of twenty. I recently stoped seeing another girl. I am pursuing more quite actively. I am noticing women even on the later side of 20 still in their party phase. Still chasing Chads. I foresee a crash coming. A huge spike in mental health.

It's sad because if your eyes are open, you see a mess, and if male, you are supposed to go along blind. I don't give a f*** what society pushes. The girl who pisses away her youth is not getting the ring. I am not raising some other man's baby. I won't allocate resources to a girl who has a history STDs and abortions. I could give a f*** at any attempt to be shamed into following the beaten path or being a cucks. I know my true North. There's too many get out of jail free cards. Women can always fallback to betas and cucks. If all else fails, she can resort to welfare. I saw a podcast which pretty much depicts the welfare state accounts for the single mom population. So, our resources are being allocated. There is no way to combat this without being attacked, shamed, fired etc.

Personally, I pursue young. I combat the following by not dating single moms. I spam approach. I pursue. But I have to say, it's pretty easy to f*** up. Despite the abundance in dating sites and apps, the complexity is cascading. It's not stream lined nor any easier. Opportunities are in abundance pending your status on the dominance hierarchy.

Obviously, play the best hand you can with the cards you are dealt.

Yeah, the only problem with what you are saying is most guys don't have a choice like you're describing. Statistically speaking, there aren't enough girls in their early 20s for all of us to date one. They tend to be in the highest demand. So factually they are not in "abundance". These girls will always be in short supply. Guys don't usually end up dating single moms etc because they want to. They do it because they're lonely and have to choose on a practical level between doing that and being alone, neither of which is great to live with.

Personally, I'd rather keep augmenting myself, be alone, or pay hookers/SBs than get a fat old single mom. But everyone has to try to take their best compromise in this climate.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Wow! That's a lot of grafts total. I don't blame you for the nerves. Keep in mind you have some good things on your side - you are young, have a healthy lifestyle, have researched a good surgeon you can trust, healed well last time, and are stable on good meds. All that should be predictive of success. Hopefully this should be your last procedure and then you are done for good.

If you want to try to push for a higher chance of graft success, you could always consider cranking up your finasteride dose temporarily for the 3-6 months post op or switching to dutasteride temorarily. A bit more scalp DHT suppression could give the follicles a bit healthier of an environment to grow in.

Scalp response to higher dose of finasteride is given by:

"Scalp skin DHT levels declined significantly by 13.0% with placebo and by 14.9%, 61.6%, 56. 5%, 64.1%, and 69.4% with 0.01, 0.05, 0.2, 1, and 5 mg doses of finasteride, respectively"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10495374/

Therefore if you went from 0.25 mg to 5 mg finasteride per day that would represent going from ~56.5% to 69% scalp DHT suppression. Dutasteride would crank it up higher. Either approach could offer significant benefits.

I've been taking 5 mg finasteride a day for a month as I can't apply my topicals as frequently and 1.25 mg per day wasn't enough for me a few years ago. It's been tolerable. Dick still works fine. I still think people overhype the risk of these meds. I wouldn't want to do this forever, but personally, I'd rather even be temporarily neutered and get good healing and results than be too "loose" about it and get a bad outcome. Zero shock loss or shedding for me despite a massive scalp procedure. I'm sure the aggressive treatment plays a role.

Thanks for the surgeon recommendation. I met Rahal before my surgery to discuss a potential scar camouflage procedure down the road, and I really didn't get a good feel for the guy. I honestly didn't get the sense he gave a sh*t, and he was trying to get me to do as many grafts as possible to maximize his income.

How do you plan to care for the donor/recipient sites after surgery? I have researched scarring/healing extensively and one I thing I think may be very important from everything I've read to minimize scarring is keeping the area moist. The best proven agent for this seems to be Aquaphor, which is superior to antibiotic ointments for healing. Here is a study showing Aquaphor leads to better healing than Polysporin or Neosporin.

My surgeon suggested although he uses Polysporin or another antibiotic ointment for the first 1-3 days with any surgery, after that he would recommend switching to Aquaphor for any incisions in general and the study seems to back this. It's due to the idea that antibiotic ointments can actually be directly irritating to healing skin from the antibiotics. Moist environments prevent scabbing/crusting which interfere with natural healing. He doesn't do transplants specifically though.

