Looking for advice regarding new regimen. (Fins have gone.)

[Sarangravii]

Helloes.

I've been on finasteride for the last...1.5 years. Recently, my love affair with it ended. In retrospect, what happened during our relationship was this(if you don't feel like knowing, skip to the big H):

Hair:
has kept well on top, not well at the temples or frontline. (My head is not a diffuse shedder)

Others: Definitive need to pee in the middle of the night when taking finasteride and drinking water right before bed; need to 'return to finish' peeing 5 minutes after peeing (or right after having sat down).

One week ago, I ran in to sudden additional issues, seemingly with the prostate, and even if the fins aren't directly or at all responsible, I know they've tinkered with it, and I've re-evaluated what is important (and it isn't the fins ).


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Thus, I need a new regimen; one without finasteride.(or any -ide )

I am already using Recapeen, which is a topical with anti-androgen properties (I think), rather then Minoxidil-like properties ; and was thinking about adding another, as well as, possibly, green tea.( For drinking, not scalding the scalp with).

Would the other best be Revivogen? Minoxidil? Is there actually anything that one can use over the entire scalp (anti-androgen) rather easily, that won't ruin you? For recapeen, I know I'd need one 1month tube to do the entire head

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

(I use nizoral shampoo a couple of times a week).

 

[Guest]

try spironolactone 5% cream once a day from minoxidil.com

 

[MPBWarrior]

i don't get it. u seem to be ok with finasteride. who cares if u pee more or get tingly feelings in your prostate area? that's completely normal. finasteride will reduce your prostate, it's just your body readjusting itself. finasteride is the biggest and safest aid we have!!

 

[Sarangravii]

JayMan: Thanks for the advice. Seems that site mentions a synergistic effect between minoxidil and topical spironolactone cream. I started googling a little, and while perhaps not entirely relevant, the first sentence I read was: "Spironolactone has caused tumors in laboratory animals."

Seems pretty safe as a topical though, except that the list of possible side effects still seems a bit long (vomiting, rashes, nausea etc). How common would these be?

MBPwarrior: While it was annoying not to be able to drink water and take the finasteride right before bedtime if I did not wish to get up in the middle of the night, as well as to stand after sitting on the toilet in order to 'empty' totally, the current situation is a bit escalated, and I am weary and wary.

I ate Accutan for over a year when I was a teenager, and don't intend to take something I suspect has bad side effects for very long again (Not in pillform, anyway )

 

[Guest]

Seems pretty safe as a topical though, except that the list of possible side effects still seems a bit long (vomiting, rashes, nausea etc). How common would these be?

i think i read less than 1% but don't quote me on it. that's not a reason to avoid spironolactone.

 

[Sarangravii]

Seems pretty safe as a topical though, except that the list of possible side effects still seems a bit long (vomiting, rashes, nausea etc). How common would these be?

That's not a reason to avoid spironolactone.

*Sigh*..I'd like to believe that; but I know I tend to react quite strongly to any sort of medication, except for any kind of normal painkiller. I grew up thinking they were placebo.

Seriously, the list of sides appears worse than the one for fins- how much safer does it become by being a topical?

 

[Guest]

Seems pretty safe as a topical though, except that the list of possible side effects still seems a bit long (vomiting, rashes, nausea etc). How common would these be?

That's not a reason to avoid spironolactone.

*Sigh*..I'd like to believe that; but I know I tend to react quite strongly to any sort of medication, except for any kind of normal painkiller. I grew up thinking they were placebo.

Seriously, the list of sides appears worse than the one for fins- how much safer does it become by being a topical?

The percentage of people who get the sides is way low. Don't confuse oral spironolactone with topical spironolactone. It's very doubtful that you'll get systemic absorption from using the amount recommended.

What choice do you have if you refuse to be on finasteride or dutasteride, the oral dht inhibitors, or spironolactone, the topical androgen inhibitor?

You're going to go bald because things like minoxidil and cp's and other stuff won't stop the balding process.

 

[Sarangravii]

The percentage of people who get the sides is way low. Don't confuse oral spironolactone with topical spironolactone. It's very doubtful that you'll get systemic absorption from using the amount recommended.

What choice do you have if you refuse to be on finasteride or dutasteride, the oral dht inhibitors, or spironolactone, the topical androgen inhibitor?

You're going to go bald because things like minoxidil and cp's and other stuff won't stop the balding process.

Yes. I've done some more reading, and it seems as if topical spironolactone is in a whole other league as compared to oral spironolactone, but I haven't seen any real studies of long-term effects. Short term though (there was this study from -88) topical spironolactone didn't seem to be absorbed systematically whatsoever.

I will perhaps try spironolactone..I will not risk severe side effects for the sake of keeping my hair, however.

What are 'cps' though?

 

[Lopfraze]

I'm in the same boat as the OP.

I think I might try spironolactone from minoxidil.com. Thanks for the heads up JayMan.

 

[Lopfraze]

Couple of questions - what would you recommend - the liquid or the cream?

Also, are sides common from topical spironolactone? I dropped finasteride because is was bringing me out in unpleasant acne - is spironolactone likely to do the same?

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

I believe Dr. Lee's spironolactone is crap. have been using 5% for months now and nuthin...although for 30 bucks the tub easily lasts 6 months or more...so its not a big deal throwin it in..

 

[CCS]

the list of side effects is if you take it orally. there should be no side effects even if you apply it to half your body at once, according to some studies bryan talked about.

 

[Guest]

What are 'cps' though?

copper peptides. do a search for that phrase on this site and you'll find all the info you need about them. they have been fda proven to regrow as much or more hair than minoxidil. so using both together would obviously be a huge boon in addition to using an oral dht inhibitor like propecia or avodart.

 

[Guest]

I believe Dr. Lee's spironolactone is crap. have been using 5% for months now and nuthin...although for 30 bucks the tub easily lasts 6 months or more...so its not a big deal throwin it in..

what do you mean nothing? spironolactone isn't supposed to regrow a ton of hair it's supposed to maintain. if you aren't losing any i'd consider that a success assuming you can attribute that directly to the spironolactone and not to propecia or whatever. but if you aren't on that i'd give the spironolactone some credit.

and you said it lasts 6 months or m ore? how muich are you using? dr lee says it should last about 2 months assuming you're using it once a day.

 

[Guest]

Couple of questions - what would you recommend - the liquid or the cream?

Also, are sides common from topical spironolactone? I dropped finasteride because is was bringing me out in unpleasant acne - is spironolactone likely to do the same?

cream is supposed to be more effective from what i hear. 5% cream.

no sides aren't common from it since it is applied locally. i don't think you will get systemic absorption from it.

that's weird that finasteride gave you acne because finasteride cleared my face up.