it will be really interesting to see how long mike thurston can fight baldness

[JaneyElizabeth]

Check a photo of you future wife's dad before you marry her
My dad always had perfect, strong, thick, dark hair. He is Norwood 1 or even Norwood 0 at 60 years old, he didn't have a single gray hair until 45 years old, he has a Chad hair genetic, his dad is the same and I should've had the same hair genetic but guess what, my mother's dad was Norwood 7 with thin hair and now I'm Norwood 3 with thin hair at 27 years old, did a hair transplant 2,5 months ago.

Ross and Rachel were worried about their daughter's future nose but that's easy to fix although there seems to be pretty much one nose that all females end up with, that short little cute button nose. HRT is good for shrinking noses and removing spider-veins so I find a way to work that into just about everything<winks>

 

[justinbieberscombover]

Well that's how the balding hair of a lot of us looks without transplants and yet we would rather have that than being slick bald, so better than nothing I guess. Although you indeed gotta be careful to not get too bad of a result.

What Norwood is your dad now? It's interesting when people reach a Norwood pretty fast but then it stops there, and even more so when the hair loss just suddenly resumes later.

Now he's NW6. He had a transplant to have some high-end combover.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Now he's NW6. He had a transplant to have some high-end combover.

Now, that's what I was sort of talking about. Some times I see guys with huge heads and you can tell it's a transplant combover but I probably haven't seen that in years.

 

[Wolf Pack]

When most men get a hair transplant, the pay 20K for:
-A wispy comb-over
-A conservative (balding) hairline
-A bare crown

Hair transplants are not meant to restore young balding men to normal hair. The procedure is meant for older men who want the novelty of a smattering of coverage on their heads.

I had a dense pack transplant for corners as an otherwise thick Norwood 3 and it's definitely put me into full head category. Some people with high NWs also ended up with passable to good enough hair. What you say is true for people who are not candidates but find a surgeon willing to work on them for money/sympathy. Actually in addition to the 3 factors you mentioned, these guys also get horrible donor balding too which is the 4th factor. A classic case was a user on here called FredTheBelgian who ended up with those 4 factors, he persisted with surgery despite reputable surgeons turning him down and probably spent that much since it was done in Europe for money/sympathy, not wealthy either so had to borrow it iirc. And the end result is it sucks, I remember he was advised to shave by guys on here and Drs and could have used that money on car/clothes than with no viable cosmetic benefit. But in the end it still comes down to what the person wants, what you say is true but sometimes a small amount of hair can make someone happy even without a objective improvement. But you need to stop using such rare examples (the worst of people balding) as justification for failed transplants.

I remember talking to a plastic surgeon I knew once and he said hair transplants give the least bang for your money due to donor limits unless you're a low Norwood with good hair calibre. He's right in comparison to other procedures such as mammary augmentation, rhinoplasty, jaw implants, limb lengthening, the patient gets the exact changes they want. And that's why artistry remains crucial in hair surgery as it's the only way to promote "illusion" of full hair as you can't always go 50-60 grafts per cm2 except the hairline.

 

[Wolf Pack]

This guy had a weak transplant imo. It describes that type of situation - he's been given a very high hairline with low density, horseshoe still visible, so little to no cosmetic benefit.

Doesn't describe the norm, in 2021 someone who opts for a transplant should expect better. At least after 2 procedures if they have a lot of hair missing.

That's still very bald, nice of him to show his results properly as it educates people. Apart from the density issues which were a given considering his position, that hairline lacks artistry. Way too straight and stalk like.

Who knows what will be my future sons' situation.. I don't want them to go to highschool half bald, but seems invetible. My plan is to marry a darker skinned woman, so at least they can pull off the look.

I hear you, as transplants simply mask genetics He may not get your aggressive genetics depending on your future wife's family. I do wonder for my boy what will happen, my genetics are not extreme anyway, was Norwood 3 at 25 and stayed like that until 30s and for my girl everyone is a full head, incredible hair too. Only her grandad went slightly bald but it was just a little at the front and from my side it's mixed, you can be full head, slightly bald to full on depending on which side of the family it is. It's difficult to predict anyway as "throwback" genes can come from many generations ago.

 

[Wolf Pack]

He is a good looking specimen, I imagine if would/will hit him hard.....although he has the body, and enough masculine facial features to pull the look off.