I'm not sure what protocol they suggest for transplants. I've seen differing opinions. Here I see recommendations for aquaphor again to minimize crusting/scarring. I imagine caring for the grafts in the first few days is one of the hardest things to do, since you need to keep them from crusting but also don't want to damage them, and there doesn't seem to be a perfect consensus on how to do that.

I have considered the boost in fina dose, but am likely to wait until the point where I feel like I’m losing ground, which after 18 months still isn’t the case. Too much uncertainty around cutting back subsequently and I enjoy the low dose for now.

I’m not sure what antibiotic ointment was used but previously it was only for a single day and only in the donor, Acell + PRP for healing purposes in both areas also, and an ATP spray for 24 hours after in the recipient. Also a mouse for softening and removing crusting quickly used for about 10 days. After the previous surgery I had very few issues with healing, the donor was virtually immaculate after 5 days likely aided by a small punch size and my age, never had significant crusting remain after a few days.

The biggest issue for me is plane flights and airports postop, despite it being plainly visible people are hardly careful of the area or bumping into you.

 

[IdealForehead]

I have considered the boost in fina dose, but am likely to wait until the point where I feel like I’m losing ground, which after 18 months still isn’t the case. Too much uncertainty around cutting back subsequently and I enjoy the low dose for now.

I’m not sure what antibiotic ointment was used but previously it was only for a single day and only in the donor, Acell + PRP for healing purposes in both areas also, and an ATP spray for 24 hours after in the recipient. Also a mouse for softening and removing crusting quickly used for about 10 days. After the previous surgery I had very few issues with healing, the donor was virtually immaculate after 5 days likely aided by a small punch size and my age, never had significant crusting remain after a few days.

The biggest issue for me is plane flights and airports postop, despite it being plainly visible people are hardly careful of the area or bumping into you.

How does "Acell + PRP" work? By PRP you mean platelet-rich plasma right? Is it sprayed on or what? By the clinic daily or by you at home?

When is your surgery date? Good luck.

 

[JeanLucBB]

How does "Acell + PRP" work? By PRP you mean platelet-rich plasma right? Is it sprayed on or what? By the clinic daily or by you at home?

When is your surgery date? Good luck.

Yes injected right after the surgery into the donor and recipient mainly for healing purposes, mild evidence it may aid growth in some way also, I don’t think koray is convinced of that though. Surgery is tomorrow.

 

[meetjoeblack]

Yeah, the only problem with what you are saying is most guys don't have a choice like you're describing. Statistically speaking, there aren't enough girls in their early 20s for all of us to date one. They tend to be in the highest demand. So factually they are not in "abundance". These girls will always be in short supply. Guys don't usually end up dating single moms etc because they want to. They do it because they're lonely and have to choose on a practical level between doing that and being alone, neither of which is great to live with.

Personally, I'd rather keep augmenting myself, be alone, or pay hookers/SBs than get a fat old single mom. But everyone has to try to take their best compromise in this climate.

Preference is @ 20 early side. Match hookup with 25-30. One more on the early side. She's a outlier in contrast to my experience atm.

A buddy of mine is a model. Fucks everything. Women married throw themselves at him, engaged, ltr. It don't matter. It's dark. Seeing reality for as it is.

I once asked him about marriage, a family, children? He pointed out one girl 18, another 19, 20,21. He says, 'and tomorrow, new girls are turning 18. And you know what? I want them all!'

I suspect that he's a sociopath but he is correct.

Hookup culture favors men. Especially guys Chad's like him. Fertility and declining SMV favors men.

Even at 30, I am not thrilled by women late 20s. They've pissed away their youth, likely had STDs, abortions, are on the decline, and babies are their salvation since their narcissism has failed her. The dopamine spikes of validation through social media has declined. Guys will want to f*****g but, Chad's are less interested. The call backs are not coming or as often.

Is it then interesting the divorce stat? Not abuse. Not infidelity but female discontent.

I approach nonstop. I swipe right. Unless a woman is committed in her best years, I am disinterested. I stopped seeing a girl recently. The date was a backslide. I ghost now. I lost her number. She can hit me up. I am out. Got drunk dialed by hotter younger girl last night.

