Is hairloss really that common?

[2bald2young]

I only heard that around 30% of men have some type of hairloss before they are 30 and I heard of cases that people lose their hair when they were also 16 so very young but still I never saw a 16 year old balding like me and I never see a young balding guy outside, well only one time but Looking at the way he walked, looked and behaved he did looked very depressed. So I came to the conclusion that where I come from there are almost no young bald guys.But the question is if balding young is really that common?

 

[SayifDoit]

Well damn it seems pretty common where I come from.
I must know at-least a dozen guys who are balding/receding and most of them have only just turned 20 or are 19.
I feel like it's extremely common in England.

To be honest a lot of them are worse of than me.

 

[resu]

Not in my country, men only start balding in their late 20's and it's minimal recession usually at the front.

 

[Muzzle]

I never believe that hair loss is that common (doesnt matter if you are old or young, its %100 genetics).

a Turkish actor from 1970's. Today, he is 76 years old, and look at his sons. I really hate this guy.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

in my country that's quite an uncommon phenomenon , that's obviously linked to the genes (asians , native americans , african people are the less affected by hairloss) , everyone knows that already , I am sure that lifestyle and eating habits have something to do with that , you can't rule it out from the equation.

as I said , that's very rare in my country , and almost non-existent before 30 , I can hardly see any guy exceeding NW2 in his 20. and when I say NW2 that's the worst scenario case.

whatever the race , in my country there are blacks , white-crossbred , arabs , you'll rarely see one exceeding NW3 before its 50s.

 

[xRedStaRx]

Balding is probably a neanderthal variant. That's why Euro mediterraneans' almost always bald, and early too.

Living in North Africa myself, almost every male above 20 has already started balding, if not completely bald. I'll be a Norwood 2 myself in a year or so (holding on to nw1.5), even with finasteride.

 

[Ventures]

I've noticed a lot of people on this forum are from northern countries (ireland, norway, sweeden, even germany, denmark or so ). It seems these people have inherited very sensitive receptors, given that their lab tests usually show they have normal DHT levels, and they don't even have body hair or other typical signs of elevated androgen levels.

That certainly shows that some nations and phenotypes (ginger and blonde hair - In the same time I admit male pattern baldness genes are not directly linked to hair color or texture) are more prone to the onset of male pattern baldness regarding their genetic pool. Many people here with aggressive Androgenetic Alopecia have blonde hair, like FredTheBelgian and other members.

Maybe those nations are genetically more linked to Neanderthal genotype, as xredstar already said, that would explain why there is a greater prevalence of baldness in Caucasian population especially the one living in northern Europe. I've been in England, and was surprised how much there were young balding guys on the street (between ages 20 to 30) with receded hairline or thinning hair on front or crown. And I haven't noticed hair loss issue looking at guys which obviously had origins from India, Afghanistan, or middle east .

Is there any evaluational reason and factor why Neanderthals developed balding genes. Maybe certain effects of environment, like lack of sun exposure can also have some link to it ?

 

[Muzzle]

I dont think hair loss is related to racial factors. I've seen a lot of men from Asia,Europe and Middle East that are completely bald or lost significant amount of hair.

I think hair loss is completely random, like cancer. But it may seem common in some countries due to stress factor. Stress triggers hair loss if you are prone to lose hair

 

[xRedStaRx]

I've noticed a lot of people on this forum are from northern countries (ireland, norway, sweeden, even germany, denmark or so ). It seems these people have inherited very sensitive receptors, given that their lab tests usually show they have normal DHT levels, and they don't even have body hair or other typical signs of elevated androgen levels.

That certainly shows that some nations and phenotypes (ginger and blonde hair - In the same time I admit male pattern baldness genes are not directly linked to hair color or texture) are more prone to the onset of male pattern baldness regarding their genetic pool. Many people here with aggressive Androgenetic Alopecia have blonde hair, like FredTheBelgian and other members.

Maybe those nations are genetically more linked to Neanderthal genotype, as xredstar already said, that would explain why there is a greater prevalence of baldness in Caucasian population especially the one living in northern Europe. I've been in England, and was surprised how much there were young balding guys on the street (between ages 20 to 30) with receded hairline or thinning hair on front or crown. And I haven't noticed hair loss issue looking at guys which obviously had origins from India, Afghanistan, or middle east .

