Keto might replace Propecia for some

[Plzhelp]

I've learned quite a bit about the different treatments of hair loss, and I understand this forum is extremely pro Propecia. I fully understand that because it works extremely well, but for those who do have issues with side effects, I've been doing a lot of reading and one thing I've learned a good bit about is Keto. A general overview of it's affects both topically and orally can be found here: http://www.progressivehealth.com/nizoral-shampoo.htm

But one thing in particular I think a lot of people miss when studying it is that it isn't affective because it doesn't absorb well enough to block DHT. The thing is that this isn't why it works. Instead, it blocks DHT from binding to the receptors. This stops it from harming hair follicles without needing to stop the actual production of DHT and doesn't cause all the side effects.

But of course, that's just what I get out of it. What do you think?

 

[tab531]

no.. keto alone will not stop male pattern baldness..... your reaching buddy

 

[mandatswack]

Not sure how that study can claim that Keto "outperforms minoxidil solution and has an effectiveness comparable to finasteride" when they didn't even test Keto by itself but did with minoxidil. The Keto was only used in combination with finasteride.

 

[abcdefg]

Its all about how strongly does it block or interfere with DHT? People vastly underestimate how much you need to stop androgen to actually stop or majorly slow male pattern baldness. You cant stop 15 percent of DHT and halt male pattern baldness you need major drastic alterations like around castration level or as close as you can get to stop it. Even propecia isnt strong enough in a lot of cases. I doubt nizoral is nearly strong enough at 1 or 2 percent keto to make a major difference in terms of the androgen component

 

[Plzhelp]

Its all about how strongly does it block or interfere with DHT? People vastly underestimate how much you need to stop androgen to actually stop or majorly slow male pattern baldness. You cant stop 15 percent of DHT and halt male pattern baldness you need major drastic alterations like around castration level or as close as you can get to stop it. Even propecia isnt strong enough in a lot of cases. I doubt nizoral is nearly strong enough at 1 or 2 percent keto to make a major difference in terms of the androgen component

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. I really hope it isn't because of the percentage since that's irrelevant to the potency of keto. Especially since no one knows how much is needed to do the job. 1% may be all that's needed.

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Not sure how that study can claim that Keto "outperforms minoxidil solution and has an effectiveness comparable to finasteride" when they didn't even test Keto by itself but did with minoxidil. The Keto was only used in combination with finasteride.

I really don't know of a study that says that, though there has been one that proves minoxidil and keto can outperform MINIX and finasteride. Of course, I'm not sure why everyone isn't excited by the news instead of so defensive. Do many of you own finasteride stock?

 

[mandatswack]

I really don't know of a study that says that, though there has been one that proves minoxidil and keto can outperform MINIX and finasteride. Of course, I'm not sure why everyone isn't excited by the news instead of so defensive. Do many of you own finasteride stock?

The study I'm talking about is the one that is in your own article...Scroll down to comparative studies. The most successful hair growth came from minoxidil+finasteride, followed by finasteride+Keto. Simply taking minoxidil came in last and there wasn't even a study on taking just Keto. I think the common factor here is finasteride and I'm not even being biased or defensive because I've never even taken it.

 

[TD500]

If keto at 2% was able to do what finasteride did I doubt anyone would be on finasteride right now.

 

[jd_uk]

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. I really hope it isn't because of the percentage since that's irrelevant to the potency of keto. Especially since no one knows how much is needed to do the job. 1% may be all that's needed.

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I really don't know of a study that says that, though there has been one that proves minoxidil and keto can outperform MINIX and finasteride. Of course, I'm not sure why everyone isn't excited by the news instead of so defensive. Do many of you own finasteride stock?

Where is the study that says monox and keto can outperforn minoxidil and finasteride please?

 

[Plzhelp]

Where is the study that says monox and keto can outperforn minoxidil and finasteride please?

It was another post that had the study linked. I really didn't even read it, so I don't know 100% to be honest, but I can't find it at the moment. If I do, I'll definitely add it. It was on this forum.

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If keto at 2% was able to do what finasteride did I doubt anyone would be on finasteride right now.

I mean I don't know. I've just read quite a few success stories. I was really only trying to let people know who may have side effects on Propecia. Some say there could still be the same side effects, but I don't think that's been proven.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It was another post that had the study linked. I really didn't even read it, so I don't know 100% to be honest, but I can't find it at the moment. If I do, I'll definitely add it. It was on this forum.

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I mean I don't know. I've just read quite a few success stories. I was really only trying to let people know who may have side effects on Propecia. Some say there could still be the same side effects, but I don't think that's been proven.

Nizoral success stories?

 

[Plzhelp]

If keto at 2% was able to do what finasteride did I doubt anyone would be on finasteride right now.

I mean I don't know. I've just read quite a few success stories. I was really only trying to let people know who may have side effects on Propecia. Some say there could still be the same side effects, but I don't think that's been proven.

 

[wilson2]

There's an interesting study where it showed Nizoral + Rogaine to be as effective as taking 1mg propecia a day alone. Now I don't know at what point they did this study up to. (Probably not very long term, I bet a year). I personally would try to hit the angle from more than just the Nizoral angle. I've been looking into S5 cream lately along with setipiprant. I'm not a good candidate for Propecia due to health anxieties.

 

[Plzhelp]

First, I will say to use Keto and Min together and just Google it man. Lol. I don't have time to find every link I read.

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There's an interesting study where it showed Nizoral + Rogaine to be as effective as taking 1mg propecia a day alone. Now I don't know at what point they did this study up to. (Probably not very long term, I bet a year). I personally would try to hit the angle from more than just the Nizoral angle. I've been looking into S5 cream lately along with setipiprant. I'm not a good candidate for Propecia due to health anxieties.

Oh yeah, I would suggest min as well. I was just curious what other people thought.

 

[Iopu]

Nizoral success stories?

Tbh I wouldnt believe a nizoral success story. Its pretty weak (I do use it).