This life is superficial, ruthless, and cold. Become icy. Aloof. Indifference.

I heard it said best, get better. Not bitter.

Next set my Friend.

 

[IdealForehead]

Preference is @ 20 early side. Match hookup with 25-30. One more on the early side. She's a outlier in contrast to my experience atm.

A buddy of mine is a model. Fucks everything. Women married throw themselves at him, engaged, ltr. It don't matter. It's dark. Seeing reality for as it is.

I once asked him about marriage, a family, children? He pointed out one girl 18, another 19, 20,21. He says, 'and tomorrow, new girls are turning 18. And you know what? I want them all!'

I suspect that he's a sociopath but he is correct.

Hookup culture favors men. Especially guys Chad's like him. Fertility and declining SMV favors men.

Even at 30, I am not thrilled by women late 20s. They've pissed away their youth, likely had STDs, abortions, are on the decline, and babies are their salvation since their narcissism has failed her. The dopamine spikes of validation through social media has declined. Guys will want to f*****g but, Chad's are less interested. The call backs are not coming or as often.

Is it then interesting the divorce stat? Not abuse. Not infidelity but female discontent.

I approach nonstop. I swipe right. Unless a woman is committed in her best years, I am disinterested. I stopped seeing a girl recently. The date was a backslide. I ghost now. I lost her number. She can hit me up. I am out. Got drunk dialed by hotter younger girl last night.

This life is superficial, ruthless, and cold. Become icy. Aloof. Indifference.

I heard it said best, get better. Not bitter.

Next set my Friend.

I've done a lot of cold approach but I think you must be far, far better looking than me to have the perspective you do. What's your height/race/facial rating? If you only swipe right on thin girls, what match rate will you get? ie. /100?

I did mostly bars/clubs in my mid 20s. In my experience it was almost impossible to get even the most basic level of engagement from girls in those environments. If I hit on 10-20 a night (10 sets of 2) I might get one set that was truly engaged or interested. Which is still something but it was a lot of work and quite exhausting.

I found malls/streets just as bad though I didn't do as much because it's hard to find enough girls in one place to do that and get anywhere without wasting the whole day or risking getting treated like a sex offender for "harassing women".

My Tinder match rate on slim girls is <1% (or at least was, pre-op - haven't yet tested my post-op face). Again, this is not sustainable.

Of course you can live on god mode if you're a male model. But by definition most of us can never be that or anything close to it.

 

[meetjoeblack]

I've done a lot of cold approach but I think you must be far, far better looking than me to have the perspective you do. What's your height/race/facial rating? If you only swipe right on thin girls, what match rate will you get? ie. /100?

I did mostly bars/clubs in my mid 20s. In my experience it was almost impossible to get even the most basic level of engagement from girls in those environments. If I hit on 10-20 a night (10 sets of 2) I might get one set that was truly engaged or interested. Which is still something but it was a lot of work and quite exhausting.

I found malls/streets just as bad though I didn't do as much because it's hard to find enough girls in one place to do that and get anywhere without wasting the whole day or risking getting treated like a sex offender for "harassing women".

My Tinder match rate on slim girls is <1% (or at least was, pre-op - haven't yet tested my post-op face). Again, this is not sustainable.

Of course you can live on god mode if you're a male model. But by definition most of us can never be that or anything close to it.

I was a miscer. Got banned.

Dad/sis I buried. Accident. Cars. Unnecessary. I watched my father's eyes go grey. His soul left his body. I can feel tears in my eyes as I write this.

The thing is, women don't care. I've seen darkness. I've gone to the next place. Tripping, psychedelics, dmt or even just my own pain.

I know that dark place Elliot Rogers found. The difference is that I integrated my shadow. Read Carl Jung. Learn about Jungian psychology.

I have buried do much family and friends. I have been pissed with god. I held anger in my heart and resentment. The thing is, I was being a punk.

I had a sister. I had a father. I am lucky. I would trade places if I could. They lived harder than I ever could.

So, how do I transcend my life? How do I overcome my fear and suffering?

I will travel. I will start a business. I am seeking self knowledge, exploring consciousness, and doing like Elliott Hulse. Be that strongest version of myself.

