Lets talk about capitalism and hairloss....

[sammo]

Ok, I've mentioned this before but its always on my mind that there is potentially so much more going on behind closed doors in relation to the cure for hairloss, than is what actually stated. Just like for example, the existence of extra terrestrials which has so much 'non official' undisputed evidence YET PUBLICLY its not recognized - for religious and social control reasons. Similarly and the existence / implementation of electric cars (Which would be beneficial to the environment -> Very important) Both sets of this information have been witheld from both public and in relation to the Electric Car - > from the market for a very long time. The obstruction of electric cars has been the benefit of oil companies, car companies and essentially GREED, although wouldn't we think the destruction of our planet might be a big enough reason for greed not to take control of this one?

Now, back to hairloss.... What makes us think that if, overnight if a discovery for hairloss was found / or is in the process of being found, would this even get to the market before being cut down or suppressed for the sake of the billion dollar industry that is, the hairloss industry. I would love for me to be proven wrong as much as everyone here but I just can't imagine a cure being suddenly available - overnight crippling the average result hair regrowth industry that currently exists.... Where people are regularly going to hair loss clinics, transplants and regularly taking average annoying drugs. The people in this scamming industry are currently making millions and I think we should be prepared for them to dilute the process or even buy into the new hairloss technologies currently in research so they can maintain a level of control on the wealth. I'm just being skeptical, but seriously, someone talk to me, bounce, discuss....

Sammo

 

[optimus prime]

I think you have made a valid point.

I am currently talking to a business consultant about creating a website where people can register as members for a small fee (£35 - or something along those lines) and gain access to the hairloss society (that I would create). (It would be a UK registered Society so I couldn't scam anyone)

There will be many benefits to being a member...the main being your £35 investment along with (hopefully) 1 million other hairloss folk will create a huge sum of money to invest in companies’ shares, i.e. Intercytex. This would allow us to hopefully speed up the treatment by knowing it has loads of investment (our money) and once it’s released it's technology make sure it’s on the market. There won't be anyone to buy us out because we want the treatment not the money.

If the business consultant I am talking to agrees with my plans, there will be a website that will be released asking people to sign up without paying if they are interest. If there is a big enough interest this idea will be put into action.

What do you think of the idea? I know GHG and Askas would be interested.

 

[s.a.f]

What !?! There is no cospiracy theory here. :roll:
The answer is simple, there is no cure because nobodys found out how to reverse hairloss yet. Its not some simple problem we're talking about, its changing a natural physical attribute.
Something that your body has for whatever reason been geneticly programmed to do. And in terms of scientific research its way down the list the world of science is investing 1000 x more in cures for health related problems like cancer, Aids and obesity (which would be worth trillion$) and they have'nt managed to solve them either. C'mon nobody is dying due to m.p.b are they?

There is no reason as to why a cure would be held back because it would make way more money for the pharmacutical industry than the current rubbish thats on offer. Think about it how many men out there are even bothering with finasteride and Rogain? Not that many in the overall scheme of things. Whereas a real cure would be used by virtually everybody and they'd be willing to pay big $ for it.
Do you really think that quack snake oils and 1000 or so hair transplant Drs worldwide have any influence in global economics. :woot:
Sorry the the truth is there is no 'proper' cure and there probably wont be for a long time because changing a physical genetic defect is still way beyond us.

 

[Hammer87]

Capitalism affects things/will affect things in the following ways I think.

-The amount drug companys make from the drug makes them not really at all bothered about finding a cure.
-Consider everything man has achieved, curing something like hairloss shouldn't be a big deal.


-The most worrying is, like how Oil Companies have been known to buy patents of renewable sources so they can 'develop and research' but do nothing so they can simply carry on selling oil without a competator making an alternate......if someone was the develop technology close to a cure, if a drug company was to buy the patent off them and lock it in a basement...

 

[menace]

you guys ever see photos of the roswell aliens?


thick heads of hair on all of em.



the government is denying us access to their hair regrowth technology, and god damnit, it aint right!

 

[s.a.f]

-The amount drug companys make from the drug makes them not really at all bothered about finding a cure.

You obviously did'nt read my post.
Market for current unproven meds = 100's m$ per year
Market for a real cure = Billion$ per year
The worlds biggest pharmacutical companies would give anything for a real cure.

-Consider everything man has achieved, curing something like hairloss shouldn't be a big deal...

