Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Japnicks India]

Your statements would be ideal in a universe where large corporations didn’t operate unethically. Unfortunately that is not the world we live in. Many pharmaceutical companies as well as tech companies reverse engineer products and have extensive legal teams behind them to brainstorm how, if possible, they can move around patent laws. The belief that many companies all did their own extensive r&d and all came out with cures around the same time, is extremely nieve and untrue.

You started off very well, with the leaks and stuff. Later you blew up after mentioning Patents & copy.

If it was that easy son, then patents, ie Intellectual Property Rights Act would be useless & all cases related to them will be scraped on the first hearing.

@Arrade if fidia has employees with full head, imagine if full heads have a relative who is bald? That was a absurd reply. Yes, employees will sign non disclosure agreement but insider trading still happens.

First irrespective of the results, we are expecting it to release as if everything claimed by brotzu’s son is true.
1.I don’t believe unless i see the real photos, as far as alopecia areata girl. Dude in a case of areata with bald patches/whole, it grows back ONCE YOU TAKE IMMUNO SUPPRESSENTS & apply minoxidil unless it’s scaring alopecia areata.
Just read corticosteroids shots in the areata area to grow hair. Its because your immune system considers your hair follicles as an enemy, once immune system is weakend. It starts to build itself rather than fight & go rogue.
2.Wuwei tried to achieve the same, but i am skeptical.

ps,i’m a areata sufferer so that girl’s photo never excited me. only wuwei’s post seems exciting but it makes me wonder.

 

[Bitless]

To those who wake up and check what was discussed on this thread. Basically @Jumanji claims that Brotzu lotion is B.S. cuz non of the competitors paid off Fidia employees to leak the information to them so they can duplicate the lotion. @wc5269 expalined why no info had been leaked, though I'm not really sure who's right. And pretty much all of their conversations were off the Brotzu Lotion topic, they were talking about pattern laws.

Anyways, the days on Countdown clock is saying 9 more days!!!!!!!!

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[Bitless]

I’m simply stating that patents don’t stop companies from indirectly copying products. Patent law is extremely complex and simply stating “brotzu has a patent, you can’t infringe on it or you will go to jail” is so far from the truth. I haven’t reviewed his patent, but unless he has 8-10 patents on his product, it is extremely unlikely that no one would try to duplicate the solution. Admittedly, drugs are harder to copy, as you have to prove that your product is more effective than the previous, but this isn’t a drug. It’s a cocktail of a existing compounds. So my point stands. This patent means nothing for the protection or the prosumed validity of this product. It’s essentially a patent to prove its semi-legit.


Edit: I’m not even sure who holds the patent. If it’s Brotzu himself, and he is simply licensing the product out to the big production company, then the patent is useless as he would go bankrupt before his second court hearing trying to fight the patent infringement.

Why don't you go reviewed his patent before you post on this thread. If you do that your opinions will sounds much more convincing.

 

[wc5269]

I’m simply stating that patents don’t stop companies from indirectly copying products. Patent law is extremely complex and simply stating “brotzu has a patent, you can’t infringe on it or you will go to jail” is so far from the truth. I haven’t reviewed his patent, but unless he has 8-10 patents on his product, it is extremely unlikely that no one would try to duplicate the solution. Admittedly, drugs are harder to copy, as you have to prove that your product is more effective than the previous, but this isn’t a drug. It’s a cocktail of a existing compounds. So my point stands. This patent means nothing for the protection or the prosumed validity of this product. It’s essentially a patent to prove its semi-legit.


Edit: I’m not even sure who holds the patent. If it’s Brotzu himself, and he is simply licensing the product out to the big production company, then the patent is useless as he would go bankrupt before his second court hearing trying to fight the patent infringement.

Fidia owns the patent, Brotzu is listed as an inventor.

Earlier in response to you saying that competitors will indirectly copy the lotion, I said: "[Fidia has patented] a combination of ingredients that [they have] assumedly found to be the most efficacious combo, and they will be first-to-market given their head start. But you think there is big money in subsequently releasing an inferior product? You're overthinking this."

