Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Educated guess. Past is prologue. What evidence do you have that they are “on track?” We don’t have tangible evidence that the treatment truly works at halting hair loss, and even less that it could cause regrowth.

Also, we are in the fourth month of 2018. 2018, the magical wondrous year that was alleged to transform the hair loss industry. How many of you truly believe things are going to be any different or that there will be legitimate, effective new treatments on December 5, 2018?

Not an educated guess. Past is prologue is bullshit, let's be critical and look at the specific nuances of the technology at hand rather than smear it with the failures of unrelated people, science and business strategy.

Data readout from Shiseido's plase 2 in June. You can complain about it being the fourth month, but unless they suggest a delay, they appear on track.

Phase 1 showed hair counts mildly above baseline AFTER TWO YEARS since single injection. That is closer than any other single piece of evidence we have thus far regarding new treatment efficacy. It also bodes well for success.

The treatment was never marketed as something that offers regrowth. This is the official stance of the company. Immunization, not regrowth. Speculatively, dermarolling/wounding may work much better on an immunized region than a balding region.

Why not wait till June before providing an emotion-driven conclusion to new users?

There are no guarantees, I'm with you there. But don't lose hope for the sake of avoiding pain. Let's give everyone a fair chance. If they're carrying out the study now and say data in June and initial release this year, that is very reasonable since we know in Japan, they can legally release after phase 2. We will also have a better idea of efficacy by June. But you know, Replicel has spent a lot of time working with animals to show where the cells migrate and integrate themselves within follicles, which is not something people here care about but it is work that shows in part the mechanism of the approach. Now either human skin is totally different and injected cells will not do the same (untrue; Cots suggests mouse follicles and skin are very similar to human skin), and the phase I data is total BS (keeping hair counts above or at baseline for TWO years is abnormal considering the progressive nature of hair loss), or there is sound reasoning to expect at least partial success (i.e. we almost got it right but we may need to optimize X) with phase II.

 

[Kev123]

How many of you tell your friends, family, and your social media feeds about the forthcoming Italian hair loss lotion? And if you don’t, why not?

Let the joyous news be spread. You’ve got an inside track.

I can't say anything because if it doesn't work I would look like one of those clueless idiots that recommend things for hair loss that their hair stylist cousin told them about, that actually doesn't work on male pattern baldness.

With finasteride/min I have pics to show from websites like bernstein medical and so on. If this lotion works, and it works better than the big 3, not just slows down male pattern baldness, I will certainly spread the news.

Hell even if this only works for alopecia areata I would be so glad because I have both male pattern baldness and aa and I know how to stop male pattern baldness and regrow hair (somewhat), but I don't know how to regrow my hair I lost from alopecia areata. So people would be disappointed if this doesn't work for male pattern baldness and it's only for aa, but I won't be one of those disappointed people.

 

[hanginginthewire]

Not an educated guess. Past is prologue is bullshit, let's be critical and look at the specific nuances of the technology at hand rather than smear it with the failures of unrelated people, science and business strategy.

Data readout from Shiseido's plase 2 in June. You can complain about it being the fourth month, but unless they suggest a delay, they appear on track.

Phase 2 showed hair counts mildly above baseline AFTER TWO YEARS since single injection. That is closer than any other single piece of evidence we have thus far regarding new treatment efficacy. It also bodes well for success.

The treatment was never marketed as something that offers regrowth. This is the official stance of the company. Immunization, not regrowth. Speculatively, dermarolling/wounding may work much better on an immunized region than a balding region.

Why not wait till June before providing an emotion-driven conclusion to new users?

There are no guarantees, I'm with you there. But don't lose hope for the sake of avoiding pain. Let's give everyone a fair chance. If they're carrying out the study now and say data in June and initial release this year, that is very reasonable since we know in Japan, they can legally release after phase 2. We will also have a better idea of efficacy by June. But you know, Replicel has spent a lot of time working with animals to show where the cells migrate and integrate themselves within follicles, which is not something people here care about but it is work that shows in part the mechanism of the approach. Now either human skin is totally different and injected cells will not do the same (untrue; Cots suggests mouse follicles and skin are very similar to human skin), and the phase I data is total BS (keeping hair counts above or at baseline for TWO years is abnormal considering the progressive nature of hair loss), or there is sound reasoning to expect at least partial success (i.e. we almost got it right but we may need to optimize X) with phase II.

Phase this, Phase that, I’m tired of it.

It seems pretty clear that Replicel is a scam company. Personally I doubt they had the brainpower to even develop a treatment that “inoculates” our hair against pattern baldness. I watched a video of a science dude from Replicel defending the lackluster results of one of their trials and he just kept taking about not following “the protocol.” Big fuzz word. And something about participants having materials shipped to them and the degradation that resulted. Amateur, excuse-making, and broken promises.

And I’m aware that Shiseido is behind RCH-01 now, but I figure they are just as sketchy. Only difference is they have the cash to blow on the RCH-01 “treatment” on the off .0000000001 chance that something comes of it.

 

[BootyWarrior]

Been checking profiles of posters spreading negativity in this thread over and over again. Guess what they share in common, They all are on finasteride lmao There goes another side effect.

 

[Bitless]

Phase this, Phase that, I’m tired of it.

It seems pretty clear that Replicel is a scam company. Personally I doubt they had the brainpower to even develop a treatment that “inoculates” our hair against pattern baldness. I watched a video of a science dude from Replicel defending the lackluster results of one of their trials and he just kept taking about not following “the protocol.” Big fuzz word. And something about participants having materials shipped to them and the degradation that resulted. Amateur, excuse-making, and broken promises.