Consider everything man has'nt achieved, mans technological advances are way beyond our advances in medical science. Yes we have satelites, lasers ect but still no cure for the common cold or most illnesses. Inventing electronic gadgets is far easier than changing human genetics.
Did the multi billion $ opticians industry manage to hold back Laser eye surgery? There is no conspirecy.

 

[Hammer87]

-The amount drug companys make from the drug makes them not really at all bothered about finding a cure.

You obviously did'nt read my post.
Market for current unproven meds = 100's m$ per year
Market for a real cure = Billion$ per year
The worlds biggest pharmacutical companies would give anything for a real cure.

-Consider everything man has achieved, curing something like hairloss shouldn't be a big deal...

Consider everything man has'nt achieved, mans technological advances are way beyond our advances in medical science. Yes we have satelites, lasers ect but still no cure for the common cold or most illnesses. Inventing electronic gadgets is far easier than changing human genetics.
Did the multi billion $ opticians industry manage to hold back Laser eye surgery? There is no conspirecy.

There's a difference though, suppose they made a 'wonder pill' causing complete hairloss reversale, which cost 1c to manufactuer.....despite them been able to charge an awful lot more for it, it really wouldn't be in their best interests to release it immediately.

I accept what you're saying about medical advances. Laser eye surgery is a poor example about not being help back though. They charge an awful lot for it, and what do they lose? People only buy a pair of glasses for around $100 every 3-5 years. The market it's taken away isn't large at all. It's not like losing the market of all the products people buy which per year, adds up to a lot.


I'm not saying it would happen, just that it's a possibility.

 

[Nathaniel]

I think that there is no cure for hairloss out there because it hasn't been researched and invested in properly. This is due to the fact that many people suffering from hairloss can live their healthy lives and overcome the problem so not much attention is given to this.

Gentlemen, we are part of the very very small minority that actually cares about hair so even though some companies will invest in this due to the pay off, there is more to be gained from other medical conditions.

Yes we all know the problem is complicated (it's genetic, it's hormonal, etc) but I strongly believe a better treatment could have been developed by now. Maybe not something you can call a cure, but at least something that works better than what we have. There are so many chemicals that offer promise, yet only a few are being developed. Look, cancer and AIDS drugs have improved dramatically, maybe you can't call them cure (obviously) but at least new drugs are being released almost every year or two. Not so for hairloss.

 

[Hammer87]

Gentlemen, we are part of the very very small minority that actually cares about hair so even though some companies will invest in this due to the pay off, there is more to be gained from other medical conditions.

This is true and puts a lots of things into perspective. I know three guys, only 20, 21 and 21, who aren't just receeding, they have no hair at the front at all and two older ones having thinning at the crown. Yet they openly bring it up and crack jokes about it, where as no one else is even bothered so it's not really just a defence mechanism. They pull just as many girls as everyone else does, they enjoy life just like everyone else.

I wish I coped with it like that. I saw on another forum a 30 year old considering castration, the only thing holding him back was that he one day wanted kids! I mean come on!

 

[s.a.f]

There's a difference though, suppose they made a 'wonder pill' causing complete hairloss reversale, which cost 1c to manufactuer.....despite them been able to charge an awful lot more for it, it really wouldn't be in their best interests to release it immediately.

Why? :dunno: Currently only a small % of men with m.p.b are using products like rogain and propecia, the overwhelming majority dont bother because they are so unproven. If there was a real cure introduced I'd bet 95% of men would be interested even those in their 40/50/60's

I accept what you're saying about medical advances. Laser eye surgery is a poor example about not being help back though. They charge an awful lot for it, and what do they lose? People only buy a pair of glasses for around $100 every 3-5 years. The market it's taken away isn't large at all. It's not like losing the market of all the products people buy which per year, adds up to a lot.

WHAT !?! Do you wear glasses? they (lenses and frames) cost about £150 here in the UK thats almost $300, and then there are eye tests ect every year and what about the people who use contact lenses they cost about £35 a month. So in all someone with eye problems is going to shell out $1000's or even $10,000s over the course of their life. Whereas Laser surgery costs about £350 per eye and its just one off cost.
And bear in mind that some 60+% of all adults will need glasses at some point. and that figure is rising sharply even kids these days have much worse eyesight due to the increased use of video games and PC's the market is simply ginormous.

 

[Hammer87]

WHAT !?! Do you wear glasses? they (lenses and frames) cost about £150 here in the UK thats almost $300, and then there are eye tests ect every year and what about the people who use contact lenses they cost about £35 a month. So in all someone with eye problems is going to shell out $1000's or even $10,000s over the course of their life. Whereas Laser surgery costs about £350 per eye and its just one off cost.
And bear in mind that some 60+% of all adults will need glasses at some point. and that figure is rising sharply even kids these days have much worse eyesight due to the increased use of video games and PC's the market is simply ginormous.