Definitely gets enough attention lol, perhaps if he was on finasteride (I don't know) he may hold onto his hair long enough but his genetics seem aggressive. That's a nice natural hairline that he got, probably can't tell he had surgery after depending on how well the incisions were done. I don't see the concern here, he's had probably 2-3k grafts for the frontal half and can probably spare at least another 2k via FUE for the middle and back. If he wanted to get maximum grafts, he should have had FUT first but he can get by on FUE with passable hair and limited donor impact it seems.

 

[justinbieberscombover]

That's still very bald, nice of him to show his results properly as it educates people. Apart from the density issues which were a given considering his position, that hairline lacks artistry. Way too straight and stalk like.


I hear you, as transplants simply mask genetics He may not get your aggressive genetics depending on your future wife's family. I do wonder for my boy what will happen, my genetics are not extreme anyway, was Norwood 3 at 25 and stayed like that until 30s and for my girl everyone is a full head, incredible hair too. Only her grandad went slightly bald but it was just a little at the front and from my side it's mixed, you can be full head, slightly bald to full on depending on which side of the family it is. It's difficult to predict anyway as "throwback" genes can come from many generations ago.

Would you say that man's result resembles Fred's?

Yeah your hair loss isn't extreme so your kids should be safe, I had it bad but there can be even worse, I hear about extreme cases where teenagers are noticeably balding to the point where the other kids bully them. Sad thing it's all a gamble. Hopefully my future son(s) don't have to deal with any of that.

 

[BurningCoals]

I had a dense pack transplant for corners as an otherwise thick Norwood 3 and it's definitely put me into full head category. Some people with high NWs also ended up with passable to good enough hair. What you say is true for people who are not candidates but find a surgeon willing to work on them for money/sympathy. Actually in addition to the 3 factors you mentioned, these guys also get horrible donor balding too which is the 4th factor. A classic case was a user on here called FredTheBelgian who ended up with those 4 factors, he persisted with surgery despite reputable surgeons turning him down and probably spent that much since it was done in Europe for money/sympathy, not wealthy either so had to borrow it iirc. And the end result is it sucks, I remember he was advised to shave by guys on here and Drs and could have used that money on car/clothes than with no viable cosmetic benefit. But in the end it still comes down to what the person wants, what you say is true but sometimes a small amount of hair can make someone happy even without a objective improvement. But you need to stop using such rare examples (the worst of people balding) as justification for failed transplants.

I remember talking to a plastic surgeon I knew once and he said hair transplants give the least bang for your money due to donor limits unless you're a low Norwood with good hair calibre. He's right in comparison to other procedures such as mammary augmentation, rhinoplasty, jaw implants, limb lengthening, the patient gets the exact changes they want. And that's why artistry remains crucial in hair surgery as it's the only way to promote "illusion" of full hair as you can't always go 50-60 grafts per cm2 except the hairline.

Btw anyone know what happened to FredTheBelgian's posts on this site? They've been completely nuked for some reason.

 

[Wolf Pack]

Would you say that man's result resembles Fred's?

Yeah your hair loss isn't extreme so your kids should be safe, I had it bad but there can be even worse, I hear about extreme cases where teenagers are noticeably balding to the point where the other kids bully them. Sad thing it's all a gamble. Hopefully my future son(s) don't have to deal with any of that.

The man you linked? I'd say so. Bear in mind Fred never showed his results properly based on distance, blurry edited pictures iirc, I'm sure they are here somewhere as they were public shown by him. But it was clear that he had those 4 factors (even from what he shared) which strongly puts someone into poor hair territory/essentially bald and I have no doubt it looks like that in real life.

But even in his case, if he had gone to a surgeon more suited for aggressive hair loss, he may have had a different result rather than just look to see who is around the corner from his house and on the "approved forum list." He went mainly to a hairline/crown specialist. As a high Norwood, you don't get second chances, low NWs do and also can get good hair from an average surgeon. But for high NWs, Dr Zarav in Bulgaria, Dr Couto or Eugenix seem to make a big difference. But maybe he was always doomed hair wise because if you look at the guy in the vid you linked and Fred you can see some premature hair loss guys have tighter fibrosed skin resembling scars, so sometimes the grafts don't take hold so easily with impaired vascular supply and the donor itself is also thinning or of poor quality. So in his case I suspect a combination of factors affected him based on physiology and surgery itself but he also had a huge head.

