Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Drogedagh]

After reading it for me it doesn't make any sense why would they market the product while didn't do a full study on its effectiveness. Maybe because they 100% sure it is effective or.. I have no idea. But I'm willing to try it.

 

[vegetassj]

After reading it for me it doesn't make any sense why would they market the product while didn't do a full study on its effectiveness. Maybe because they 100% sure it is effective or.. I have no idea. But I'm willing to try it.

Because they need money and 99,9% of all hair products doesn‘t do anything and some of them do solid turnover

 

[Jimm]

Jimm, you misused a word, it was, quite simply, not applicable in that context. But hey, guess what? That’s ok! You’ve learned something and you’ll continue to do so. That’s the whole point. And if you couple that thesaurus with a dictionary well, watch out world, Jimm’s about to become someone that knows what he’s talking about! I’ll leave it there, this isn’t the place for repartee or as you (using the thesaurus but not the dictionary) might say, satire.

Oh, lord... If I wasn't so sure that I would be giving into internet- and idiot-induced rage (neither of which are ever good to give into) by allowing myself to indulge in expounding to you your misapprehension, I would certainly go on. But, as it is thus far, I believe I can hear my hemorrhoids crying blood, so I'm gonna have to refrain for now.

 

[alibaba92]

it is, contains 22 pages. And in this study they state many times that further studies should be carried out to investigate the effectiveness.

Well, at least, they are honest.

 

[irishdub]

I remember a few years ago, I think it was L'Oréal brought out this cosmetic treatment called Neogenic claiming to grow 1700 new hairs in three months. And thicken hair.

Back then there was a lot of sceptical people about this treatment and the fact they were charging an arm and a leg for it.

Well I bought in like many and realised it was all hype, a scam, an expensive one too.

I just hope this Brotzu lotion is not another case of the above.

One thing is grating though, why these companies can justify charging so much.

We all apply slighlty over 1ml a day of treatment to cover full our full head and this Brotzu lotion is circa 70 euro for 30ml

I just hope the actual product delivers on the price it's charging.

 

[hairloss_user]

I remember a few years ago, I think it was L'Oréal brought out this cosmetic treatment called Neogenic claiming to grow 1700 new hairs in three months. And thicken hair.

Back then there was a lot of sceptical people about this treatment and the fact they were charging an arm and a leg for it.

Well I bought in like many and realised it was all hype, a scam, an expensive one too.

I just hope this Brotzu lotion is not another case of the above.

One thing is grating though, why these companies can justify charging so much.

We all apply slighlty over 1ml a day of treatment to cover full our full head and this Brotzu lotion is circa 70 euro for 30ml

I just hope the actual product delivers on the price it's charging.

I don't think there is much to do about the price because s-equol is really expensive.

 

[orphanfunkhouser]

still cant believe this brotion has been memed into existence. what a ride

 

[Janks16]

I don't think there is much to do about the price because s-equol is really expensive.

I don't know what the true cost will be when it comes out, but if it's not affordable, Fidia will not maximize its profits. It's in Fidia's interests to make certain that guys like us will be buying this every month.

 

[NYM2018]

I don't know what the true cost will be when it comes out, but if it's not affordable, Fidia will not maximize its profits. It's in Fidia's interests to make certain that guys like us will be buying this every month.

If it does work even remotely close to what’s some of the pictures have shown then guys like us will definitely be buying it every month

 

[Jimm]

I don't think there is much to do about the price because s-equol is really expensive.

Can you tell me what makes you feel that you can justify your fidelity to Fidia and Brotzu given your previous experience? I ask because I’d sincerely like to do know. Not trying to be a smart ***. I’d like to know any reasons if there are any, because so far as I know, there aren’t.

 

[champpy]

I remember a few years ago, I think it was L'Oréal brought out this cosmetic treatment called Neogenic claiming to grow 1700 new hairs in three months. And thicken hair.

Back then there was a lot of sceptical people about this treatment and the fact they were charging an arm and a leg for it.

Well I bought in like many and realised it was all hype, a scam, an expensive one too.

I just hope this Brotzu lotion is not another case of the above.

One thing is grating though, why these companies can justify charging so much.

We all apply slighlty over 1ml a day of treatment to cover full our full head and this Brotzu lotion is circa 70 euro for 30ml

I just hope the actual product delivers on the price it's charging.

Ive been thinking this exact same thing. And loreal is a much larger and well respected company, and they still put out a crap product. (It did smell nice though)

 

[tzt]

I didn't visit the thread for two days and i found almost 10 new pages :

the worst part that almost half of the comments are made by our brother @Jimm which are useless comments.

the good thing that I had to pass his comments and thus reducing the reading time.

 

[Jimm]

I didn't visit the thread for two days and i found almost 10 new pages :

the worst part that almost half of the comments are made by our brother @Jimm which are useless comments.

the good thing that I had to pass his comments and thus reducing the reading time.