And I’m aware that Shiseido is behind RCH-01 now, but I figure they are just as sketchy. Only difference is they have the cash to blow on the RCH-01 “treatment” on the off .0000000001 chance that something comes of it.

One of the biggest cosmetic company bought RCH-01 without knowing that it's promising? LOL What do you know about Shiseido and if you don't how can you call them sketchy I think you are just butt hurt baldies that can't have any good cosmetic effects on current or developing treatments. LMAO

 

[Jonnyyy]

This is the farthest I’ve ever gotten with a guy. Let me go change my panties real quick.

We can just massage each other's scalps and get eroctions once the follicles start to grow.

 

[Arrade]

How many of you tell your friends, family, and your social media feeds about the forthcoming Italian hair loss lotion? And if you don’t, why not?

Let the joyous news be spread. You’ve got an inside track.

I’ve actually told family and friends

 

[Dontwannabeabetabob]

I’ve actually told family and friends

What did they say? I'm panicking thinking about how I'm going to hide RU from the roommate in the freezer once it comes tomorrow...Idk how you do it.

 

[hanginginthewire]

Yeah, what did they say?

 

[Kev123]

Yeah, what did they say?

 

[NW2.5372846]

7 days left guys!

 

[Arrade]

7 days left guys!

No, by saturday it will be 7 days

 

[Arrade]

I'm normally someone who doesn't care what others think, I also don't really care about others...
Anyways, I explained the science to my family and while out drinking talked about it with my baldly balding friend.
My buddies knew I cared about my hairloss (but it's currently minor) and they were trying to console me and I informed about Brotzu and how it will save me.
I guess a big part of it is my belief that Brotzu will restore my recession and keep me hairloss free 5ever. It's like, yeah my hairline is bad now but in a year I'll be NW0

 

[Ollie]

I actually told a friend i was at school with about the lotion who is actually a Doctor

 

[Sam1]

@Ollie what did your dr friend think of Brotion? Legit?

 

[Arrade]

What did they say? I'm panicking thinking about how I'm going to hide RU from the roommate in the freezer once it comes tomorrow...Idk how you do it.

Be like "Hey man, DO NOT put this on your dick."

 

[hanginginthewire]

I'm normally someone who doesn't care what others think, I also don't really care about others...
Anyways, I explained the science to my family and while out drinking talked about it with my baldly balding friend.
My buddies knew I cared about my hairloss (but it's currently minor) and they were trying to console me and I informed about Brotzu and how it will save me.
I guess a big part of it is my belief that Brotzu will restore my recession and keep me hairloss free 5ever. It's like, yeah my hairline is bad now but in a year I'll be NW0

You truly think they Brotzu can truly cure your hair loss? You don’t feel there’s any fantasy/coping element to what you’ve written here?

And I hope my questions don’t come across as an attack. I understand the need to cling to hope.

I just marvel that so many of you are so positive that this is something legitimate.

 

[Arrade]

You truly think they Brotzu can truly cure your hair loss? You don’t feel there’s any fantasy/coping element to what you’ve written here?

And I hope my questions don’t come across as an attack. I understand the need to cling to hope.

I just marvel that so many of you are so positive that this is something legitimate.

It really don't seem like a scam. I mean, you put out scientific studies showing S-Equol negates DHT, and also is a 13-fold agonist at the Estrogen Beta receptor (the kind good for hair), plus @The 7TH Sense post showing PGE1 to act like minoxidil.
I just don't know why they would arrange to talk at a dermatological conference, or spend two years developing it if it was nothing.
Brotzu is also a tenured professor and old vascular surgeon, I feel like old people are more concerned with their legacy than some sleazy cash.
I guess I just think it's better to be optimistic.

 

[IdealForehead]

Just FYI if anyone's interested, I started a new thread on DIY equol solutions, as I think equol is the #1 most important thing from this formulation, and I see no reason to wait forever for this to be sold publicly before taking advantage.

Equol: A Natural DHT Binder and the Primary Ingredient in Brotzu

1% equol powder mixed into 5% minoxidil should likely do the trick. I'll be starting 1% once my powder arrives.

 

[Bitless]

BTW Doctors may understand the theories of new drugs or treatments but they don't know shits about if it's going to work or not.

 

[Ollie]

@Ollie what did your dr friend think of Brotion? Legit?

Well we actually went through all the ingredients and looked at the published science on each and he said on paper it does all make a lot of sense and doesn't see why it shouldn't work. However, he also said that there is a huge amount of stuff that on paper in medicine makes sense but doesn't reflect true in real life - also stating that theres also stuff however that shouldn't work in theory but for some unexplainable reason does in practice.

He did say that Alopecia of all kinds is still a big unknown and simply being a doctor isn't enough to make you credited to comment on it - as there are even professors who literally spend years studying very specific areas of the body who still cant give definitive answers to problems.

Bottom line: who f*****g knows. 8 days.

 

[Junior2491]

Just FYI if anyone's interested, I started a new thread on DIY equol solutions, as I think equol is the #1 most important thing from this formulation, and I see no reason to wait forever for this to be sold publicly before taking advantage.

Equol: A Natural DHT Binder and the Primary Ingredient in Brotzu

1% equol powder mixed into 5% minoxidil should likely do the trick. I'll be starting 1% once my powder arrives.

Sounds interesting but isn't the liposome delivery important to avoid it going systemic and getting sides?