Is soy good or bad?
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bubka said:
Then how do you explain trans fat being in almost every food there is, yet FDA recommends we have zero grams per day? If that is your only argument, then you just lost all credibility with me. Why do you think donuts are still on the market? Or margerine? Or vegetable shortening? The second two should definitely be banned.
bubka
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you really are an idiot, sorry but seriously now, trans fats are in meat, do you want the FDA to ban animal products? There is a big difference between a substance that is "poison" then one that can make your fat, or unhealthy if you eat too much of it, eating all the aspartame will not effect your health negatively, eating 12 donuts a day will, (unless you exercises accordingly)collegechemistrystudent said:
come on man, are you really trying to argue here, what is the deal?
bubka,
do you want to argue with FDA? Just look on the nutrition label of the next candy bar you eat. It says the RDA for transfat is ZERO grams. Not 20g, like saturated fat. Not 300mg, like cholesterol. If you read further, you will find that FDA recommends you not eat any at all. But the scientists who make the RDA recommendations don't have the power to get around the food industry. The food industry kept FDA from making a ban on transfat, and forced them to make rules such half a gram rounds down and serving size is arbitrary, so many foods with transfat can say they have zero grams.
do you want to argue with FDA? Just look on the nutrition label of the next candy bar you eat. It says the RDA for transfat is ZERO grams. Not 20g, like saturated fat. Not 300mg, like cholesterol. If you read further, you will find that FDA recommends you not eat any at all. But the scientists who make the RDA recommendations don't have the power to get around the food industry. The food industry kept FDA from making a ban on transfat, and forced them to make rules such half a gram rounds down and serving size is arbitrary, so many foods with transfat can say they have zero grams.
The Gardener
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It's my understanding that meat does not contain transfats.
Meat contains fats, and it contains cholesterol, but transfats are a completely different animal. It is my understanding that transfats are, in effect, vegetable fats that have been "hydrogenated" to change their form and properties for practical uses in processed food.
As for aspertame, I did a college paper on it for an elective course back in the U, so I consider myself dangerously knowledgable, lol. Basically, aspertame is created by joining methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid. Aspertame is dangerous to people who are sensitive to phenylalanine, they can get very sick and may even die, but this is an extremely small group of people.
Beyond that, humans regularly intake more of these three component compounds in normal everyday diets than even a heavy aspartame consumer would intake in diet foods. The European Commission Scientific Committee on Food did an in depth study on aspartame, and the results showed an overwhelming consensus of scientists found no cause for alarm in the regular ingestion of aspartame.
Meat contains fats, and it contains cholesterol, but transfats are a completely different animal. It is my understanding that transfats are, in effect, vegetable fats that have been "hydrogenated" to change their form and properties for practical uses in processed food.
As for aspertame, I did a college paper on it for an elective course back in the U, so I consider myself dangerously knowledgable, lol. Basically, aspertame is created by joining methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid. Aspertame is dangerous to people who are sensitive to phenylalanine, they can get very sick and may even die, but this is an extremely small group of people.
Beyond that, humans regularly intake more of these three component compounds in normal everyday diets than even a heavy aspartame consumer would intake in diet foods. The European Commission Scientific Committee on Food did an in depth study on aspartame, and the results showed an overwhelming consensus of scientists found no cause for alarm in the regular ingestion of aspartame.
joseph49853
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Naturally occuring trans-fats are found in beaver tail, a trans analog of oleic acid. This is the same cis unsaturated fatty acid found in a good majority of olive oil and flax oil. Trans-fats are also found in the body fat and milk of cows and sheep. I'm sure there are more examples if you go digging.
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Definition of the trans fats that are considered unhealthy: One or more trans double bond(s) that are NON-conjugated.
So lets not talk about CLA.
So lets not talk about CLA.
badasshairday said:
Cis- is the opposite of trans-. Conjugated means two double bonds are separated by a single bond. trans means two single bonds are on different carbons are on opposite ends of a double bond, and cis means two single bonds are on different carbons are mirror reflected across a double bond. So conjugated fats can be cis or trans. But the unhealthy trans are the ones that are non conjugated, meaning the double bond is further away from other double bonds.
I don't know if CLA is a trans fat, but I did know CLA is not considered unhealthy, and never said otherwise. Thanks for posting that definition.
"Aspartame accounts for over 75 percent of the adverse reactions to food additives reported to the FDA. Many of these reactions are very serious including seizures and death.(1) A few of the 90 different documented symptoms listed in the report as being caused by aspartame include: Headaches/migraines, dizziness, seizures, nausea, numbness, muscle spasms, weight gain, rashes, depression, fatigue, irritability, tachycardia, insomnia, vision problems, hearing loss, heart palpitations, breathing difficulties, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, loss of taste, tinnitus, vertigo, memory loss, and joint pain.
According to researchers and physicians studying the adverse effects of aspartame, the following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting of aspartame
2) Brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, fibromyalgia, and diabetes.
Aspartame is made up of three chemicals: aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol. "
From the article http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/dangers.htm
Im sure there are countless other articles. Stevia is the way to go.
According to researchers and physicians studying the adverse effects of aspartame, the following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting of aspartame
2) Brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, fibromyalgia, and diabetes.Aspartame is made up of three chemicals: aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol. "
From the article http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/dangers.htm
Im sure there are countless other articles. Stevia is the way to go.
The methanol is not a problem. The problem is that artificial sweateners spike insulin. The sweatener does not make you fat, but your hunger does, and the high insulin levels cause other problems. There might be other reactions too.
It is so obvious the FDA does not have our interest. Margerine is still legal, and has no warnings. As long as there is less than 1/2 gram per serving of transfat, they can say 0 grams.
CLA is a safe transfat. The fact it is in beaf does not mean the other dransfats are not dangerous.
It is so obvious the FDA does not have our interest. Margerine is still legal, and has no warnings. As long as there is less than 1/2 gram per serving of transfat, they can say 0 grams.
CLA is a safe transfat. The fact it is in beaf does not mean the other dransfats are not dangerous.
HughJass
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CCS said:
The sugar alcohols don't cause that much of a problem in that department.
I'm surprise some people in here are saying aspartame is dandy. There is a NEMJ study suggesting it effects neurotransmitters at high doses, and they say wood alcohol is released during consumption which can causes headaches and migraines.