Nothing new under the sun, my friend.

I'd like to see you point out a useful comment that isn't in some form what was already stated first by @The 7TH Sense.

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Here you go, you plebians:

THE ALMIGHTY BROTZU PUBLICATION (CLICK THE LINK TO READ THE PAPER):
https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1111/dth.12778

 

[Jimm]

Here you go, you plebians:

THE ALMIGHTY BROTZU PUBLICATION:
https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1111/dth.12778

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I could be going blind as well as bald--and I'm not trying to be traitorous and change sides or nothin--but picture B looks better than I remember it looking. Picture that I saw had a bunch more grey hair than those two photos of the male do. I don't know if those in your post were touched up or what, but they definitely seem a bit different than what I remember.

 

[soull]

Nothing new under the sun, my friend.

I'd like to see you point out a useful comment that isn't in some form what was already stated first by @The 7TH Sense.

Like you, I do not see you saying anything new alone. you only repeat yourself in several pages. I do not trust Trinov like before, but that does not give me the right to overload an informative thread.

 

[Jimm]

Aren't these the Sitri photos?

 

[Jimm]

Like you, I do not see you saying anything new alone. you only repeat yourself in several pages. I do not trust Trinov like before, but that does not give me the right to overload an informative thread.

Don’t worry, friend, I’m only here until this saga comes to a close. You’ll be rid of me soon—although, you might add, not soon enough. In reality, I only provoke in the slight chance I have someone come back at the suspicions previously leveled against this product with a sufficient response to silence me and all of the other dissenters.

I would like your opinion on the photos posted above, however, as I’m wondering what I’m not seeing correctly.

 

[acbrantlin]

Their method for determining the number of hairs in anagen and telogen is also complete bogus.

I had assumed they were doing punch biopsies on the scalp to actually be able to see exactly how many follicles were in anagen and telogen in addition to the wash/pull tests. Apparently their only means of measuring follicle state were by doing wash tests and pull tests. Whereas from what I can tell, the Propecia FDA trials actually used biopsies and not completely bogus wash/pull tests.

These tests are about as reliable for exact follicle data as the average of the guesses of 100 random people. They're fine for determining if you potentially have a problem with your hair that needs to be addressed, be it Androgenetic Alopecia or telogen effluvium, but absolutely nothing else. A wash test just gathers hair in a filter after a rinse and counts them and measures their diameter. A pull test just tests how many hairs came out when you pull on a cluster. Again, these are fine for aiding a general diagnosis that an issue is present, but not for exact data to base a scientific study on. This doctor has got to be out of his mind.

This is worse than I thought it was before and I thought it was garbage before, because these results are absolutely meaningless. And I don't know how to say it again any clearer: those images show no regrowth whatsoever. That's the result of dirty greasy hair on the before picture, and fluffy freshly shampood hair on the after picture. And those are the assumed best 'results'. So if the best results show no regrowth, I don't know what else to say.

This product will do absolutely nothing.

 

[Dinnosaur]

Their method for determining the number of hairs in anagen and telogen is also complete bogus.

I had assumed they were doing punch biopsies on the scalp to actually be able to see exactly how many follicles were in anagen and telogen in addition to the wash/pull tests. Apparently their only means of measuring follicle state were by doing wash tests and pull tests. Whereas from what I can tell, the Propecia FDA trials actually used biopsies and not completely bogus wash/pull tests.

"The number and percentage of anagen and telogen hairs in a given scalp area were measured using
a phototrichogram technique. In short, a 20-fold magnified photograph of a given (0.728-cm2) hairclipped
area of the scalp was taken using an epiluminescence microscope system (FotoFinder
Dermoscope, FotoFinder Systems GmbH, Bad Birnbach, Germany) and analyzed using a dedicated
image-analysis software (TrichoSchan, DermoScan GmbH, Regensburg, Germany) (Hoffmann et
al., 2002) that identifies and counts hairs in their telogen (length ≤ 0.65 mm) or anagen (length >
0.65 mm) phases. The 0.728 cm2 area is the maximum area that the Trichoscan software can
analyze."

This was in the study

 

[acbrantlin]

"The number and percentage of anagen and telogen hairs in a given scalp area were measured using
a phototrichogram technique. In short, a 20-fold magnified photograph of a given (0.728-cm2) hairclipped
area of the scalp was taken using an epiluminescence microscope system (FotoFinder
Dermoscope, FotoFinder Systems GmbH, Bad Birnbach, Germany) and analyzed using a dedicated
image-analysis software (TrichoSchan, DermoScan GmbH, Regensburg, Germany) (Hoffmann et
al., 2002) that identifies and counts hairs in their telogen (length ≤ 0.65 mm) or anagen (length >
0.65 mm) phases. The 0.728 cm2 area is the maximum area that the Trichoscan software can
analyze."

This was in the study

Well f*** me then. But it's still sh*t compared to a biopsy.