Is there any evaluational reason and factor why Neanderthals developed balding genes. Maybe certain effects of environment, like lack of sun exposure can also have some link to it ?

It's not obvious why exactly they do. It may have to do with the amount of neanderthal DNA that you have, it should range from <1% to 2-3%, caucasians are on the higher end of the range, and are most prone to male pattern baldness.

It might be that neanderthals had high amounts of DHT and were more sexually dimorphic than the pure homosapien. And interbreeding caused this dominant gene variant to be passed on. African blacks are the purest forms of homosapiens as a lot of them have 0% neanderthal DNA, and they never bald in patterns. Same goes for Indians and American Indians. Which leads me to believe that it originated either in Persia/Arabia, or Europe. The Greeks and Romans have had balding problems in ancient history too, so it definitely traces back to Europe. We need to look back at which civilizations suffered from balding the most, and pinpoint their racial phenotype.

I dont think hair loss is related to racial factors. I've seen a lot of men from Asia,Europe and Middle East that are completely bald or lost significant amount of hair.

I think hair loss is completely random, like cancer. But it may seem common in some countries due to stress factor. Stress triggers hair loss if you are prone to lose hair

Asians rarely balded only a century ago, globalization and inter-breeding might have been a factor, as well as diet too. Androgenetic Alopecia is not completely random, it's strictly genetic and passed on.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

It's not obvious why exactly they do. It may have to do with the amount of neanderthal DNA that you have, it should range from <1% to 2-3%, caucasians are on the higher end of the range, and are most prone to male pattern baldness.

It might be that neanderthals had high amounts of DHT and were more sexually dimorphic than the pure homosapien. And interbreeding caused this dominant gene variant to be passed on. African blacks are the purest forms of homosapiens as a lot of them have 0% neanderthal DNA, and they never bald in patterns. Same goes for Indians and American Indians. Which leads me to believe that it originated either in Persia/Arabia, or Europe. The Greeks and Romans have had balding problems in ancient history too, so it definitely traces back to Europe. We need to look back at which civilizations suffered from balding the most, and pinpoint their racial phenotype.



Asians rarely balded only a century ago, globalization and inter-breeding might have been a factor, as well as diet too. Androgenetic Alopecia is not completely random, it's strictly genetic and passed on.

what about purebred asians living à l'occidentale ? mostly about alimentation and junk-food.

milk and dairy isn't omnipresent in african / asian society.

damn .... a lot of african people are even starving to death ... yet they keep their hair.

I don't know if there is a link , but according to this : http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazona...ploads/2012/11/Global-Lactose-Intolerance.png asian and native americans / black africans are the most affected by lactose intolerance.

 

[idunnolol]

Well, since there's a clear correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness it might prove useful to take a look at this map:

Anway, there's that and then there's people like the former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt who seems to have preserved most of his hair well into his mid 90s

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

Well, since there's a clear correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness it might prove useful to take a look at this map:

Anway, there's that and then there's people like the former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt who seems to have preserved most of his hair well into his mid 90s

with all due respect , that is bollocks .... my country is in the black area and I can affirm you that baldness isn't as common as 70% .... hell it doesn't even exceed 50% , I live in the capital , so I've seen a lot of guys.

I wonder if that Damon guy isn't a quack.

 

[idunnolol]

Well it obviously doesn't say male pattern baldness on the map but you can't deny that, overall, hairiness DOES correlate with it.

 

[Vlatch]

I found this. It's in japanese but I think the images speak for themselves

 

[SayifDoit]

I'm pretty sure the baldness gene is extremely common in African Americans from what I can tell, I feel like it's ignored for the most part but I find it to be extremely common I see a person on film/or in person who is black and completely shaven bald.

 

[wrwr]

In Russia it's pretty common, especially for age 35+.
But younger balding guys like me are rare. Maybe 1 of 100-1000.

I was on vacation in Italy. I stongly agree with ~70%+ measurement from map above. Literally 2 of 3 men have very severe hairloss. But it feels like no one of them really cares. I even thought when i become NW6-7 and people start to insult me, i can move to Italy to meld with the crowd.

