Is there an absolute cure for baldness if you don't care???

[jimothy]

Sides.

Say for example you were willing to take female hormones (I swear on my life I wouldn't), things that increase the risk of death, give you gyno etc? I'm just wondering, as if even the most dangerous treatments don't provide success, will their ever be anything that can 100%?

 

[Apoc]

No we are all doomed and will die alone.


Are you even reading these forums about possible cures?

You have HM coming and Curis. Other than that a gene cure will probably arrive in about 20-30 years. Maybe sooner.

 

[jimothy]

Yes, and I think loads of things work for a lot of people. Just seems there is no 100% cure. In Britain, we don't get paid a great deal, but we are the fifth most expensive country in the world. So i'll never be able to afford £4,000 for HM or grafts without cutting back on everything in my life.

I just wonder why nothing (even that kills you) makes your hair all grow back.

 

[Felk]

oral spironolactone would be such a "treatment" (very dangerous but very effective)

 

[jimothy]

That gives me a bit of hope then, maybe they can develop using this knowledge something that doesn't have the sides.

I think there is someone on here who says they have 100mg of oral spironolactone a day. Obviously a brave man!

 

[HARM1]

Yes, and I think loads of things work for a lot of people. Just seems there is no 100% cure. In Britain, we don't get paid a great deal, but we are the fifth most expensive country in the world. So i'll never be able to afford £4,000 for HM or grafts without cutting back on everything in my life.

I just wonder why nothing (even that kills you) makes your hair all grow back.

Well not grow back, BUT i think that if you supresse your imune system you won't lose hair

 

[Apoc]

I just wonder why nothing (even that kills you) makes your hair all grow back.

Simple because these things happen because of your genetics. If it was a bacteria or virus then it would be easier. But using drugs to suppress your genetics it's always risky. Even the immune system is involved and that makes it so much harder since without it you'll die. Basicaly anything you do to make your hair grow again can endanger your health.

 

[Felk]

That gives me a bit of hope then, maybe they can develop using this knowledge something that doesn't have the sides.

Ever heard of topical spironolactone?

Hehehe. But seriously, in every case it should be the same sort of treatment, as spironolactone as an antiandrogen is effective topically. However, there are people who don't think it does anything, of course.

 

[htownballa]

Well castration will stop you from balding.

 

[CCS]

castration will stop healthy hairs from going bald, but some of the ones that only grow to 1 inch long will still die even after castration, i think.

suppressing your immune system will probably regrow your hair in 2 months, which is how long you will take to die.

female mice without immune systems can regrow hair from shiny bald scalp grafted on to them. organ transplant recipients use cyclosporine to reduce their immune systems attack on the organ, and they regrow more hair than anyone.

DHT just lables hairs to be attacked. The immune system does the dirty work. SODs and minoxidil help protect follicles and blood vessels from the immune system a bit, and some also stimulate growth. Drugs like finasteride and dutasteride stop testonsterone from turning into the much stronger DHT, but ALL androgens label the follicles 3% as much. That is why stopping 100% of DHT is not enough. And i heard that castration does not stop it all, because there are other glands that make testosterone.

If RU can be delivered into the skin right, it will block all androgens in the scalp. Do not eat the stuff.

any scam that wants to prove it can regrow hair will use female immunodeficient mice and no placebo and say "look, our drug regrew all the hair on the shiny bald scalp grafted on these mice."

 

[Bryan]

castration will stop healthy hairs from going bald, but some of the ones that only grow to 1 inch long will still die even after castration, i think.

Hamilton's conclusion was that castration stops the further progression of balding.

Bryan

 

[HARM1]

castration will stop healthy hairs from going bald, but some of the ones that only grow to 1 inch long will still die even after castration, i think.

suppressing your immune system will probably regrow your hair in 2 months, which is how long you will take to die.

female mice without immune systems can regrow hair from shiny bald scalp grafted on to them. organ transplant recipients use cyclosporine to reduce their immune systems attack on the organ, and they regrow more hair than anyone.

DHT just lables hairs to be attacked. The immune system does the dirty work. SODs and minoxidil help protect follicles and blood vessels from the immune system a bit, and some also stimulate growth. Drugs like finasteride and dutasteride stop testonsterone from turning into the much stronger DHT, but ALL androgens label the follicles 3% as much. That is why stopping 100% of DHT is not enough. And i heard that castration does not stop it all, because there are other glands that make testosterone.

If RU can be delivered into the skin right, it will block all androgens in the scalp. Do not eat the stuff.

any scam that wants to prove it can regrow hair will use female immunodeficient mice and no placebo and say "look, our drug regrew all the hair on the shiny bald scalp grafted on these mice."

