Lace system attached with glue only... really that bad?

[doubleindemnity]

You are making your life so difficult by avoiding tape, my friend; and, evidently, Poly is hazardous to health too...

I don't see how your hair isn't getting adhesive on it during these lifts, no matter how short.

Is that your process for cleaning your head w C22 or your piece?

I just spray C22 on my head, let it work a bit, & wipe w a towel. I usually have to do it another time or 2, then I jump in the shower and wash my scalp w Dish Detergent.

Removing the junk from my toupee is much more cumbersome. What's your process?

Even w/ poly, I'm finding the glue removal process to be a quite destructive to my pieces. Saw a video in which Rapid Release was used and the way the adhesive literally fell of the poly system was astounding. It's a low-oil formula.

But what are the ingredients of tape? I wouldn't be comfortable using it until I can know.

I wear a hat the whole time so the lift doesn't cause a problem. The only time the hair could stick to it is while I am reattaching, and I am very careful then. And the adhesive is dead so hairs wouldn't even stick to it. If it lifts at the front or back, the hair and the system still stays in position. Only if I ruffle the hair or take off a t shirt or something will the system actually lift. And it's anchored by the middle, which stays down, so I can just push down the back or front to handle the lift until I can get back to safety and reapply the glue.

My removal and reattach process is this.
-use C22 to remove the system. Spray C22 on your head and on to the base. Wait a few minutes and shampoo the head. Then put start cleaning the base with a scourer and hands. Now put more C22 on the head because there will be adhesive left over. You might need more on the base and to go back and clean off adhesive. Then wash the head with soap the base too. I use a soap bar here but here you might use dish soap. At this point the base should be clean enough. Finish off by shampooing your head to clean off any final bits of C22 and adhesive, and shampoo the system here now if you want. Leave the system to dry. Aim to take one more shower and shampoo your head once more before putting the system back on. I take a day without a system on usually. When the base is dry, you can pick off any leftover bits of adhesive but you won't get it 100% clean. I can do that whole thing from system on to system off with head clean and system drying in 30-40 minutes. Then later in the week it's another 30-40 minutes to prepare the head and attach the system. A very cheap price to pay for having hair, in my opinion.

 

[Fanjeera]

You mention the glue on your head is "inert." I understand it's not fresh, white, drippy glue, but it's still sticky; and the hairs that get rubbed into that matter do get affected, in my experience. Not beyond repair - but in a way which warrants intervention.

Also, when you re-do your front and back after they lift, do you clean your scalp first or apply the glue on top of what's there?

I dont do any cleaning in the back, but just add another 4 layers. Then it won't lift anymore before the reattachment. Front doesnt lift luckily. But if it does rarely, then if it's just a bit i just add, but when an a lot then i clean the old one off before.

Would love to know what others do. What do you do?

 

[noblesources]

I dont do any cleaning in the back, but just add another 4 layers. Then it won't lift anymore before the reattachment. Front doesnt lift luckily. But if it does rarely, then if it's just a bit i just add, but when an a lot then i clean the old one off before.

Would love to know what others do

Why do you not use tape? I get not using it for the hairline if you expose it for a slickback, but taping the sides and back seems infinitely easier unless you have an allergic reaction to tape

 

[Fanjeera]

But what are the ingredients of tape? I wouldn't be comfortable using it until I can know.

I wear a hat the whole time so the lift doesn't cause a problem. The only time the hair could stick to it is while I am reattaching, and I am very careful then. And the adhesive is dead so hairs wouldn't even stick to it. If it lifts at the front or back, the hair and the system still stays in position. Only if I ruffle the hair or take off a t shirt or something will the system actually lift. And it's anchored by the middle, which stays down, so I can just push down the back or front to handle the lift until I can get back to safety and reapply the glue.

My removal and reattach process is this.
-use C22 to remove the system. Spray C22 on your head and on to the base. Wait a few minutes and shampoo the head. Then put start cleaning the base with a scourer and hands. Now put more C22 on the head because there will be adhesive left over. You might need more on the base and to go back and clean off adhesive. Then wash the head with soap the base too. I use a soap bar here but here you might use dish soap. At this point the base should be clean enough. Finish off by shampooing your head to clean off any final bits of C22 and adhesive, and shampoo the system here now if you want. Leave the system to dry. Aim to take one more shower and shampoo your head once more before putting the system back on. I take a day without a system on usually. When the base is dry, you can pick off any leftover bits of adhesive but you won't get it 100% clean. I can do that whole thing from system on to system off with head clean and system drying in 30-40 minutes. Then later in the week it's another 30-40 minutes to prepare the head and attach the system. A very cheap price to pay for having hair, in my opinion.

A scourer? That metal thing? Doesn't it pull the hair through to the wrong side? Never thought of using that item. Should try maybe. But even a toothbrush is too harsh in my experience.

 

[Fanjeera]

Why do you not use tape? I get not using it for the hairline if you expose it for a slickback, but taping the sides and back seems infinitely easier unless you have an allergic reaction to tape

Afraid of toxcisity. And what if it lifts with tape? Not possible to add tape.

 

[TooBad]

But what are the ingredients of tape? I wouldn't be comfortable using it until I can know.

I wear a hat the whole time so the lift doesn't cause a problem. The only time the hair could stick to it is while I am reattaching, and I am very careful then. And the adhesive is dead so hairs wouldn't even stick to it. If it lifts at the front or back, the hair and the system still stays in position. Only if I ruffle the hair or take off a t shirt or something will the system actually lift. And it's anchored by the middle, which stays down, so I can just push down the back or front to handle the lift until I can get back to safety and reapply the glue.

