Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Felipe302]

If this lotion can be equal to finasteride without side effects its already the holy grail for me.

 

[The 7TH Sense]

Would anybody maybe hazard a guess as to why this lotion would work for people that finasteride did nothing. Just looking for some optimism for my own situation, selfish i know. 7th sense said one guys on ieson had very good results while finasteride did nothing.

Finasteride inhibites 5-alpha-reductase, bit does not supply the follicule with the right nutritives it needs (contained in the blood flow), unlike the lotion which contains Equol, DGLA (which reacts forming PGE1, potent vasodilator), and Carnitine (which helps the cell's metabolism).

It's like you are hanging from the wall, hung up for years (even decades, basing on your Androgenetic Alopecia) and the rope constricting you is the DHT. Finasteride does free you from the constrictions, but it leaves you there half dead with no strenght. Instead, the lotion, after destroying the rope, puts you in front of a generous meal (PGE1) making you super hungry with an empty stomach (Carnitine).
Bad metaphore, I know, but I hope you'll get me right.

 

[irishlad87]

Finasteride inhibites 5-alpha-reductase, bit does not supply the follicule with the right nutritives it needs (contained in the blood flow), unlike the lotion which contains Equol, DGLA (which reacts forming PGE1, potent vasodilator), and Carnitine (which helps the cell's metabolism).

It's like you are hanging from the wall, hung up for years (even decades, basing on your Androgenetic Alopecia) and the rope constricting you is the DHT. Finasteride does free you from the constrictions, but it leaves you there half dead with no strenght. Instead, the lotion, after destroying the rope, puts you in front of a generous meal (PGE1) making you super hungry with an empty stomach (Carnitine).
Bad metaphore, I know, but I hope you'll get me right.

Thanks man but in your opinion if there is no hair there is nothing to feed so regrowth would be only thickening of existing hair?

 

[FutureSaitama]

Finasteride inhibites 5-alpha-reductase, bit does not supply the follicule with the right nutritives it needs (contained in the blood flow), unlike the lotion which contains Equol, DGLA (which reacts forming PGE1, potent vasodilator), and Carnitine (which helps the cell's metabolism).

It's like you are hanging from the wall, hung up for years (even decades, basing on your Androgenetic Alopecia) and the rope constricting you is the DHT. Finasteride does free you from the constrictions, but it leaves you there half dead with no strenght. Instead, the lotion, after destroying the rope, puts you in front of a generous meal (PGE1) making you super hungry with an empty stomach (Carnitine).
Bad metaphore, I know, but I hope you'll get me right.

7th Sense, my man.. you put it so nicely that i feel like eating that lotion on bread.

 

[Trouse]

Though usually an unabashed pessimist, I can't help but feel some genuine excitement and a whole lot of hope pinned on this product. I need a new treatment like I need air in my lungs.

 

[The 7TH Sense]

Science wise, do you guys really have faith in the lotion?

The lotion's key components:

1. S-equol: has been tested multiple times by hair loss forums before with no results.
2. DGLA: a precursor of PGE1, which Brotzu used on his patients before. However, there's no guarantee that a PRECURSOR will turn into sufficient level of a desired substance in the absence of responsible enzymes unless you're heavily deficient of it. And this is assuming that PGE1 works in the first place.

If so, what makes us so firmly believe the lotion will work?

Please note: I'm not trying to say that the lotion is garbage. Exactly the opposite, I want it to work so much, that I'm questioning it from all possible angles to get some mental assurance.

Missed this...
Equol => You say many people tried to use it for Androgenetic Alopecia. While there was never created "systemic Equol", assuming you're referring to topical Equol, the reason why it did not work is simple: Equol cannot pass the skin barriers in a simple way (Dr.Brotzu declaration). The big innovation is the cathionic liposomes, which inglobate Equol, DGLA and Carnitine, and for their scientifically proved properties, they attach to the skin due to the fact they are positively charged. They attach underneath in the follicules right in the zone which needs, and they can set free Equol to do his dirty work. Without liposomes, Equol and DGLA cannot be absorbed by the skin.
DGLA => Aside the fact you are forgetting the vital role of Carnitine, DGLA is already effective on the microcirculation, the Doctor says it causes: neoangyogenesis (creation of new capillaries), reestablishment of the correct blood flow, antitrombotic action. With no need to necessarily evolve to PGE1. Even Brotzu himself said "The results with DGLA were the same, if not even better, than using PGE1". However, DGLA eventually evolves the same way, leading to PGE1 which is another potent vasdilator.

I'll repeat another time: no product actually on the market does even one thing in the same way this lotion does. Even finasteride attacks DHT in a different way than Equol, and even minoxidil drugs the cells on another level respect DGLA carried by liposomes.

