male pattern baldness situation

[powersam]

Hey everyone, been reading these and other boards for quite awhile pondering what action i should take about my hair loss. The situation as it stands, im 22 with some frontal loss and and small amount of overall thinning. Have just bought some crinagen , folligen is on its way and am going to take supplements of flax seed oil and argenine ( probably misspelt). Have decided not to use minoxidil as it seems to me to be a chemical wig , losing all hair as soon as you stop loss , therefore meaning you have to use this treatment for the rest of your life, which could be very annoying if other much better treatments appear as they probably will. Propecia is looking like a must , as side effects are quite minimal for poeple using the proper dosage , especially a maintenance dosage such as i would be taking.
I do have some questions about other treatments that any help with would be much appreciated. Have heard of an oral treatment called Trichagen , which good things have been said about. Did a little research and its active ingredient is medroxyprogesterone acetate. This is a component in female contraceptives such as d-provera and has also been used in the treatment of prostate ailments. Has anyone heard anything about this treatment?
Secondly , it would be interesting to know how many of the people for whom no treatments worked were smokers and other things about their lifestyles such as cardiovascular health and low or high fat content diets.
Also i went to a dermatologist and she basically looked at my hairline , from about 2 meters away and said "yes you have male pattern baldness , nothing can be done , you shouldnt care". Is it just me or does this seem like a very inadequate examination , and unhelpful information.
Also got some RegenHair , wondered if anyone had heard anything about it. Thankyou in advance for any replies.

 

[Stabber]

i didnt read your whole post dude. But when it comes down to it, there are only 2 proven methods to treat male pattern baldness. Minoxidil and propecia.
Both have pros and cons

 

[bombscience]

Hey dude, welcome to the forums.

I haven't heard of the other products that you mentioned, and usually the case is, if it's not popular it's because it doesn't work. That's the general rule of thumb.

Smoking? Quit. I've had a b**ch of a time doing this, and I've caved a couple times. But I'm setting goals and rewarding myself for not smoking. I know it's just all mental, but really, if I kick this in six month's i'm going to get a new car, if not, i'm the a**h**. Does it accellerate male pattern baldness? Who knows, but I do know, that I was NOT balding until smoking became a habit for me. Sure it's in my genetics, but it seems like smoking only worsened things.

Finally, most doctors just suck. I've gone to 2. The first gave me rogaine when my hair was MUCH thicker than it was right now, in a situation that I would have reccomended Propecia. Another dermo didn't inspect me and then just wrote the prescription. Point is, most cosmetic dermotoligists are making much more money off of wrinkle reduction and botox than treating hairloss. It's not thier concern. Online research has proven much more effective to me in my battle, so you've done the right thing and come to the right place. If you have specific questions there are some doctors that are internet savvy and intelligent: Dr. Proctor, Dr. Lee, etc. You may want to contact them if you have a specific question.

 

[camil]

Hi

Read you post with interest. Wondering how you were getting on with RegenHair. Was sconsidering it myself. I have tried a few such as Regaine and I think you are right to give it a miss. Regenhair seem to be a bit less time consuming, obtrusive and expensive as some.

I would be grateful for you views

 

[powersam]

with the regenhair have experience no further loss whatsover, and in my opinion some thickening up. am around the 3-4 month mark so cant really expect anything amazing as of yet. it does seem to be a genuine product in my opinion.

 

[bombscience]

with the regenhair have experience no further loss whatsover, and in my opinion some thickening up. am around the 3-4 month mark so cant really expect anything amazing as of yet. it does seem to be a genuine product in my opinion.

What is Regenhair, and where can I read more about it. Also what other products are you using?

 

[JustinTime]

I doubt that hair loss and smoking are related and here is why:
My father smoked for 20+ years before quitting, hes now 66 yrs old and he has the hairline of a 20 yr old. One of my brothers smokes the other doesn't, both of them have the same hairline as my father. I'm the only one with male pattern baldness. Even going back to grandfathers, uncles, etc. on both fathers and mothers side, the few who have male pattern baldness did not develop to the extent that I am until well into their 60's. I am 44.
Smoking is harmful to your health in other ways and you should seriously quit. The longer you wait, the harder it is to give it up.

male pattern baldness is genetics, period.

