Jumping In To The Fight! Protocol Thoughts?

[Genericman]

Howdy!

I'm new at this and I see I still have a ton of reading to go through to get a handle on this whole hair loss thing. Anyway, while I'm reading I figure I should be doing something about it as well. Here is what I've come up with so far.

1. minoxidil! Hey, everybody is doing it, right?! Lipogaine caught my eye but is there another brand I should be using, something better?
2. Kerastase Stemoxydine 5%. Seem like a good long term solution.
3. RU or CB? Because there are too many sides stories about finasteride. Plan on mixing with the Lipogaine.
4. Purador. Might as well wash my hair with something that might help.
5. ??? Because I know some of you out there will tell me to include something that I'm missing here. Cool.

I guess my next big question would be, where to shop? Just found Kane's shop, more research on what he is selling!!

Also, because I forgot to ask, dosage? What is a good starting dosage?

lol, I keep updating this page as I find new info. I'm not worried about the financial side of this but the results.

Appreciate all the help and thanks to the admin for this website!

Genericman

 

[Bigbone]

I honestly don't know much about RU or CB, but with recent updates on CB that would be my personal choice. If you end up going with CB please give us some updates.

I can't help you with suppliers, but I've read that Kane is shady.

Other than that there's not much to say about the other products. I strongly believe that you need to treat the root of the problem otherwise nothing will last in the long-run.

 

[Derelict]

Just try finasteride/dutasteride, if you get sides that are unbearable then stop and you will be fine, mix it with nizoral 3x a week. Try for a year and asses your hair, if you are not where you want to be then add minoxidil. You can start minoxidil at the start if you want but for me it has more prominent sides than finasteride, plus you may be tacking something on to your regime that's not needed, i know it only takes 5 mins to apply but still. Anyway, good luck.

 

[Genericman]

I honestly don't know much about RU or CB, but with recent updates on CB that would be my personal choice. If you end up going with CB please give us some updates.

I can't help you with suppliers, but I've read that Kane is shady.

Other than that there's not much to say about the other products. I strongly believe that you need to treat the root of the problem otherwise nothing will last in the long-run.

Yeah, I've read a few posts about CB being safer than RU so I'll probably go that route. However, I've recently read about something called, "Daro." Not sure what it is but I think it was el_duterino who said that it was the most powerful... but the most powerful what? Anyway, more reading to do.

I've gotten mixed reviews on Kane. Although, if he was shady then I think Admin might step in and post a warning... more reading I suppose. The problem is that Kane is the only supplier I've found on this board so far.

What do you feel is the root of the problem?

Just try finasteride/dutasteride, if you get sides that are unbearable then stop and you will be fine, mix it with nizoral 3x a week.

So you're saying start slow and work your way up instead of starting off with covering the basics? Also, do you mean mix it in a nizoral solution or add it to my protocol? I've found nizoral shampoo but I haven't seen a straight solution for it which is why I asked the previous questions.

Thank you both for the feedback! I greatly appreciate it!

Genericman

 

[abcdefg]

Im just going to be the voice of reason here, and mention your skipping an FDA approved drug to take CB or RU from some random Chinese supplier overseas where quality control may or may not exist.
Everyone is different just IMO the FDA drug is a smarter bet than untested chemicals even if they are topical, and CB does have a few small studies showing it works. The CB issue is there are no legit suppliers, and it could have sides still but we dont know what they are yet.

 

[Genericman]

Im just going to be the voice of reason here, and mention your skipping an FDA approved drug to take CB or RU from some random Chinese supplier overseas where quality control may or may not exist.

Don't think I haven't considered this. I've only been at this a couple of days and I've read several OPINIONS (read personal horror stories, not lab results) on finasteride. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'd like to try something but I don't need something that is going to mess with my head or my junk (already checked with the GF on the later, big no!)
I'd certainly like to start something and I haven't read about anything with zero side effects so I'm taking it with a grain of salt that there might be issues.

Oh, this is what I know about suppliers so far.
1. Kane
2. Zhechem
3. Some guy named Gang Lou

I guess I'm just assuming that the veterans here have found good sources to make their purchases. Also, with all of the reading I've been doing it seems like there are a ton of options out there for treating hair loss but getting your hands on the actual product is the challenge... once you FINALLY settle in your regimen.

Thanks abcdefg, I appreciate the guidance!

