Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

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Clockwise said:
Sorry for the delay, but as a student you sometimes need to work on the weekends...

G. Brotzu says that the statistics has been missunderstood. The hairgrow for the testers after 6 months is 11% (I don't know if that's a good or bad number, because I have no idea who the testers are and their backgrounds or if it's the testers that we saw yeasterday... but he said that the results are the same for male and female).

There will not come any new/updated data with results from testers who has been using the lotion for longer then six months. (I said that something people want to see). The respond was: "For us all this tests are enough."

I responded: "How come? People are reffering to the five years claim and want to see something like that." The answer I got was: "The people who use minoxidil and finisteride gives hart desise and hormonal problems" (That made me think: was this test more to examine any possible side effect according to the amount of the lotion that was used?"). He then said: "The five years of claims are me and two of my friends. Obviously is not possible use this data. All of us have restore only a few years of hair bald. Actually we do not loose hair. This is the perfect product for younger baldness, and to help the transplant to create a good vascular base."

I responded: "A few years, is it like 1,2...5?" The answer I was given was: "Near five".

My latest question was about maintenance. The answer: "Perfect. Is better use for two months the lotion daily, after is enough to use the lotion 2/3 days a week. We have 5 years of experience. During this period, we have not seen any sides or decrease in effectiveness."

Me: "People want evidence. More pictures!" The answer: "I suppose that Fidia will use the pictures during the marketing period." He couldn't tell me when that periods will begin because "We developed the lotion. We do not make marketing decsions".

That's all I got for now.
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Thanks man! But if this is the perfect product for young people, why didn´t they show us photos of young people?

Sorry but this lotion stinks...

If Fidia doesn´t show us photos in a few days these people we´ll be broke (I mean, they won´t get a nickel from us).
 
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BinguBoyX said:
I'll be honest, hair loss hasn't fked me hard in the head for me to go insane but man this thread is f*****g gold. It moves so fast that it should have someone pin past 12 hour recap. Come back to see that Royoum- however it's spelled going ham, to reading to about the lady who's daughter was cured by the lotion getting insulted. JHEEZ SOMEONE DO 12 HOUR UPDATES PLS.
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for the next episode of brotzu : Someone wishes cancer to the doctor's aunt , someone wishes cancer to the doctors dog and someone wishes stds to his 5y.o daughter
dont miss the part where people exchange dislikes and expect a cure in the next 3 months ! Stay tuned !
 
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Arrade said:
He's old as f*** and Fidia is the one with the photos, and he said that those photos were the only ones given.
Obviously when discussing the science and ingredients, they would use the same information as before.
It was a cosmetic trial and presented at Sitri, which isn't open to the public.
I do agree that the evidence sucks, but it wasn't a drug trial and done by some 2nd world outside team I believe.

Dude, the time has passed because of liposomes and changing the formula to be stable. And when you say evidence requested, well the areata people are doing fine with the evidence! Nobody gives a f*** about this forum and Androgenetic Alopecia men, at least the brotzus ave told us as much as they can under an NDA
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Bro you should probably know that areata is known to spontaneously regress without treatment. That, and the mechanisms are totally f*****g different between Androgenetic Alopecia and aa. And by the fuckin' way, what evidence on the aa cases? Pictures of one girl? Even though apparently many people were trialed? Sounds familiar!

I don't give a f*** that time has passed because they worked on the liposomes or because they were busy jacking off. The point is that they had time to get something together and they did not because they likely do not have anything. Do you know that the doctor claims to have been working on this since many years before 2016? How many years before a decent picture or two? Get real!

If he's too old to not give a bullshit powerpoint presentation, then maybe he is too old to CURE MALE PATTERN BALDNESS? What kind of logic is "too old" ?! Fidia's the one with the photos? Bro the reason Fidia even bought the patent was because he claimed results on Androgenetic Alopecia patients to begin with! And what, he forgot to take pictures back then? Sounds legit!
 
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d3nt3dsh0v3l said:
I'm actually really impressed that you turned over a new leaf. Good work, soldier. I'm proud of you.

No doctor, no professor, no inventor or really any professional should feel comfortable presenting such pitifully low quality data and slides at a conference or anywhere! That is not normal AT ALL. It is 2018. Any old smartphone can take better pictures than the ones shown in the presentation - UNACCEPTABLE! Not to mention that only two patients were shown and so few were trialed.