I will give my gifts. I will love harder. I will approach more. I will be stronger mind/body/soul!

It's not even about the women anymore. The drive to find a wife, mother of my future children trumps all rejection or ghosting. If I fail, I lived at my edge. I went out on my shield.

I wish the same for you my friend.

 

[IdealForehead]

I was a miscer. Got banned.

Dad/sis I buried. Accident. Cars. Unnecessary. I watched my father's eyes go grey. His soul left his body. I can feel tears in my eyes as I write this.

The thing is, women don't care. I've seen darkness. I've gone to the next place. Tripping, psychedelics, dmt or even just my own pain.

I know that dark place Elliot Rogers found. The difference is that I integrated my shadow. Read Carl Jung. Learn about Jungian psychology.

I have buried do much family and friends. I have been pissed with god. I held anger in my heart and resentment. The thing is, I was being a punk.

I had a sister. I had a father. I am lucky. I would trade places if I could. They lived harder than I ever could.

So, how do I transcend my life? How do I overcome my fear and suffering?

I will travel. I will start a business. I am seeking self knowledge, exploring consciousness, and doing like Elliott Hulse. Be that strongest version of myself.

I will give my gifts. I will love harder. I will approach more. I will be stronger mind/body/soul!

It's not even about the women anymore. The drive to find a wife, mother of my future children trumps all rejection or ghosting. If I fail, I lived at my edge. I went out on my shield.

I wish the same for you my friend.

Well I'm sorry you went through some difficult things like that. I wouldn't like to see my family die either. My mom is in her late 60s and starting already to lose her memory - that alone is no fun to watch.

But you didn't really answer anything I asked.

ie. Height/race/facial rating, /100 match rate on Tinder with slim chicks, and typical cold approach environment and response?

 

[meetjoeblack]

Well I'm sorry you went through some difficult things like that. I wouldn't like to see my family die either. My mom is in her late 60s and starting already to lose her memory - that alone is no fun to watch.

But you didn't really answer anything I asked.

ie. Height/race/facial rating, /100 match rate on Tinder with slim chicks, and typical cold approach environment and response?

I dunno. I am practicing zen and presence. Letting go of attachment, of ego, even hair (which was difficult as I am finally accepting it as a reality). I took Accutane over five years ago. I had cystic acne as a adult. It is huge and its inflamed. It can crater. My skin is bad.

It was a pain body for me. I cringed at that 'people think I eat too many chocolate bars and don't wash my face.' it felt like people were laughing at me.

The first girl who ever touched it laughed in my face. She was a huge sl*t but, I measured and felt shame. A girl miscer thought I was joking so I shared pic. She laughed at me and had me banned

I have suffered a lot. Like, if a girl stops calling after sex, ghosts, it's a complex I battle. Like, a girl sucked my dick, then, I saw her with another guy on social media kissing her. Like I don't get how she could swallow me then do that. I didn't even talk to her. I just approached more girls.

I've seen darkness. Light will always prevail. Be that light. Guide yourself. Eat healthy. Pray. Meditate. Love yourself as Lane as it sounds. Approach from that place of origin. It definitely helps me in pickup

 

[JeanLucBB]

I dunno. I am practicing zen and presence. Letting go of attachment, of ego, even hair (which was difficult as I am finally accepting it as a reality). I took Accutane over five years ago. I had cystic acne as a adult. It is huge and its inflamed. It can crater. My skin is bad.

It was a pain body for me. I cringed at that 'people think I eat too many chocolate bars and don't wash my face.' it felt like people were laughing at me.

The first girl who ever touched it laughed in my face. She was a huge sl*t but, I measured and felt shame. A girl miscer thought I was joking so I shared pic. She laughed at me and had me banned

I have suffered a lot. Like, if a girl stops calling after sex, ghosts, it's a complex I battle. Like, a girl sucked my dick, then, I saw her with another guy on social media kissing her. Like I don't get how she could swallow me then do that. I didn't even talk to her. I just approached more girls.

