Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[mr_robot]

But Mr. Robot you're already using equol from equelle, right?

The dosage for a topical will likely be in the ballpark of 10mg/ml.
At $60 for 112 caps at 2.5 mg/cap = 280 mg potentially extractable from a month's supply of Equelle.

It is expensive considering you get 3000mg minoxidil in a one months (60ml) supply of 5% minoxidil which is < $10.

 

[CharAblaze]

The answer I want right now is: will beps come back again?

I'm in rage mode, almost 6 months have already passed since the official statement by FIDIA.
This is marketed as a cosmetic product, so there should be no hold ups, yet we have no f*****g news for half a year.
Beps will not come back, because he lost his trutworthyness after sayingt that the lotion will be realeased in 2017.
I'm already waiting since 2013 for an effective treatment, if nothing comes out in two years I will shoot myself with a doorknob.

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Just how expensive are we talking about here?

I mean regardless of how the Brotzu lotion pans out (a million other things besides efficacy could go wrong), the s-equol angle alone deserves to be explored properly. So how have we still not found an affordable source for it? It's not like it needs to be cheap enough for everyone to use from the get-go - just about affordable enough for a handful of us to try it.

You know, if it works, it might generate enough interest to organize group buys and get some large scale production going.

But obviously, we'd need to make sure we're doing it under optimal conditions and for that we'd need to mobilize the science-savvy posters around here.

It would be crazy to just pass up on this when a safe maintenance treatment could be right under our nose.

Yeah this is my point too. Can some of us just try it?
LC labs has 100 mg/$64

It is expensive considering you get 3000mg minoxidil in a one months (60ml) supply of 5% minoxidil which is < $10.

That's fair and I totally understand that the current treatments are dirt cheap. I just meant that equol isn't you know... out of reach for just trying.

 

[tzt]

The answer I want right now is: will beps come back again?

I think this radio silence has lasted long enough and we still need information.

@beps63 where are you !!!

more than 14 weeks that he didn't came back to this forum !

 

[Cody1212]

Man all hair loss news has gotten really quiet lately....

 

[Armando Jose]

Beps could be one of pillars of Fidias hairloss treatment, his supossed efects on him were fantastic, but it was real?

Where are you Beps?

 

[MrJolly16]

And now we summon the guy! It´s a shame you left us, come on please come back. We need you among us, so we can remain hopeful. Just come and say hi, you´ll always be welcomed here. There´s nothing to forgive and Fidia´s people are no longer reading, because our memes are not as good as they used to be heheh.

Come on, holidays are over man.

Thanks

 

[Switzer]

Actually I just read through the patent again now and it does not say anything about equol being useless alone - he never made a lotion with equol alone. Here is the summary:

Lotion A: Has DGLA, L-propionylcarnitine, and equol. This is "the" main formulation in the patent
Lotion B: Has PGE1, L-propionylcarnitine, and equol. This is an "old" formulation.
Lotion C: Only PGE1.
Lotion D: Only DGLA.

Conclusion: Lotion A shows the best performance, lotion B is second place, lotion C and D show minimal improvement.

So again, it sounds actually like equol is doing a bunch of the work. There is synergy I'm sure, but I don't see how one can expect results without addressing the DHT problem, in this case by using equol. The results seem to agree with that logic. That was sort of the rationale for me post about maybe using a homemade equol topical. If people have a few hundred to burn and time...it might be possible. I know the ethanol vehicle isn't the best. But it might not be that bad either. I would be surprised if it just delivers 0, but I'm also open to being surprised as I don't know the real answer.

Actually, they made an error in the patent and lotion C was equol alone and not PGE1. From page 9 of the attached document.

 

[MomoGee]

@beps63 where are you !!!

more than 14 weeks that he didn't came back to this forum !

What happened to him? Were people harassing him and he decided to leave?

Also to those that actually come to this thread looking for validated information (not dank memes), were all of beps claims true?

 

[MrJolly16]

Seems they were, which is why they told him to be quiet same way they did with the Italian woman. She even confessed that publicly, she claimed they wouldn´t give her more lotion and she was aware that that happened because she was telling us how things were.

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Actually, they made an error in the patent and lotion C was equol alone and not PGE1. From page 9 of the attached document.

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Equol does really seem to be an option for adressing the dht problem but Brotzu also mentioned in his patent that equol or dgla alone are "useless" for hairloss and they only work in combination with eachother. Just to add equol in combination with a vehicle does probabely not work.

Hmm interesting. I stand corrected. Thank you for clarifying!

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Actually, they made an error in the patent and lotion C was equol alone and not PGE1. From page 9 of the attached document.

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Switzer, where did you find this document?

 

[Switzer]

Switzer, where did you find this document?

Found it here: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search...&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=

 

[mr_robot]

Regarding S-Equol being usless by itself, it all depends on context. As an inhibitor there is no mechanism to encourage re-growth however that does not mean it is not working, infact it may be working 100% at maintaining. People very rarely get re-growth from finasteride and those that get a slight improvement are most likely due to the 10% or so estrogen increase in serum.

I'd take what is written in the patent with a pinch of salt. The reason being that taking an existing compound and simply applying it for hair loss is n't patentable so they're not going to say it works and the patent does n't actually have to be truthful here and I doubt their methodology would spot maintenance anyway as the timescales seem to short.

 

[Agent]

Man, I would give my left nut for some news about this product:-0

Beps and everyone else who knew something bout the product went away just as Fidia posted the update in their news section. I bet they got asked by Fidia to stop talking or risk being excluded from the trails...

 

[itaiki]

y u all so naive

beps not coming back because he was a bored troll. we couldnt know if what he was saying was true or not, and than after fidia announcment we discovered that at least some of his 'inside knowledge' was inncorrect.

than he disapeared...

1+1= a**h**

 

[Agent]

@itaiki What inside knowledge is it that we found out was incorrect? He might have been a troll or he might just have been someone who actually knew a little bout the product but got spammed like sh*t and got called this and that by individuals like you. I guess we'll never know but both him and the AA woman went away after Fidias announcement.

 

[irishlad87]

Beps was given a legal document by fidia essentially telling him to stop talking about the product thats what he pmd me months ago when i asked him.

 

[Royaume]

Beps was given a legal document by fidia essentially telling him to stop talking about the product thats what he pmd me months ago when i asked him.

very nice that you come up with this information now? Why in the hell did you keep this information for yourself? If everyone keeps information in secret this cannot work!

I've also asked him what happened but I didn't get an answer so could you please tell us why you didn't tell us that beps is not allowed to talk.

 

[irishlad87]

Shut the f*** up, for a start i done be online as much as some creatures such as yourself on here as im busy with work alot and life , also i told beps i wouldnt say anything to the forum in the hope that he would give more info long term but i just seen that he has not been online in 14weeks so that angle has now gone out the window. I also dont scroll through the thread to read every message and its only now im seeing that this might be of interest. You give people info and this is the reply i get no wonder beps is gone.