If you want to show results for "5 years of regrowth" and "in group 1 all the patients report total disappearance of hair reduction areas that have been replaced by robust and shiny hair" then how about not showing ONE picture of some old f*** with long hair combed in different directions, with different head angles and "progress" that you have to squint and use your imagination to perceive?
And how about that woman? Really, you couldn't find ANY woman who didn't dye her f*****g hair blonde, creating contrast between the dyed hair and undyed roots, making it hard to distinguish hair from scalp?
And really? You just had to use 400x400 pixel images?
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yep, its literally an insult to people to do this.

that piece of info about that guy using a very small dosage of the lotion too, if its true. you conduct a study with the sole purpose of testing a product and then come up with that "he only used 1ml on his entire scalp, though" excuse?

same goes for that absurd shifting of responsibility between fidia and brotzu:
- ask brotzu about anything about the product - "I m just presenting, ask them about everything else"
- ask fidia about it - "ask the Doctor, he is the one who came up with the lotion"
- attack brotzu for shitty ppt and pics - turns out someone from fidia made it and gave it to him in the last moment
- ask fidia about how ridiculously amateurish their trial was - turns out they paid some other company to do it

if you ask me, this level of amateurism should be closely monitored and sanctioned legally, through taking licenses to practice medicine/science/business away or otherwise.

a waste of time and resources and highly unethical. no wonder people from the industry present at the conference were pissed. who has the time for some senile wannabe wondermaker doctor and a bunch of amateurs from some second-tier pharma company?
 
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SheddieMurphy said:
yep, its literally an insult to people to do this.

that piece of info about that guy using a very small dosage of the lotion too, if its true. you conduct a study with the sole purpose of testing a product and then come up with that "he only used 1ml on his entire scalp, though" excuse?

same goes for that absurd shifting of responsibility between fidia and brotzu:
- ask brotzu about anything about the product - "I m just presenting, ask them about everything else"
- ask fidia about it - "ask the Doctor, he is the one who came up with the lotion"
- attack brotzu for shitty ppt and pics - turns out someone from fidia made it and gave it to him in the last moment
- ask fidia about how ridiculously amateurish their trial was - turns out they paid some other company to do it

if you ask me, this level of amateurism should be closely monitored and sanctioned legally, through taking licenses to practice medicine/science/business away or otherwise.

a waste of time and resources and highly unethical. no wonder people from the industry present at the conference were pissed. who has the time for some senile wannabe wondermaker doctor and a bunch of amateurs from some second-tier pharma company?
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No one cares because it’s a cosmetic with no sides. That’s why they get away with only 6 month trials with limited scientific parameters
 
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WeReAllGonnaMakeItBrah said:
IESON: Another Equol/DGLA lotion NOT FROM FIDIA
http://www.ricercamedica.com/show881722.html?numArgomento=63

Out soon and searching for testers, they say
Even some pictures but yeah...
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Shitty pictures again! The f*** is wrong with these people?!
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I'm a diffuse thinner. I do exactly these kinds of tricks to cover up my loss. It's bullshit.

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I'm so done.
 
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WeReAllGonnaMakeItBrah said:
IESON: Another Equol/DGLA lotion NOT FROM FIDIA
http://www.ricercamedica.com/show881722.html?numArgomento=63

Out soon and searching for testers, they say
Even some pictures but yeah...
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• TEA TREE LEAF EXTRACT : Natural antibiotic, anti-inflammatory, antifungal. This incredible extract of the melaleuca alternifolia plant enhances the anti-inflammatory properties of DGLA. Its antifungal action is perfect in counteracting dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis which in most cases contribute to weakening and hair loss.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360273/

• MENTHA HERB LEAF EXTRACT : promoter of hair growth. This element of studies carried out (in concentration at 3%) has a promoter of hair growth comparable to that carried out by the drug minoxidil, working on IGF-1 growth factors. Also for minoxidil the use should be prolonged in time because a suspension of it brings the hair back to a pre-therapy stage. About the side effects refer to the reference package insert.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289931/

• URTICA DIOICA ROOT TM EXTRACT : vegetable known and used for millennia for various diseases. This herb particularly rich in minerals (in particular silica) is able to increase the strength of hair and nails, has an antiandrogenic, anti-sebum and anti-dandruff effect. Therefore plays an important role for skin health.