That's when you started saying all they had to do was add an inactive ingredient, and that's when it devolved into that whole debate. Even if it's cosmetic, I still believe a potential competitor would have to change/remove active ingredient to get around Fidia's patent. And again, if Fidia has determined the active combo that they patented is the most efficacious, this altered knockoff Brotzu Lotion would not be nearly as lucrative as you're implying. Brotzu Lotion would still dominate the market. Therefore, it wouldn't be worthwhile for a pharma or cosmetic company to even try to do it, and that's why I highly doubt there would be a black market for this clinical trial data even if the lotion was found to be very effective.

 

[wc5269]

With their patent, simply changing the dosages a bit and adding a few misc compounds, with manipulated data proving its more effective would be enough to break that patent. Formulation patents on derm lotions are common and they aren’t very difficult to crack.

So lets go back to your original point that Fidia's clinical data would be highly valuable to competitors and tons of Fidia employees would be selling it. Why would these competitors care about the clinical results? They would simply do what your saying after the fact, and just undercut Fidia's price-point to gain some of the market. It would be similar to a generic drug.

 

[Bitless]

@wc5269 @Jumanji guys plz stop arguing about this nonsense. If none of competitors did not undercut fidia, there must be some reason, Let's wait till April 14th. If it's legit, ready to praise Dr.Brotzu and it's not we can all move on and never trust fidia again.

 

[wc5269]

Because they would want to be the first to market. They would want to be “the brand”. The rogaine. The propecia. Etc.

Check the date on this thread man, Brotzu Lotion is "the brand" and has been for years now. If they were waiting on the results of this clinical data to make a decision to manufacture, they were already to late. Fidia had to work out stability issues with the lotion, there's no chance a competitor could have beat them to market.

You're just wrong about this clinical data being super valuable on the black market, simple as that.

 

[wc5269]

I’d say less than 1% of balding people know what brotzu lotion is. Probably less than .1%. The market is open. There are pharmaceutical companies that could take that product if it worked and mass produce it at a rate that would make fidia feel like a little brother.

It brings me back to my earlier post, the info would be leaked to a competitor. Once the data is released, it’s just a manufacturing issue.

Fidia is a pharma company. You're so overestimating what this lotion would mean to a big pharma's portfolio if you think they're taking black market clinical data (a 60 person clinical study at that) and rushing an alternative to market. If anything, it would be sold to some sketchy Chinese company. Just the idea of a Pfizer or JNJ doing what you're implying is so outrageous I don't know how anyone can rationally look at what you're saying as a reasonable reason to doubt the lotions potential efficacy. @Bitless is right, we have to quit this. We're not going to agree. Cheers.

 

[wc5269]

You proved my point. If it was a cure with concrete evidence in the form of data, they would. Since it has not happened. It’s unlikely to be a cure. Do you realize a cure to male pattern baldness, a condition men suffered for centuries, would be a holy grail? People would be killed over the information LITERALLY. But yes, agree to disagree.

Big Pharma doesn't give a f*** about male pattern baldness for a reason. They spit out Oncology and Diabetes drugs that makes billions more than a male pattern baldness cure ever will on the regular. Yet they're going to gamble their credibility on a 60 person clinical trial to get an extremely modest bump in their share price? Okay man. Okay.

Edit: And I also love how your whole patent argument just further confirms why a big pharma couldn't care less about this lotion even if it was a cure. Like you said, it could be reformulated a million times by any other company. It would essentially be a market instantly flooded with generics. Meanwhile, Gilead is selling 12 weeks of Sovaldi pills to insurance companies for $80,000.

 

[Japnicks India]

 

[Bitless]

You proved my point. If it was a cure with concrete evidence in the form of data, they would. Since it has not happened. It’s unlikely to be a cure. Do you realize a cure to male pattern baldness, a condition men suffered for centuries, would be a holy grail? People would be killed over the information LITERALLY. But yes, agree to disagree.

It's not a cure, even Dr.Brotzu said it's not a cure it's a type of new treatment. You clearly have wrong ideas about this lotion.

 

[Bitless]

If you read my original post I said it will be on the same level as the big 3, another “weapon in the arsenal”. The talk about a “cure” is just to simply the discussion, in my point that the results won’t be anything significant.

Then simply just wait for the 14th. You should said “treatment” not “cure” since big 3 are “treatment”.