Yes, I'm in the UK (I used dollars assuming you were American). I'm short sighted, I have a pair of Armani glasses which cost me in total GBP 170 including lenses which I still have to this day.

 

[sammo]

Wow this conversation has gone all over the place, love it.

Been away for a few days so i feel bad i kinda started it and then let it tumble and turn.

Sammo

p.s. optimus primes idea is interesting... id invest money.

 

[optimus prime]

You are right, there is loads of money in the market if a hairloss treatment were to be discovered, however money isn’t invested into it like they do for other medical treatments for various reasons. Firstly, hairloss is not considered as essential as say cancer. Secondly, cancers will have way more investment from charities such as cancer research, and thirdly, governments will give bigger grants to the development of a cancer drug (or other similar illnesses).

This doesn’t mean that a hairloss cure cannot be developed (or as close as you can to a cure). The problem occurs when these research centres such as follica and Intercytex have such a small investment. If they fail with a treatment a business man investing will lose a lot of money, therefore, many business men are actually afraid to invest.

I’m not so sure if they would hold back on a cure if it was created, but I do think they would charge the moon on a stick.

 

[optimus prime]

p.s. optimus primes idea is interesting... id invest money.

Sammo,

I'm glad to hear that. I hope others would be also, however not many people are saying much on the matter.

It’s not as if the investment would be huge...maybe £35($60). that is a night out for some. The investment /membership could be for a year, 5 years or unlimited. If a million people, men/ women agreed to this, there would be an investment that would increase the chances of a cure massively. If it didn't work, then I (as a member) have lost £35 ($60)...that’s not the end of the world. I will be more disappointed that there wasn't a cure.

It would also put the people with hairloss in control. If I invested £35 for a membership, I wouldn't want a financial return. I would just like to know that I was doing as much as I could to bring forward a treatment ASAP.

If we raised $60m dollars from 1 million members, we would be able to buy the majority shares in a company like Follica or Intercytex. We (the bald community) could then decide who does the surgery and at what price. Any profit made would invested directly back into hairloss, either making the treatment better, or lowering the cost to perform the treatment.

There would also be other benefits to members, they would get to vote which company we (the bald community) invested in. They could vote on other matters also. They would also get the latest information…and maybe even cheaper surgery (HM).

I am interested though to hear people’s feedback; do they think this would fail? If so what reasons, also do they think it’s a good idea?

 

[s.a.f]

I dont know where you're getting your information from Optimus but I'm pretty sure that huge amounts have been invested, we're probably talking $100m's by some of the worlds leading pharmacutical companies. Think about it, hairloss is'nt a new problem you can bet its one of the longest running challenges of the cosmetics industry. I remember watching a documentry over 10 yrs ago, I think it was called 'the bald truth' and seeing scientists working on a cure.
The idea that we have'nt found a cure simply because of lack of investment is wrong. Look at cancer and aids, they have practicly limitless funding but still no cure. You cant solve this problem with money the simple truth is that science is'nt advanced enough to find a cure. We may be able to pinpoint why some men go bald but being able to alter genetics is a whole different ball game.

 

[sammo]

Well, the human race is still very primitive. From a non-scientific background I find it fascinating that hair loss has not been cured already (or that we know about) because there are obvious external physical clues to the condition, and one would assume that purely internal diseases and sicknesses would be a lot harder to pinpoint the cause/s. Its funny it just seems we've made bigger leaps in other scientific fields. I know hairloss runs very much internally as to the causes but the loss of hair strands is quite a big clue, compared to other things we've discovered.

I think the difference between cancer and cosmetic hairloss, is that with cancer I can imagine that because its such a deadly condition that if a cure was discovered I can't imagine it being witheld or restrained from the population of the world in the same way a hairloss cure would be. This is probably congruent with the severity of cancer obviously, but that the hairloss research across the world is purely coming from a business perspective, and not enough from a treatment ideology.

Ofcourse treating cancer is of paramount concern and I'm not at all trying to compare the importance of the two, but alot of mentally unwell conditions are derived from hairloss, as a direct result of the world we live in and the pressures through advertising and media (Which we cannot escape from) are of that embracing a full head of hair. I'm not saying that hairloss isn't important but people should look at hairloss as a disease more and less as a business.

Sammo (just a rant)