Genericman

 

[Alphalete]

Never understood the reasoning behind going for some random chinese chemicals rather than FDA approved treatments lol

 

[abcdefg]

Never understood the reasoning behind going for some random chinese chemicals rather than FDA approved treatments lol

Right. There are a hundred people on CB and RU. There are millions on finasteride for 20 years. What one will have more sides known and documented? I am not saying finasteride is safe for everyone, or that topical is maybe not a better way to approach male pattern baldness. I am just saying CB holds a lot of potential, but its too early to say if it could have sides or have a legit supplier. Until then I think finasteride is the better choice.
Ask your doctor or derm what they recommend. I think they will say FDA treatment.

 

[Genericman]

There are a hundred people on CB and RU. There are millions on finasteride for 20 years.

Yeah, considering the numbers finasteride could be the safer of the two. I can't see a doctor recommending much of anything that is talked about here except for the stuff that is already approved. Although, I'm just one of the new dumb guys and not a doctor.

Ok, so take finasteride for a spin! What about the rest of the protocol? Shampoo? What kind of minoxidil should I get? I thought Lipogaine looked like a good idea but that is one of many! I've been reading about people having good results using Zix. However, I haven't done any kind of research... just anecdotal. Also, there seems to be a love/hate relationship with Stemox. I do realize that some of this stuff works for some and not others and I shouldn't get upset until I give product X a try. I guess the problem would be giving up before the product has had a chance to work. Six months to a year seems to be a good window.... so much to think about.

Thanks again for the advice, much appreciated.

Genericman

 

[Alphalete]

Zix is garbage, just take the big 3.

 

[Bigbone]

Yeah, I've read a few posts about CB being safer than RU so I'll probably go that route. However, I've recently read about something called, "Daro." Not sure what it is but I think it was el_duterino who said that it was the most powerful... but the most powerful what? Anyway, more reading to do.

I've gotten mixed reviews on Kane. Although, if he was shady then I think Admin might step in and post a warning... more reading I suppose. The problem is that Kane is the only supplier I've found on this board so far.

What do you feel is the root of the problem?

Remember that probably all of these suppliers costumers are one these forums, and they're well aware of that. IIRC there was one experienced member on here who promoted RU, turned out he had connections to Kane. It's not hard to make an account and claim stuff.

If you want to go the safe route, finasteride is your best option in my opinion. If you get sides you stop. The only thing about finasteride that's worrying is being on it for a long period of time.

Well, maybe not the root of the problem since that would be our genetics. You need an AA, otherwise your follicles will continue to take damage.

 

[abcdefg]

Remember that probably all of these suppliers costumers are one these forums, and they're well aware of that. IIRC there was one experienced member on here who promoted RU, turned out he had connections to Kane. It's not hard to make an account and claim stuff.

If you want to go the safe route, finasteride is your best option in my opinion. If you get sides you stop. The only thing about finasteride that's worrying is being on it for a long period of time.

Well, maybe not the root of the problem since that would be our genetics. You need an AA, otherwise your follicles will continue to take damage.

Yeah long term is probably the biggest unknown, but again there are men on it right now that have been on for 20 years. They are doing fine. There is a 10 year study on men using it for 10 years! You have at least 10-20 years before you approach new territory, and even then guys will have been on it for 40!
Not to mention the pseudo hermaphradites are what finasteride was modeled on, and they live normal length lives exactly matching the hormonal profile of someone on finasteride. You never know for sure, of course, but its not like your the first person to use it a long time.Before 10 years CB will be out to replace it.

 

[Genericman]

I suppose the big thing I need to research is the number of people taking it and how many of them are having sides... percentages. lol, it's annoying as hell having this dilemma but at least I have options!

More reading!!!

Genericman

 

[Panda89]

The reasoning has been mentioned many times on this forum: only the people who get sides would keep coming back to internet forums for help. And I believe side effects are very real for some people and I don’t want to discredit what they are saying or encourage anybody I don’t know to start taking any type of medicines.

My personal opinion is that only a small percentage get the side effects, 1% of a million people is 10000 people, not even including the ones that get their sides from placebo effects. Just last night I saw a post by someone who is suffering from sexual sides from just having the prescription for finasteride...

I started following the tried and true treatment of the big 3 after seeing a doctor: finasteride 1mg daily, minoxidil 5% 2ml daily (twice a day, too much of it can increase the chances of getting some annoying side effects like water retention in the face or racing heart beats), and shampoo that contains ketoconazole 2% which I use 3 times a week. I’m also doing 6 sessions of PRP and laser… which I kind of regret since I don’t feel like my progress is any faster than the majority of the people who just simply followed the big 3.

I get the appeal of alternative treatments, but I agree with the people above that recommended the FDA approved treatment for you to start