 

[wc5269]

A cure for male pattern baldness would be any big pharmaceutical companies golden child. They would slap so many patents on it you wouldn’t be able to think about it without the presence of legal council. They would completely monopolize the market and sell one and done cure to millions for whatever price they want. Issuing private loans if they feel like it. They would make WAY more in profit than they ever could make selling diabetes medication. Cure for male pattern baldness would be a modest pump in share price? Shares would skyrocket. Please listen to what you’re saying. Re-read it a few times. The fact is, it’s not a cure, so you’re right, they do not care.

You've literally spent hours trying to convince everyone how meaningless Fidia's patent for this lotion is. Yet, a big pharma is going to somehow steal it and make it bulletproof? Okay, whatever you say.

Now if you're talking about a hypothetical cure for male pattern baldness that a big pharma develops on its own and gets a real patent for? You're absolutely right that it would be a blockbuster for that company. Here's the kicker: Big pharma companies are expected to release blockbuster drugs every couple of years. The fact that they will release these blockbuster drugs is already baked into their share price. One blockbuster isn't really going to move the needle for a JNJ, Merk, or Pfizer all that much.

The problem with a cure for male pattern baldness is two fold. First, It's not covered by insurance, so there is a limit to how much the market will pay for it. There are a ton of balding guys that could have a full head of hair if they got a hair transplant and went on finasteride, but they choose not to because of the cost. Not everyone is as obsessed as we are. Secondly, it's a one-off. They'd make a shitload of money for 15 years and then it would be over when the patent expired. Meanwhile, companies like Sanofi and Merk will continue to make billions for decades off of diabetes medication by making incremental improvements every ~10 years.

If you don't believe me, go look at the R&D budgets for any big pharma. None of them are investing big in male pattern baldness. Are all these fortune 100 executives idiots and you're so much smarter than them? Or is the cure for male pattern baldness just not that profitable for them compared to the major therapeutic areas?

I’m really trying my best to explain this to you as you clearly do not have a career in business, and clearly spend very limited time in a professional setting.

I'm in the industry and have a pharma-related masters from an Ivy. You think a random dude is this passionate about this nonsense? lol

 

[wc5269]

You have a pharma-related masters from an ivy. That has absolutely no relevance to this discussion as we are talking about patent law and business. The fact that big pharmaceutical companies don’t budget for male pattern baldness is exactly as you stated. They owe a duty to produce to their shareholders. They can’t tie up funds trying to produce a cure that may or may not be possible. That is literally suicide for the company. Using that to try to prove your point shows your weakness. Saying the cure to male pattern baldness isn’t that profitable is the most ridiculous thing you’ve stated thus far. There aren’t countless medications on the market to treat male pattern baldness as there are for cancer. The market is rather small. A cure is the holy grail. You’re right. The BOD of large pharm co are not dumb. They won’t risk their rep or their shareholder interest on chasing their tail with male pattern baldness. They will wait for a smaller pharm Co to find the cure then crush them. This was your first lesson in big business. You owe me no fees for this lesson.

Oncology might as well be a money printing machine for big pharma, you're clearly clueless if that's your opinion of it. Thanks for all your lessons mr. "big business."

 

[Bitless]

Oncology might as well be a money printing machine for big pharma, you're clearly clueless if that's your opinion of it. Thanks for all your lessons mr. "big business."

Who said oncology wasn’t extremely profitable? Seems like you’re reaching for straws here. As for the lesson, you’re welcome. Next one will cost you though.

Guys far as we know both of you guys can be right or wrong. Let’s keep things about brotzu.

 

[TONSofBODYHAIR]

You guys seriously think that big pharma cares abouy male pattern baldness? minoxidil and fina were discovered by accident and for 20 years now we had no new treatment to hit the market. Why?

Because men cant be vain. No they are not "allowed" by society to be vain. 95% of the population doesnt give a f*** about baldies and dont believe it should be treated or worth being treated. I asked 10 of my friends about treating male pattern baldness and they all went "just shave it bro" and so did my family. There was this nw4 friend of mine who had an extremely small head good donor and no crown balding and as i told him about hair transplants he basically told me to f*** off and he wouldnt waste a penny on any hair treatment. This guy is a 4 and with a hair transplant and some gym could rise easily to a 6.

Companies have JUST started investing on male pattern baldness because the new facebook/insta/twitter generations will have a really f*****g hard time accepting baldness and this is the moment money rolls in. The most vain generation on planet earth is being raised right now and in 3-6 years they will be in dire need of proper efficient treatments.