My removal and reattach process is this.
-use C22 to remove the system. Spray C22 on your head and on to the base. Wait a few minutes and shampoo the head. Then put start cleaning the base with a scourer and hands. Now put more C22 on the head because there will be adhesive left over. You might need more on the base and to go back and clean off adhesive. Then wash the head with soap the base too. I use a soap bar here but here you might use dish soap. At this point the base should be clean enough. Finish off by shampooing your head to clean off any final bits of C22 and adhesive, and shampoo the system here now if you want. Leave the system to dry. Aim to take one more shower and shampoo your head once more before putting the system back on. I take a day without a system on usually. When the base is dry, you can pick off any leftover bits of adhesive but you won't get it 100% clean. I can do that whole thing from system on to system off with head clean and system drying in 30-40 minutes. Then later in the week it's another 30-40 minutes to prepare the head and attach the system. A very cheap price to pay for having hair, in my opinion.

The ingredients, in tape, are the same as their liquid counterpart with the addition of a plastic substrate.

 

[noblesources]

Afraid of toxcisity. And what if it lifts with tape? Not possible to add tape.

Never heard of tape lifting on sides and back or at least I never had that issue. But if tape lifts, you can add glue just like you would without tape.

 

[Fanjeera]

Never heard of tape lifting on sides and back or at least I never had that issue. But if tape lifts, you can add glue just like you would without tape.

I want 4 week hold, so it would probably.

 

[noblesources]

I want 4 week hold, so it would probably.

And you get a 4 week hold with ghost bond glue?

 

[doubleindemnity]

The ingredients, in tape, are the same as their liquid counterpart with the addition of a plastic substrate.

Do you have documents showing that? And there's no Ghostbond tape so it would have to be a tape whose liquid counterpart has some harsher /more questionable ingredients.

 

[cottonReville]

But what are the ingredients of tape? I wouldn't be comfortable using it until I can know.

I wear a hat the whole time so the lift doesn't cause a problem. The only time the hair could stick to it is while I am reattaching, and I am very careful then. And the adhesive is dead so hairs wouldn't even stick to it. If it lifts at the front or back, the hair and the system still stays in position. Only if I ruffle the hair or take off a t shirt or something will the system actually lift. And it's anchored by the middle, which stays down, so I can just push down the back or front to handle the lift until I can get back to safety and reapply the glue.

My removal and reattach process is this.
-use C22 to remove the system. Spray C22 on your head and on to the base. Wait a few minutes and shampoo the head. Then put start cleaning the base with a scourer and hands. Now put more C22 on the head because there will be adhesive left over. You might need more on the base and to go back and clean off adhesive. Then wash the head with soap the base too. I use a soap bar here but here you might use dish soap. At this point the base should be clean enough. Finish off by shampooing your head to clean off any final bits of C22 and adhesive, and shampoo the system here now if you want. Leave the system to dry. Aim to take one more shower and shampoo your head once more before putting the system back on. I take a day without a system on usually. When the base is dry, you can pick off any leftover bits of adhesive but you won't get it 100% clean. I can do that whole thing from system on to system off with head clean and system drying in 30-40 minutes. Then later in the week it's another 30-40 minutes to prepare the head and attach the system. A very cheap price to pay for having hair, in my opinion.

I think I've been so put off w bad glue experiences that I've basically given up. Thanks for your tips.

I also aim for a 100% clean base, which is obsessive-compulsive & unecessary.

You're right when you say it's a small price to pay. I'm going to apply more methodically from now on, and reapply the ghostbond over old glue when there are lifts. Because once the piece is off, you're commiting to cleaning everything, head & hairpiece.

When I started, using tape, I couldn't believe there was even that much discussion about toupee use, as it seemed very easy. The longest part for me was taping my perimeter and peeling the backing off. After that I'd just spray my tape w rubbing alcohol to buy positioning time & put the thing on like a hat. It was NOTHING!

II.

How long do you wait for your Ghostbond to cure before getting sweaty or showering?

 

[cottonReville]

You mention the "hat" you wear once you experience frontal/backside lifting - is that something with which you sleep?

That, for me, is when the most problems occur. I sleep very rough. I used to wear a doo-rag or bandana to bed, but found it'd just come off.

I started wearing a satin bonnet, which is protective to the hair, but doesn't keep the piece pinned down in the event of lifting. I also sweat a lot when I sleep, which, of course, exasberates[spelling!] the problem.

What's the ideal sleeping hat/cat/rag/etc?

 

[TooBad]

Do you have documents showing that? And there's no Ghostbond tape so it would have to be a tape whose liquid counterpart has some harsher /more questionable ingredients.

There are only acrylic tapes. There's no ghostbond tape because it uses water as a Carrier. Water will not flash allowing it to semi-cure to the substrate. With regard to acrylic tape and liquid, they are the same ingredients.

 

[Fanjeera]

And you get a 4 week hold with ghost bond glue?

Yes.

 

[DarthJoking]

To answer both tape and WG are entirely different beasts, the former being highly effecicacious.

I hate doing trials WG/Ghostbond Platinum because the cleanup is difficult, annoying & taxes the system - but I've never had satisfactory results.

Edges lift fast.

I'm not a fan of Ghostbond Platinum I prefer the XL version.
Also there Walker Safe Grip and Great White glues to try.

 

[Hair system talk]

I'm not a fan of Ghostbond Platinum I prefer the XL version.
Also there Walker Safe Grip and Great White glues to try.

I thought platinum was supposed to be a stronger bond with higher heat tolerance?

 

[DarthJoking]

I thought platinum was supposed to be a stronger bond with higher heat tolerance?

Not for everyone's skin type.
Plus they do write a lot of marketing bullshit on hair system tapes and glues.
Such as 4-6 week hold on some tapes. Yeah right.