Latest Patents From Dr. George Cotsarelis

[ALightInTheDark]

I would avoid the roller-like devices they have the potential to make micro tears in the skin and create a much larger diameter hole thus more bleeding. Dermapen is best but $3,000 USD. I'm still thinking about it though.

You could also go to a clinic that has one and have them micro your scalp, then go home and apply the Minoxidil. Cost on that is about $275-345.

Or, we just wait for Follica.

Or you can just have the best needling device named Derminator for 200$ at your home and it does wonder. Thank me later bra.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

http://mcb.asm.org/content/26/22/8281.full

And guess what is in Swiss protocol ? Way too expensive,but waaaay fuckin underrated.
Everythin is related boys

 

[Leto]

Holy damn, that looks like reaaaaally something. Results on patients 3 and 4 were really something spectacular. If we add to that FGF - I'm really intrested in Cotsarelis' results. Replicel worked somehow, so it might thicken newborn hair. But what about DHT? These are the same hair from before, right? Still DHT-vulnerable? So people, who can't take finasteride are pretty much fucked?

EDIT: Btw guys, looking at this I think we might see something amazing on Hair Congress from Follica. Also Shiseido and Histogen in 3rd Phase - I try to be negative about it to not dissapoint myself, but it SERIOUSLY looks like something might happen there.

 

[westonci]

But what about DHT? These are the same hair from before, right? Still DHT-vulnerable? So people, who can't take finasteride are pretty much fucked?

Thats what seti is for.

 

[tomJ]

Sounds like seti will make a lot of guys tired and tired looking so I'm not that hopeful for seti like originally.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Sounds like seti will make a lot of guys tired and tired looking so I'm not that hopeful for seti like originally.

You saw Bearded and 2-3 comment and then you conclude by "a lot of guys" ? Westonci takes more of Seti and ask him how is he ? Only bad Seti makes this.
Also even Westonci took bad Seti.

Also you can induce FGF9 by estrogen way (17 beta estradiol). It's maybe why we see some success with it along his AR inhibior effect

 

[tomJ]

People were saying would cause fatigue well before westonci tried it. A lot of people will also tell you they get no sides on finasteride but we know many do. I think for some it will cause fatigue, others little to no sides. Believe me, if it comes out, I will try it, and if I don't get sides and effective I will be super happy.

 

[westonci]

Ive tried seti from three different sources. All three were verified Seti. The one from the redditor clearvision gave me skin complexion sides and made my eyes dry.

The seti from the private forum has given me absolutely no sides. Like nothing. Its a pain in the butt to get private forum seti since we only have 1 gb per year, but this sh*t is pharma grade seti.

Im positive its not the seti, but probably what ever impurities in it.

 

[tomJ]

And thanks noisette and hellouser and co. Thanks for telling me to derma roll BEFORE prp. I would of done the opposite without your help.​

 

[RegenWaiting]

Has anyone messed up and got scars on their skin from rolling/needling? What happens if you get a scar on your scalp, is it basically game over?

Hi,

Yes, patients have gotten scars from inaccurate dermaROLLING, mostly because of their untrained rolling motion. However, these clinical examples that I personally know of, were not rolling their scalps for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment, but for various other conditions already mentioned.

Well, up until the wounding knowledge surfaced, yea, it was basically ''game over'' in terms of hair, as scar tissue formation was seen as a permanent condition. Now, with this new knowlegde, it seems that it's nature may not be so permanent after all (beacause of wounding).

So ironically, while trying to achieve regrowth(rebirth) of hair with wounding one *may* (at this stage) scar oneself, but in the end...if performed accurately, the same procedure will bring things back to square one(maybe/possibly even further).

Hope this answers your questions.

Cheers

 

[ALightInTheDark]

The seti from the private forum has given me absolutely no sides. Like nothing. Its a pain in the butt to get private forum seti since we only have 1 gb per year, but this sh*t is pharma grade seti.

@westonci Mr.V also gave you a new batch no? And,you tried the optimized or the other Seti ? There is a bunch of it..

 

[MrV88]

The seti from the private forum has given me absolutely no sides. Like nothing. Its a pain in the butt to get private forum seti since we only have 1 gb per year, but this sh*t is pharma grade seti.

@westonci Mr.V also gave you a new batch no? And,you tried the optimized or the other Seti ? There is a bunch of it..

Whot? Another V?

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Whot? Another V?

A Dark V lol

 

[Trichosan]

Or you can just have the best needling device named Derminator for 200$ at your home and it does wonder. Thank me later bra.

Vaughter's inferior device? No thanks.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Vaughter's inferior device? No thanks.

You don't know what you're talking about it seems then

 

[Trichosan]

You don't know what you're talking about it seems then

No sense "splitting hairs" on the differences, ha,ha. It's the results that matter.

 

[Leto]

Btw guys, I was thinking about another stuff - how much Follica would cost? Because when you think that necessary would be just microneedling from technical point, then it should be distributed around the world quite fast - you wouldn't need top surgeons, who are trained in hair transplant. Maybe Follica could have contracts with trichology doctors around the world, they would just have to train them in using their needling devices. Well, also ABSOLUTELY necessary would be also FGF and seti. Looking at this like that, when good hair transplant is around 10 000$, then it might be cheaper. Another question - about fibrosis of scalp. Is needling of scalp working against it?

But case is when it's gonna pass 3rd phase. It might took few years. But when you think about results of normal microneedling, prp and minoxidil - BOIIII, results with fgf might be really something. I don't wanna be "just 5 years" bro, but maybe this time it's gonna be it.

 

[kiwipilu]

Hi,

Yes, patients have gotten scars from inaccurate dermaROLLING, mostly because of their untrained rolling motion. However, these clinical examples that I personally know of, were not rolling their scalps for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment, but for various other conditions already mentioned.

and on the other hand dermaroller improves scar tissue...
Maybe it 's just a question of frequency of use after all. people should use the dermarollers like the indian study and not on a daily basis... That would let time to the skin to recover and repare. the study clearly states "Microneedling is a safe and a promising tool"

 

[vernon]

btw follica delayed expected start of their pivotal trial to second half of 2018 already. they sneaked it in on their website.

just keep hyping them up for free

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Hi,

New here but i've been lurking for quite a few years, anyway i'v done a long post with source, thumbnails...for this thread but i can't post it...blocked for new members, how can i lift this ?