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yeah, black guys are lucky
baldness looks okay for most of them

 

[xRedStaRx]

what about purebred asians living à l'occidentale ? mostly about alimentation and junk-food.

milk and dairy isn't omnipresent in african / asian society.

damn .... a lot of african people are even starving to death ... yet they keep their hair.

I don't know if there is a link , but according to this : http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazona...ploads/2012/11/Global-Lactose-Intolerance.png asian and native americans / black africans are the most affected by lactose intolerance.

Lactose intolerance, grains, processed food, I believe all of that has led to male pattern baldness in populations that were relatively unadapted to such diets.

On the other hand, Euro-meds and caucasians in general have a high odd of balding, probably due to the neanderthal theory I mentioned earlier.

Starving Africans keep their hair, because they don't suffer from inflammation, they barely even eat. Plus blacks are the purest phenotype in humans. I don't think we were meant to bald like animals.

Well, since there's a clear correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness it might prove useful to take a look at this map:

Anyway, there's that and then there's people like the former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt who seems to have preserved most of his hair well into his mid 90s

There isn't a big correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness. It just happens that caucasians have the most body hair, and the male pattern baldness gene as well. It does not mean they have the highest DHT levels, only that they are most susceptible to body hair and balding. Arabs/Turks have amazing hair and dense body hair, Asians sometimes bald with almost no facial hair nor body hair. Local 5-AR activity on the scalp has nothing to do with the body hair distribution, nor their respective sensitivities AFAIA.

with all due respect , that is bollocks .... my country is in the black area and I can affirm you that baldness isn't as common as 70% .... hell it doesn't even exceed 50% , I live in the capital , so I've seen a lot of guys.

I wonder if that Damon guy isn't a quack.

My country is in the black area as well, I live in NA. I've been to Europe too, including Spain. It is definitely true. I always say that Euro-Med males almost always bald, you'd be lucky to keep a Norwood 2 past 30.

I'm pretty sure the baldness gene is extremely common in African Americans from what I can tell, I feel like it's ignored for the most part but I find it to be extremely common I see a person on film/or in person who is black and completely shaven bald.

African Americans have more balding rates than pure Africans, it might be related to either western diet, or inter-breeding with balding variants. It probably affects blacks the most because they also have the highest free androgen index, and most susceptible to metabolic syndrome, obesity, prostate problems, diabetes, and heart disease. So inheriting the balding genes deals a big blow when it happens.

 

[Muzzle]

Well, since there's a clear correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness it might prove useful to take a look at this map:

Anway, there's that and then there's people like the former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt who seems to have preserved most of his hair well into his mid 90s

Alex Ferguson : Statistics are like mini skirts, they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts

Hair loss is common in everywhere in the world, noone can run away from this fact (It's not that common in percentage of course. I mean like, %20-%30 in a country)

 

[Ventures]

I believe aborigine race is the least prone to balding, I've never seen a bald aborigine men, or the balding one.

To develop body hair you must have vellus hair which under certain androgenic exposure, which is determined by genetic factor, turn into terminal visible stage. If you don't have velus follicles on some place on the body, or have very un-sensitive follicles then nothing can transform them to what we call body hair.

It would be interesting to measure 5ard activity in a scalp and skin(legs, arms, chest) of individuals belonging to different races (White - Caucasian, native african, afroamerican ), and distribution/density of vellus hair follicles - because as mentioned before, vellus follicles are necessary factor to have body hair.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

In Russia it's pretty common, especially for age 35+.
But younger balding guys like me are rare. Maybe 1 of 100-1000.

that's funny ... I usually associate the V shaped baldness to Slavic people (russians and ukrainians mostly) ,I don't know where I got that idea from.

dmitry bearvedev is a perfect example

My country is in the black area as well, I live in NA. I've been to Europe too, including Spain. It is definitely true. I always say that Euro-Med males almost always bald, you'd be lucky to keep a Norwood 2 past 30.

weird , I must have like 4-5 guys out of 70 receding in my class (people in their 20s) , seeing someone bald in his 20-30 is quite rare according to me , there should be more details on that map concerning the age and degree of hairloss.

because if for example it said that "over 70% people are losing their hair..... past their 50s and have a NW2 pattern" that would be like saying that "humans can live underwater ...... just for 1min"

there is a french stereotype on potuguese people: "all portuguese are hairy".