You lucked out with the transplants and also you don't look older than your age, the opposite. Whereas when you see some premature hair loss sufferers, biologically they seem to age quicker; Fred, Rooney and the guy you linked, I remember a study which went into detail about the link between young severe balding and other cardiovascular/malignant diseases but also general ageing.

Btw anyone know what happened to FredTheBelgian's posts on this site? They've been completely nuked for some reason.

No idea, didn't know, but you can remove your posts if you message Admin I guess. Everyone is entitled to a fresh start and he had a lot of embarrassing moments.

 

[justinbieberscombover]

Btw anyone know what happened to FredTheBelgian's posts on this site? They've been completely nuked for some reason.

Lol, dude got the online message board equivalent of a death penalty

 

[Wolf Pack]

Lol, dude got the online message board equivalent of a death penalty

Not sure what happened but most earlier ones (even before me) were garbage/insane; based on hating women and society, racism, how sleeping with 12 year olds is fine, how he has a full head etc. Mostly therapy posts for himself rather than insightful.

 

[BurningCoals]

No idea, didn't know, but you can remove your posts if you message Admin I guess. Everyone is entitled to a fresh start and he had a lot of embarrassing moments.

I see, leaves a big hole in the GourmetStyleWellness lore though.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I was watching Woodstock '99 on HBOMax last night and it is not a pleasant portrayal of young white men at leisure. There seemed to be less rampant male anger when I was growing up but of course, men still had their pick of jobs then. Now women snap up all the jobs with air conditioning while XY's are stuck mining, in steel mills, on merchant and fishing ships, as loggers, as stevedores and deliverymen and truck drivers, that's about all of those I am suited for. I am a lawyer and it's 50-50 male/female now and if I were obliged to work in an industrial society, I would basically have to be in a profession so I certainly get why HRT is not an option for still, many men. I can barely mow the lawn with a push mower now although like most females, I do whatever I need to do since being female rarely involves heavy lifting, mostly lying on one's back or being on one's hands and knees and panting, or wait. Do chicks even do that anymore for guys? I am strictly chickly so I wouldn't know.

 

[Butterbean Head]

Definitely gets enough attention lol, perhaps if he was on finasteride (I don't know) he may hold onto his hair long enough but his genetics seem aggressive. That's a nice natural hairline that he got, probably can't tell he had surgery after depending on how well the incisions were done. I don't see the concern here, he's had probably 2-3k grafts for the frontal half and can probably spare at least another 2k via FUE for the middle and back. If he wanted to get maximum grafts, he should have had FUT first but he can get by on FUE with passable hair and limited donor impact it seems.

Masculine in face and body(well body largely built with synthetic masculine hormones), but non in heart and mind.

The jelly-fish should endure like I've had to.

Due to the fact I'm a big hairy, scary bald monster.............

 

[Norwoodcel]

This guy had a weak transplant imo. It describes that type of situation - he's been given a very high hairline with low density, horseshoe still visible, so little to no cosmetic benefit.

Doesn't describe the norm, in 2021 someone who opts for a transplant should expect better. At least after 2 procedures if they have a lot of hair missing.

With a face like that it's already over... the baldness thing doesnt effect things

 

[Butterbean Head]

With a face like that it's already over... the baldness thing doesnt effect things

What is wrong with his face?

 

[doubleindemnity]

This guy had a weak transplant imo. It describes that type of situation - he's been given a very high hairline with low density, horseshoe still visible, so little to no cosmetic benefit.

Doesn't describe the norm, in 2021 someone who opts for a transplant should expect better. At least after 2 procedures if they have a lot of hair missing.

Am I the only one who thinks that this is a very good and above average result? If I get hair transplant, i don't think that it will look half as good. My only criticism is that with that high hairline it kind of looks strange that the hairline is straight. But there's no way around that.

 

[Norwoodcel]

What is wrong with his face?

what's right with it?

 

[Butterbean Head]

what's right with it?

He is a middle-aged man. What do you expect, tinted eyebrows, square jaw, designer stubble and a steroid-induced body?

 

[Wolf Pack]

I see, leaves a big hole in the GourmetStyleWellness lore though.

I'll miss the apple cider cured my hair loss posts while becoming more bald lol. I do understand, he was impact forum itself as Shookwun said, and infamous on other boards as a bald rights activist. It all sounds entertaining to see but in reality there was a not so smart, disturbed and lonely guy there living in a virtual world without much to show for himself. Now that isn't a laughing matter.