 

[Xander94]

Missed this...
Equol => You say many people tried to use it for Androgenetic Alopecia. While there was never created "systemic Equol", assuming you're referring to topical Equol, the reason why it did not work is simple: Equol cannot pass the skin barriers in a simple way (Dr.Brotzu declaration). The big innovation is the cathionic liposomes, which inglobate Equol, DGLA and Carnitine, and for their scientifically proved properties, they attach to the skin due to the fact they are positively charged. They attach underneath in the follicules right in the zone which needs, and they can set free Equol to do his dirty work. Without liposomes, Equol and DGLA cannot be absorbed by the skin.
DGLA => Aside the fact you are forgetting the vital role of Carnitine, DGLA is already effective on the microcirculation, the Doctor says it causes: neoangyogenesis (creation of new capillaries), reestablishment of the correct blood flow, antitrombotic action. With no need to necessarily evolve to PGE1. Even Brotzu himself said "The results with DGLA were the same, if not even better, than using PGE1". However, DGLA eventually evolves the same way, leading to PGE1 which is another potent vasdilator.

I'll repeat another time: no product actually on the market does even one thing in the same way this lotion does. Even finasteride attacks DHT in a different way than Equol, and even minoxidil drugs the cells on another level respect DGLA carried by liposomes.

So when will we scedule the party in Italy!!! ?

 

[inmyhead]

Missed this...
Equol => You say many people tried to use it for Androgenetic Alopecia. While there was never created "systemic Equol", assuming you're referring to topical Equol, the reason why it did not work is simple: Equol cannot pass the skin barriers in a simple way (Dr.Brotzu declaration). The big innovation is the cathionic liposomes, which inglobate Equol, DGLA and Carnitine, and for their scientifically proved properties, they attach to the skin due to the fact they are positively charged. They attach underneath in the follicules right in the zone which needs, and they can set free Equol to do his dirty work. Without liposomes, Equol and DGLA cannot be absorbed by the skin.
DGLA => Aside the fact you are forgetting the vital role of Carnitine, DGLA is already effective on the microcirculation, the Doctor says it causes: neoangyogenesis (creation of new capillaries), reestablishment of the correct blood flow, antitrombotic action. With no need to necessarily evolve to PGE1. Even Brotzu himself said "The results with DGLA were the same, if not even better, than using PGE1". However, DGLA eventually evolves the same way, leading to PGE1 which is another potent vasdilator.

I'll repeat another time: no product actually on the market does even one thing in the same way this lotion does. Even finasteride attacks DHT in a different way than Equol, and even minoxidil drugs the cells on another level respect DGLA carried by liposomes.

eh mate, reading your posts seems that we got cure already... I just hope that fidia won't dissapoint and lotion is indeed effective. Can't wait for their press release!

 

[That Guy]

Finasteride inhibites 5-alpha-reductase, bit does not supply the follicule with the right nutritives it needs (contained in the blood flow), unlike the lotion which contains Equol, DGLA (which reacts forming PGE1, potent vasodilator), and Carnitine (which helps the cell's metabolism).

It's like you are hanging from the wall, hung up for years (even decades, basing on your Androgenetic Alopecia) and the rope constricting you is the DHT. Finasteride does free you from the constrictions, but it leaves you there half dead with no strenght. Instead, the lotion, after destroying the rope, puts you in front of a generous meal (PGE1) making you super hungry with an empty stomach (Carnitine).
Bad metaphore, I know, but I hope you'll get me right.

I like this guy/girl

 

[paxis]

I like this guy/girl

Who doesn't?!

 

[Stupidon]

I like this guy/girl

I think he was also him who introduced the cosmetic as another tool but not a cure. Realistic approach.

 

[sselssert]

Hi everyone, I've been following this thread for the last 100 pages or so, but just decided to make an account because I have a question that I don't think I've seen asked on here.

So we know that the lotion will be classified as a cosmetic in Italy, but do we know for a fact that the same classification can be used in other places (the USA for instance)? Basically, are we sure that we will be able to get the product in America once it is available in Italy? Thanks!

 

[The 7TH Sense]

eh mate, reading your posts seems that we got cure already... I just hope that fidia won't dissapoint and lotion is indeed effective. Can't wait for their press release!