 

[bombscience]

smoking sucks.

 

[powersam]

gotta say im slightly confused dude. you say male pattern baldness is genetics and nothing but genetics , but tell us about your brothers and father who arent balding. doesnt quite add up. moreover there is a definate link between smoking and premature balding. it drastically lowers levels of nitric oxide in the blood , the direct opposite effect that minoxidil and argenine have. its becoming more and more obvious that baldness is result of the cumulative effects of many different factors, environmental , genetic etc. it seems premature baldness is one of the symptoms of insulin resistance in men also. so looking for one reason for baldness is only going to lead to failure.

im currently using ,
crinagen on face and neck
topical spironolactone ( started two weeks ago )
epilobium supplements - 1000mg
flax seed oil
regenhair
soukahi
moirehairin
folligen

 

[20something]

PowerSam - get on propecia since you have general thinning and minoxidil as well to help reconstruct your hairline. Cycle Nizoral shampoo every 3 days with your regular shampoo. Any medication is really a lifetime committment. Just quitting some makes you lose hair faster than others. If you're using spironolactone 2x daily then maybe avoid the minoxidil since they combine for a rather offensive smell.

Don't go back to your derm. unless you really nead to. Your GP should be able to do anything you want - fill prescriptions, blood tests etc. Basically most doctors just don't think male pattern baldness is a big deal. I'd love for your derm. to be struck with Androgenetic Alopecia and then see how flipant she is the next time some guy walks in complaining of hair loss.

male pattern baldness is genetics, but any number of factors can trigger it earlier. Mine kicked in just 2-3 months after a major surgery, where as my family history doesn't see the men start to thin until their late 30s. Someone who isn't coded for male pattern baldness can get away with smoking, heavy drinking and all sorts of debauchery. They'll die with a full head of hair, but likely sooner than you or I :hairy:

 

[Cassin]

Bleh...........I am trying to stop smoking also

:firing: nfire:

 

[Redbone]

Have you tried the Patch or anything like it yet?

 

[garthbrooks]

gotta say im slightly confused dude. you say male pattern baldness is genetics and nothing but genetics , but tell us about your brothers and father who arent balding. doesnt quite add up. moreover there is a definate link between smoking and premature balding. it drastically lowers levels of nitric oxide in the blood , the direct opposite effect that minoxidil and argenine have. its becoming more and more obvious that baldness is result of the cumulative effects of many different factors, environmental , genetic etc. it seems premature baldness is one of the symptoms of insulin resistance in men also. so looking for one reason for baldness is only going to lead to failure.

im currently using ,
crinagen on face and neck
topical spironolactone ( started two weeks ago )
epilobium supplements - 1000mg
flax seed oil
regenhair
soukahi
moirehairin
folligen

I believe it is strictly genetics, but lots of people have said that environmental factors can speed this up, and i think this is completely true.

There are studies that have shown that asian men who begin eating a more westernized diet began to lose more hair than those who continue to eat a more convential asian diet. They also believe this is why less asian men have prostate problems (diet).

Smoking still baffles me, because at the same time that it decreases NO, i have also heard that it decreases Testosterone, and DHT. Either way quitting is the best thing you can do.

Also, a recommendation on flax seed. I read a study that shows that the lignans in whole flax seeds is supposed to bind to the testosterone. (i don't thnk flax seed oil has the lignans). There was a study show that showed that a low fat diet supplemented with Flax Seeds helped slow down the growth of prostate cancer in mice who were genetically altered to get the cancer. Some of them didn't get it at all. I take both the oil, and have just started putting crushed(they sell it this way, cause the seeds are pointy, and you'd have to crush them yourself) flax seed on my cereal.

Also, Could you tell me where you get your Epilobium. I am interested in taking these to supplement my vitamin regiment. Preferably a place on-line. Thanks

 

[powersam]

garth -interesting about the flax seeds vs oil. might need to think about that myself. bought the epilobium at a nearby health store dude , but shouldnt be at all hard to find online. im in aus so cant really help you with that. others you might wanna look for are horsetail and stinging nettle

20something -absolutely no interest in propecia sadly. gotta put my health before my hair and cant really be sure what else that drug is doing to you.
already on nizoral, cycling that and t-gel plus. forgot to put it down.