I've seen darkness. Light will always prevail. Be that light. Guide yourself. Eat healthy. Pray. Meditate. Love yourself as Lane as it sounds. Approach from that place of origin. It definitely helps me in pickup

You’re a strange dude

 

[IdealForehead]

I dunno. I am practicing zen and presence. Letting go of attachment, of ego, even hair (which was difficult as I am finally accepting it as a reality). I took Accutane over five years ago. I had cystic acne as a adult. It is huge and its inflamed. It can crater. My skin is bad.

It was a pain body for me. I cringed at that 'people think I eat too many chocolate bars and don't wash my face.' it felt like people were laughing at me.

The first girl who ever touched it laughed in my face. She was a huge sl*t but, I measured and felt shame. A girl miscer thought I was joking so I shared pic. She laughed at me and had me banned

I have suffered a lot. Like, if a girl stops calling after sex, ghosts, it's a complex I battle. Like, a girl sucked my dick, then, I saw her with another guy on social media kissing her. Like I don't get how she could swallow me then do that. I didn't even talk to her. I just approached more girls.

I've seen darkness. Light will always prevail. Be that light. Guide yourself. Eat healthy. Pray. Meditate. Love yourself as Lane as it sounds. Approach from that place of origin. It definitely helps me in pickup

Come on man. That's fine if you just don't want to say. Just say so. Everyone's entitled to keep things to themselves. But everyone knows how tall they are, what race they are, and whether they are average or above/below average facially.

And anyone whose swiped a few hundred on Tinder will also know their approximate match %.

And anyone whose done enough cold approach will know what percent of girls are generally receptive or not.

"Zen" has nothing to do with these basic things.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Yes injected right after the surgery into the donor and recipient mainly for healing purposes, mild evidence it may aid growth in some way also, I don’t think koray is convinced of that though. Surgery is tomorrow.

Good luck with the surgery man!
(is it with or for?)

 

[blackg]

I don't trust CDC obesity rate. What they did was basically change the definition of obesity, so people who would not be classified as obese are now called obese. AFAIR, the average weight gain per person compared to 70s has been between 10--15 pounds, which isnt much. And part of it accounted for by the higher average age (people are living longer), and changes in racial composition (hispanics, blacks tend to have higher weight).

Never let the truth get in the way of hyperbole.
Hyperbole is more interesting than the truth

 

[blackg]

When non-fat women see a man who is not in the top 20%

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She's my type, and she's Australian.

 

[barfacan]

Come on man. That's fine if you just don't want to say. Just say so. Everyone's entitled to keep things to themselves. But everyone knows how tall they are, what race they are, and whether they are average or above/below average facially.

And anyone whose swiped a few hundred on Tinder will also know their approximate match %.

And anyone whose done enough cold approach will know what percent of girls are generally receptive or not.

"Zen" has nothing to do with these basic things.

You've been hella trolled.

Wonder if this guy is him

 

[CaptainForehead]

She's my type, and she's Australian.

What a body. And that smile.

 

[blackg]

The first girl who ever touched it laughed in my face. She was a huge sl*t but, I measured and felt shame.

This girl doesn't sound like a "sl*t" to me as they don't really exist.
A girl, or more precisely a woman, should be allowed to exercise her sexual free will without angry bitter men labeling them.

Don't get bitter, get some action instead.

blackg approved

 

[blackg]

You’re a strange dude

Why is his strange, micro daddy?
I've told you before, you need to broaden your horizons a little (there's that word again).

Open your mind a bit once you get back from Turkey and maybe even try some of this "zen" business.

It may help.

 

[meetjoeblack]

You’re a strange dude

That's what she said

 

[meetjoeblack]

Come on man. That's fine if you just don't want to say. Just say so. Everyone's entitled to keep things to themselves. But everyone knows how tall they are, what race they are, and whether they are average or above/below average facially.

And anyone whose swiped a few hundred on Tinder will also know their approximate match %.

And anyone whose done enough cold approach will know what percent of girls are generally receptive or not.

"Zen" has nothing to do with these basic things.

I am unattached to the results. To female entitlement. Whether or not a date takes. Like I went out the other night with a girl. The vibe was different. I see no future what so ever. I no longer have her number. She can text or call me. I am going to approach more.

IMHO not great. I have shared briefly with you about the shitty experience. And yet what is the alternative? Become a mgtow? Give up?

Every solution can be summed up with approaching the next set.