A f*****g scam this too..
 
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Marco445 said:
• TEA TREE LEAF EXTRACT : Natural antibiotic, anti-inflammatory, antifungal. This incredible extract of the melaleuca alternifolia plant enhances the anti-inflammatory properties of DGLA. Its antifungal action is perfect in counteracting dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis which in most cases contribute to weakening and hair loss.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360273/

• MENTHA HERB LEAF EXTRACT : promoter of hair growth. This element of studies carried out (in concentration at 3%) has a promoter of hair growth comparable to that carried out by the drug minoxidil, working on IGF-1 growth factors. Also for minoxidil the use should be prolonged in time because a suspension of it brings the hair back to a pre-therapy stage. About the side effects refer to the reference package insert.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289931/

• URTICA DIOICA ROOT TM EXTRACT : vegetable known and used for millennia for various diseases. This herb particularly rich in minerals (in particular silica) is able to increase the strength of hair and nails, has an antiandrogenic, anti-sebum and anti-dandruff effect. Therefore plays an important role for skin health.



A f*****g scam this too..
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You missed Equol and DGLA part
 
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d3nt3dsh0v3l said:
NO. I will not accept this excuse. I am a graduate student. No respectable professor I know would fail this hard. It's his fuckin' presentation! He should know what he is showing. He is an ADULT and a PROFESSIONAL. He should have had a backup plan. He should have made or reviewed the slides himself - it's his f*****g work! And by the way, half the slides were from his 2016 presentation anyway, so he is at least responsible for that portion.

You're seeing what you want to see, dude. I am not here to convince you or anyone else. I'm here to stand my ground and point out how objectively moronic it is to put that presentation on a plate and expect me or any other level headed individual to consume it - no thanks! For all you know, the lady used minoxidil for a short period of time. That's the trouble - nobody knows sh*t, because the quality of evidence sucks! And after all the times evidence was requested, this is apparently the best that can be produced - think about that for a moment, in the context of how much time has passed and how much work was supposedly done.

I'm not going to argue the same point over and over. People should learn to tell the difference between bullshit and the real deal. And I can tell you nobody presents the real deal like that. Nobody.

And if @beps63 wants to come here and post some real legitimate pictures (f*****g @westonci has better pictures!) then fine. But last I f*****g checked, he expected us to lap this bullshit right up.
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Yeah all eyes are on the penultimate slide now!
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He’s right. The bottom line is that the presentation was not a “mixup” or anything of the like due to Brotzu’s age or the alleged incompetence of his PR employee. The presentation was a failure because the proof to back up the miraculous claims about the lotion simply doesn’t exist. I don’t care how elderly or foreign to technology a person is, I could have taken exponentially better, more comprehensive photographs using the camera on my iPhone and patched together a more scientifically credible presentation while scrawling down talking points on a spare piece of T.P on my lap while taking a sh*t. That is, IF the lotion performed as claimed. There is zero logical explanation for why the inventor of a lotion that received so much positive hype produced poorly taken photos of a single male study participant - especially one with such advanced hairloss. Any attempt to circumnavigate these truths is, I’m afraid, some pyschological coping defense mechanism.
 
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Marco445 said:
• TEA TREE LEAF EXTRACT : Natural antibiotic, anti-inflammatory, antifungal. This incredible extract of the melaleuca alternifolia plant enhances the anti-inflammatory properties of DGLA. Its antifungal action is perfect in counteracting dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis which in most cases contribute to weakening and hair loss.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360273/

• MENTHA HERB LEAF EXTRACT : promoter of hair growth. This element of studies carried out (in concentration at 3%) has a promoter of hair growth comparable to that carried out by the drug minoxidil, working on IGF-1 growth factors. Also for minoxidil the use should be prolonged in time because a suspension of it brings the hair back to a pre-therapy stage. About the side effects refer to the reference package insert.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289931/

• URTICA DIOICA ROOT TM EXTRACT : vegetable known and used for millennia for various diseases. This herb particularly rich in minerals (in particular silica) is able to increase the strength of hair and nails, has an antiandrogenic, anti-sebum and anti-dandruff effect. Therefore plays an important role for skin health.



A f*****g scam this too..
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Because ingredients are natural? You are a moron if this is your only excuse.
 
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