Are you saying that if I took a bald part of a scalp, that's been bald for a while, and put it in a non imune system female mouse, the hair would grow back?
A COUPLE QUESTIONS:
1) FOLICLES DON'T DIE, BUT ARE ONLY SUPRESSED BY THE IMUNE SYSTEM, AND IF YOU TAKE THE IMUNE SYSTEM OUT, HAIR WILL GROW BACK ? EVEN A CLEAN SHINy PART OF THE SCALP?
2) You said only on females, why? even if dht is still there, there is no imune system to attack the hair. OR would a guy that supressed his imune system 100 precent grow back all is hair?

 

[HARM1]

castration will stop healthy hairs from going bald, but some of the ones that only grow to 1 inch long will still die even after castration, i think.

suppressing your immune system will probably regrow your hair in 2 months, which is how long you will take to die.

female mice without immune systems can regrow hair from shiny bald scalp grafted on to them. organ transplant recipients use cyclosporine to reduce their immune systems attack on the organ, and they regrow more hair than anyone.

DHT just lables hairs to be attacked. The immune system does the dirty work. SODs and minoxidil help protect follicles and blood vessels from the immune system a bit, and some also stimulate growth. Drugs like finasteride and dutasteride stop testonsterone from turning into the much stronger DHT, but ALL androgens label the follicles 3% as much. That is why stopping 100% of DHT is not enough. And i heard that castration does not stop it all, because there are other glands that make testosterone.

If RU can be delivered into the skin right, it will block all androgens in the scalp. Do not eat the stuff.

any scam that wants to prove it can regrow hair will use female immunodeficient mice and no placebo and say "look, our drug regrew all the hair on the shiny bald scalp grafted on these mice."

Are you saying that if I took a bald part of a scalp, that's been bald for a while, and put it in a non imune system female mouse, the hair would grow back?
A COUPLE QUESTIONS:
1) FOLICLES DON'T DIE, BUT ARE ONLY SUPRESSED BY THE IMUNE SYSTEM, AND IF YOU TAKE THE IMUNE SYSTEM OUT, HAIR WILL GROW BACK ? EVEN A CLEAN SHINy PART OF THE SCALP?
2) You said only on females, why? even if dht is still there, there is no imune system to attack the hair. OR would a guy that supressed his imune system 100 precent grow back all is hair?

CCS?

 

[Britannia]

Hairloss (in the sense of progressive thinning of hair) will probably never be cured 100%, but baldness (in the sense of having no hair) will be curable by HM, in the not-to-distant-but-still-someway-off future.

 

[I_Hate_DHT]

I think there is someone on here who says they have 100mg of oral spironolactone a day. Obviously a brave man!

Yes, I saw one guy in the forum who takes ORAL spironolactone and DUTASTERIDE drug mortal combo!!!!!

That guy obviously doesn't care about his body at all. :lol:

 

[IBM]

I dont think HM will give us a nice 10 years old boy's hair. it will be like Elton John.

 

[Guest]

Elton John wears a wig.

 

[tomsmith]

I think there is someone on here who says they have 100mg of oral spironolactone a day. Obviously a brave man!

Yes, I saw one guy in the forum who takes ORAL spironolactone and DUTASTERIDE drug mortal combo!!!!!

That guy obviously doesn't care about his body at all. :lol:

Must be mad...

 

[CCS]

I have not been to this thread in a while. Anyway, i don't know when exactly follicles actually die. I know that fibrosis does set in, but I don't know if the period during which sebum glands produce more sebum that gives the scalp a shiny look corresponds to the same period when fibrosis sets in. Also, i personally have grown 3/4 inch hairs less than 1 mm appart in areas that were 1/2 inch below the hairline and slick bald.

Hamilton concluded castration ends hairloss. Dr Proctor on http://www.drproctor.com implied or stated that it does not stop hairloss, and from there explains the importance of SODs. I also read that some researchers investigating some islanders concluded either that none went bald, or none got acne, but later other researchers discovered that the sample size had been too small, and that one of those conditions did occure in the sample.

When I read the studies with the nude mice, many did say "smooth bald scalp" skin. They did not specify if it was shiny or had fibrosis, and they did not specify what kind of hair was grown, only that hair was grown, and that they concluded the drug was responsible for growing it, and the lack of immune system was only so the grafted scalp would not get rejected. I don't recall seeing a placebo.

Many sources, including Dr Proctor, state that stopping the immune system is much more effective than any other treatment. DHT probably just tells the immune system to attack the hair, though this is not known.

 

[CCS]

Dr Proctor is not the only person who has stressed the role of the immune system. Many other sources mention that cyclosporin can reverse hair loss very well, and kill you too.

Dr Proctor says that companies will not try to come out with stronger and stronger 5ar blocking drugs, and that the cure lies more in other drugs that deal with the damage by the immune system, SODs, which he sells.

I should go back and cut and paste, in case I'm wrong, but I remember reading that stoppping DHT would stop healthy hairs from starting to bald, but those allready fairly miniturized and under attack might not be saved even by eliminating all androgens.