And lastly lets hear it again brotzu lotion was another accidental discovery, made for treating diabetes and for all of you doubting its efficacy, remember minoxidil acts on the same PGE1 pathway and vasolidates and can regrow almost all hair back on good responders.

Why a lotion with so many attacking angles fail miserably? I dont know man im just balding so fast i still got limp dick from finasteride 1 month later and minoxidil doesnt seem to be working, i need this to work and marketed asap

 

[INT]

We're living in an era where women control Politics, in the era where feminists want you to be falsely accused of rape if you were not Chad enough, they even want to change the law, look at Sweden consent laws, f*****g bullshit, soon they will need consent forms.

I'm sick of #metoo bullshit, on every damn TV talk show those angry feminst tell that looking at women is sexual harassment (if you are ugly) or that you're guilty until you are proven innocent BS.

Men just have become pussies, just look at your self-victimizing behavior.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." - Don Shula

I am just as sick of hearing guys like you blaming women for everything as I am sick of feminazis

 

[Bitless]

I don’t think it’s about men became pussies. Look became a huge thing for a man too.

 

[Bitless]

tfw you wake up to 80 new posts in this thread and think there was a major update
Getting more nervous day by day, hope I can get some sleep on april 13th

I have a bad feeling about this lotion but my bad feeling always brings good results. So let’s wait few more days!

 

[Alternative]

Men just have become pussies, just look at your self-victimizing behavior.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." - Don Shula

I am just as sick of hearing guys like you blaming women for everything as I am sick of feminazis

Sounds like masochism to me.

I don't blame women, just feminazis, it's sad seeing normal girls I know being brainwashed by their feminazi friends.
And I wanted to make a point that looks matter in today's society, more than ever. Anyways, it was a stupid comment so I deleted it.

Speaking of coping mechanisms, they are:
1. Beat the sh*t out of things or people.
2. Ignore the problem.
3. Blame others.
4. Blame youself.
5. Accepting the values or opinons of others.
6. Overthinking.
7. Projecting your negative traits, thoughts, behaviour to others.
8. Getting lost in creativity
9. Change what causes you pain with something else.

Psychology 101

THIS IS OFF-TOPIC, SO I"M OUT.

 

[17AndBalding]

I have a bad feeling about this lotion but my bad feeling always brings good results. So let’s wait few more days!

I'm going in with expecting the chance of this being not what it's made out to be 80%. I believe for 15% that I will be applying this to replace minoxidil or use with minoxidil for only maintenance later in the year. Finally 5% that this will get me almost all my hair back and that this year is the last year of worrying about hair loss. I am hoping for the last but I seriously can't picture it happening but we hope.

 

[Olgu]

This lotion is like buying a lottery ticket.

You know that the chances to win are almost nothing, but you still picture yourself in a fancy house (or in this case with a full head of hair).

 

[Alternative]

You know that the chances to win are almost nothing...

when using Rogaine.

 

[whatevr]

If this lotion works, I'm going to print out a life-sized portrait of Dr. Brotzu and hang it on the wall in my room. Then, when the women I catch with my stylish new NW1 ask me "Is that your grandfather?", I'm going to say "NO b**ch! THAT'S THE HAIR JESUS, AND HE LIVED FOR OUR FOLLICLES! HALLELUJAH!"

 

[MaestroTR]

Just wondering, are you going to buy the lotion when it comes out or wait 3 or 4 months to see its results on public?

 

[Arrade]

Just wondering, are you going to buy the lotion when it comes out or wait 3 or 4 months to see its results on public?

Immediately

 

[Dangman]

Just wondering, are you going to buy the lotion when it comes out or wait 3 or 4 months to see its results on public?

I will light candles, buy some roses and shower in the lotion

 

[RU serious]

 

[17AndBalding]

What do you guys think about what it says in the patent about lotion A? Basically saying after 90 days group 1 had full regrowth of balding area. Hope that’s the solution they’re bringing to market..

It is weird though that it says basically full regrowth after just 3 months while Beps claimed it takes around 18 months to see 5 year regrowth, and usually it does take a few years for an area to thin significantly. I have hair up to my original hairline little longer than vellus so according to the patent I should regrow it all in just 3 months, which seems unlikely.