is there a hope?

[Newbaldy84]

Is there a medication or combination of medications that will keep the hair same way untill you die?
I heard someone saying that using Ru and finasteride plus nizoral should inhibit most if not hormones in our scalps which would couse complete stop of hair loss. The problem with finasteride is that after 3-4-5 years it looses its effectivnes because it only works in one aspect. When Ru + finasteride blocks almost all the bad hormones that are making our hair fall out. So my guess is that if you just started balding and your hair loss is not like crazy aggresive but steady and you catch it early you can stop hailoss and enjoy almost same hair count till you old age. I am talking here about comination of treatments not just one thing. Like finasteride, RU, nizoral and maybe something more.
what's you take on this?


Another thing
let's say that you will say it's imposible even using RU finasteride and nizoral to keep same hair forever and because of male pattern baldness's progresivness it will catch up after 5-7-9 years even if HM won't pan out there probably will be new medications lotions and stuff to help stop hairloss so maybe it will be possible to keep same hair count forever bu adding new treatments after tha last ones have lost its effectivness.

 

[hairwegoagain]

Nope. Today's treatments will help you maintain and perhaps grow back some hair, but the fact is that you're going to lose hair over the long term. It's not a failure of the drugs, but your predisposition to male pattern baldness.

You can likely stay in a holding pattern (no pun) for a few years. Hopefully, better treatments will debut during that period.

 

[Newbaldy84]

damn that's what I thought. So with today medications you will still be loosing hair after certain amount fo years (even using RU?)

 

[Guest]

yeah but the hair you lose will be lost much slower most likely. if it would take you 5 years to progress one Norwood class without meds, it might take you 10-15 with meds. you're buying time.

i do slightly disagree with hairwegoagain. i think that someone who uses RU+ oral avodart could maintain their hair indefinitely. RU is supposedly a supreme androgen blocker.

i also think that there are a fair number of male pattern baldness sufferers who can keep their hair indefinitely with avodart alone.

 

[hairwegoagain]

damn that's what I thought. So with today medications you will still be loosing hair after certain amount fo years (even using RU?)

Correct.

 

[Newbaldy84]

i do slightly disagree with hairwegoagain. i think that someone who uses RU+ oral avodart could maintain their hair indefinitely. RU is supposedly a supreme androgen blocker.

That's what I though as well. Ru is supposted make you hair receptors like the ones that women have where there is no or almost no DHT OR T involven. So for those using finasteride or dutasteride plus Ru it could stop hair loss indefinetly.

 

[MPBWarrior]

so why isn't RU more popular? just because it's expensive???

 

[Newbaldy84]

maybe because of its mystery. We are not sure if it's safe, The stuff is expensive. There is to much X about RU.

 

[Guest]

so why isn't RU more popular? just because it's expensive???

yeah, it's expensive, you can only get it from one place in China, and you have to mix it yourself. you also have to take precautions so you don't ruin the batch. keeping the powder in a cold, dark area, etc.

but i really think that 0.5 mg Avodart per day + RU once or twice a day would stop hair loss in most people permanently. Avodart to take care of 98.5% of type II DHT and RU to take care of the other androgens.

 

[mike d.]

Can you fill me in on RU and what it does and where to find it?

 

[Nathaniel]

I just wonder why RU hasn't been commercialized yet. Something's going on.

 

[Guest]

I just wonder why RU hasn't been commercialized yet. Something's going on.

nothing's going on. it's unstable.

 

[CCS]

I think the rate at which you will loose hair is somewhat driven by your difference between current hair line and where you would have been without propecia, but some people respond a lot better. I don't know if there is a combo that can save everyone's hair, but I strongly suspect that with a strong combo, at least 50% of men who where headed to NW5 can stay at NW1 until 50. That might be overly optimistic since the front is so easily lost.

 

[CCS]

I just wonder why RU hasn't been commercialized yet. Something's going on.

nothing's going on. it's unstable.

Yeah, once they make a solution, it needs to be sold and used in a month.

 

[Guest]

College,

Aplunk thinks most men who get on Avodart at NW2 or before, won't progress past NW3. They won't lose the crown and back part of the top maybe ever, but they may very well lose ther temples and their hairline may recede an inch. An NW3 is easily transplantable with at least moderate density though back to at least an Norwood 1.5, though, so it's not a big deal. It's very common to see NW3s at age 50.

I wouldn't be pissed off if I was like an NW3 at 50, considering I was supposed to be NW5. I could just get a transplant then.

Can you tell us what the strong combo is that you think would keep someone at NW1 till 50 if they were destined for NW5? This pertains to me because I am Norwood 1.5 and my dad is NW5 at 50 without meds.

 

[CCS]

College,

Can you tell us what the strong combo is that you think would keep someone at NW1 till 50 if they were destined for NW5? This pertains to me because I am Norwood 1.5 and my dad is NW5 at 50 without meds.

My regimen, of course.


I started avodart at NW3, so I can't afford to go NW4. Not enough donor hair. I'm not confident avodart will keep me from hitting NW4. I'm walking on thin ice.


I'm also worried I might have the beginning of man boobs, though I do need to loose 5 pounds off my belly, which might fix that.

 

[CCS]

Can you fill me in on RU and what it does and where to find it?

that info is on my website, in my signature.

 

[Guest]

College,

Can you tell us what the strong combo is that you think would keep someone at NW1 till 50 if they were destined for NW5? This pertains to me because I am Norwood 1.5 and my dad is NW5 at 50 without meds.

My regimen, of course.


I started avodart at NW3, so I can't afford to go NW4. Not enough donor hair. I'm not confident avodart will keep me from hitting NW4. I'm walking on thin ice.


I'm also worried I might have the beginning of man boobs, though I do need to loose 5 pounds off my belly, which might fix that.

Yes I don't understand why you got so many grafts at such a young age with the finite supply. You may have great hair now but if you do go to NW4 at 50 then you will not have enough donor hair to get back past maybe NW2.5, right? That's fine if you are willing to not care about it at age 50, like most people don't. But if you will care as much then as you do now you may be in for a hard time.

This is all assuming of course that they don't develop new pills or topicals that stop baldness in its track. They are coming pretty close with dutasteride but still tey need a pill to go along with dutasteride that can take care of all androgens. Is that even possible? I think if they made a pill like that to be taken in conjunction with dutasteride then that would pretty much stop baldness in its tracks forever, assuming the person keeps taking the pills.

And we know that HM is on the horizon. It may not get here till 2020, but i think it will definitely be here by the time you're 50.

 

[CCS]

I'm worried about thinning in a NW4a pattern, and maybe a bit on top, before then. But I plan to lower my hair line a bit more. I'm half counting on HM and half just wanting to date now before I get more wrinkly. As it is, I can see many 18 year olds whose face skin is a lot smoother than mine.

And as for your question, no, it will not involve stopping all other androgens, at least not with a pill, unless it goes straight to the hair follicle. The problem is we have bad androgen receptors in our hair, and the hair produces twice as much DHT as it should. I think topical spironolactone, oral dutasteride, and oral/topical apple poly may be the key.

Super expensive RU may be the key. I still have not got it in the mail. I hope customs did not get it.

 

[tchehov]

This DHT really is toxic sh*t for hair.