No please don't get me wrong: nobody says this is a cure. Or better, this certainly is NOT a cure: even Brotzu himself says so.
If you watched the video of his conference at Genova's Gaslini Hospital for the ASAA congress, you may remember his metaphore:
"let's suppose we are playing billiard. the balls are our hairs; when the cue, governed by the man who represents in this case the Androgenetic Alopecia, hits the balls, they fall into the corner holes. Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by genetical causes, which, being a surgeon, I can't deal with; but it's demonstrated that the major symptom of ALL alopecias is the damage DHT provides at the microcirculation. This is my field and I can help: when curing the microcirculation I can cure the symptoms, NOT the causes, but by curing the symptoms, I am preventing the effects from happening (fall of hairs). In our example, I am preventing the cue from hitting the balls."

I would add another mine metaphore to close the circle, now: imagine the effect of the lotion like the public screaming against the player. If the public is extremely loud when shouting, the man playing our game will be distracted and will probably fail his shots. Imagine if the public was composed only by old men (patients old-aged). They can't scream and shout like a bunch of boys, so their efforts will be probably vain and the man will probably hit all the targets. Or imagine if the public enters in the room when the match is already started (cure used on old Androgenetic Alopecia): most of the balls would probably be already hit.

Brotzu's lotion is not designed to dissuade the man from playing, it just tries to make his work very hard or even impossible.

And then there's me that, if I could have had the possibility, i would jump the stands and beat to death the man

 

[Xander94]

No please don't get me wrong: nobody says this is a cure. Or better, this certainly is NOT a cure: even Brotzu himself says so.
If you watched the video of his conference at Genova's Gaslini Hospital for the ASAA congress, you may remember his metaphore:
"let's suppose we are playing billiard. the balls are our hairs; when the cue, governed by the man who represents in this case the Androgenetic Alopecia, hits the balls, they fall into the corner holes. Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by genetical causes, which, being a surgeon, I can't deal with; but it's demonstrated that the major symptom of ALL alopecias is the damage DHT provides at the microcirculation. This is my field and I can help: when curing the microcirculation I can cure the symptoms, NOT the causes, but by curing the symptoms, I am preventing the effects from happening (fall of hairs). In our example, I am preventing the cue from hitting the balls."

I would add another mine metaphore to close the circle, now: imagine the effect of the lotion like the public screaming against the player. If the public is extremely loud when shouting, the man playing our game will be distracted and will probably fail his shots. Imagine if the public was composed only by old men (patients old-aged). They can't scream and shout like a bunch of boys, so their efforts will be probably vain and the man will probably hit all the targets. Or imagine if the public enters in the room when the match is already started (cure used on old Androgenetic Alopecia): most of the balls would probably be already hit.

Brotzu's lotion is not designed to dissuade the man from playing, it just tries to make his work very hard or even impossible.

And then there's me that, if I could have had the possibility, i would jump the stands and beat to death the man

Well for us younger people (22) that have been balding for 2,5-3 years it is essentially a cure right?

 

[That Guy]

What I get from what 7th sense is saying is that essentially, if you're able to recover most (or even all of your hair) from using this lotion, you would appear "cured" as long as you continue to use it.

 

[The 7TH Sense]

Well for us younger people (22) that have been balding for 2,5-3 years it is essentially a cure right?

That's exactly my hope. On IESON, i chatted with Beps, describing my situation (21 y.o. at ~ NW2), and he replied:
"21, so young. Relax, the lotion is designed for those in your situation".
I got so f****n hyped I promised him to take my car and travel down the Sardinia to get to Cagliari with all my balding friends and offer a shot at the entire Brotzu's equipe if that lotion will really accomplish the promise.
Then we should party so hard that the government shall rename the city to "Cagliarifornia".

 

[PRM]

@The 7TH Sense,

What about those who are over 40 years old but have been using finasteride and minoxidil for many years?

My case, for example. I started treatments when i was 23 years old. Now i am 43. I lost the hais on my temples, which i fixed with a hair transplant. But i still have many hairs all over my head. They are thinned, but still give me the ideal coverage.

According to Brotzu's age considerations, does it mean that people like me will not benefit from the lotion?

I'm afraid that even having many hairs, they may be damaged to the point of no return due to my age.

What are your perceptions? Thanks for the attention.

 

[Stupidon]

And it's starting again.

 

[PRM]

Are you referring to my post?

 

[project100]

That's exactly my hope. On IESON, i chatted with Beps, describing my situation (21 y.o. at ~ NW2), and he replied:
"21, so young. Relax, the lotion is designed for those in your situation".
I got so f****n hyped I promised him to take my car and travel down the Sardinia to get to Cagliari with all my balding friends and offer a shot at the entire Brotzu's equipe if that lotion will really accomplish the promise.
Then we should party so hard that the government shall rename the city to "Cagliarifornia".

I got so much hope from your last couple of posts . I'm 22, started balding at 18. I'm NW3 - diffuse NW4.

f***, I needed this so badly. I'm hyped!