masterbation, hair loss, and testosterone explained

CCS

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I'm no expert, but I just thought this up and think it is common sense (been doing that a lot lately). You decide:


Your prostate is the biggest producer of DHT, and uses it to sperm, I think.

Normally, your sperm leaves into your bladder at the same rate it is produced, so there always is a fresh supply ready (evolutionary advantage).

After you ejaculate, though, sperm is produced in a hurry to refil the supply. That means even more DHT is needed. People experience a significant drop in testosterone for 20 minutes to an hour after ejaculating. This drop is the result of serum testosterone being turned into DHT for sperm production perposes. The testes quickly return the testosterone levels to normal after that.

So don't masterbate every 30 minutes 10 times after a workout, or you won't start building muscle as soon.

The DHT is produced by upregulating 5ar2 with relaxin. The relaxin is released by some mechanism with the ejaculation.

Probably the prostate and testes get the highest dose, if that is where the relaxin is release. Not sure on that one. But since your brain even feels the relaxin (getting sleep after ejaculation), it is probably a systemic effect. So your hair follicles are affected too, but only temporarily.

If your sperm count is reduced, that would mean the spike is not lasting too long. But if they stay the same, it could mean prostate 5ar2 was upregulated, or it could mean that you just take longer to make the sperm, and your hair follicles would be affected longer too.

Just look at the fact that 0.05mg/day and 0.2mg/day finasteride are close in hair saving strength, and look at how dutasteride and finasteride are pretty close, and you can guess that 20 minutes to 1 hour per day of having 50% more DHT in your follicles probably will not hurt hair count much.

Finally, the newly produced 5ar2 will be around for a while, so I suggest taking your finasteride a hour after you masterbate, so you can block the extra 5ar2 soon after it is made. If you take it right before, your body will just keep upregulating the 5ar2 until it gets enough to make that sperm, and the finasteride will only be in your blood for a few hours before the liver metabolises it.
 

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I really do doubt the "hurry up and produce more sperm theory." Your testes produce sperm from puberty onward constantly. There is no need to hurry up. Besides, spermatogenesis takes 64 days from start to finish.

Another important fact to realize is that FSH from the anterior pituitary directs the function of sertoli cells. Sertoli cells secrete androgen binding protein. So, even though Leydig cells may be producing testosterone due to LH, the Sertoli cells are producing androgen binding protein and binding the produced androgen to sequester it near the developing sperm. The androgen binding protein can be produced in high enough concentrations to sequester enough androgen to increase local testicular androgen levels by up to 50 times greater than what is found in blood. There is no way that masturbation increases testosterone production so much that it overcomes the binding capacity of androgen binding protein. Not when it can sequester anywhere from 20 to 50 times the normal blood level in one spot plus you still have wiggle room with sex hormone binding globulin floating around in the blood. I simply refuse to believe it.
 

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The old guy has a full head of hair! :lol:
 

tembo

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Do all animals masturbate?

Also, do female animals masturbate like female humans do?
 

CCS

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docj077 said:
I really do doubt the "hurry up and produce more sperm theory." Your testes produce sperm from puberty onward constantly. There is no need to hurry up. Besides, spermatogenesis takes 64 days from start to finish.

Another important fact to realize is that FSH from the anterior pituitary directs the function of sertoli cells. Sertoli cells secrete androgen binding protein. So, even though Leydig cells may be producing testosterone due to LH, the Sertoli cells are producing androgen binding protein and binding the produced androgen to sequester it near the developing sperm. The androgen binding protein can be produced in high enough concentrations to sequester enough androgen to increase local testicular androgen levels by up to 50 times greater than what is found in blood. There is no way that masturbation increases testosterone production so much that it overcomes the binding capacity of androgen binding protein. Not when it can sequester anywhere from 20 to 50 times the normal blood level in one spot plus you still have wiggle room with sex hormone binding globulin floating around in the blood. I simply refuse to believe it.

good info, Doctor. I just wonder about the 64 day bit since I produce so much semen volume if it has been at least 4 hours since I last masterbated, but produce 1/4 as much if I masterbate 20 minutes after a previous time. Doesn't seem to add up.
 

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collegechemistrystudent said:
docj077 said:
I really do doubt the "hurry up and produce more sperm theory." Your testes produce sperm from puberty onward constantly. There is no need to hurry up. Besides, spermatogenesis takes 64 days from start to finish.

Another important fact to realize is that FSH from the anterior pituitary directs the function of sertoli cells. Sertoli cells secrete androgen binding protein. So, even though Leydig cells may be producing testosterone due to LH, the Sertoli cells are producing androgen binding protein and binding the produced androgen to sequester it near the developing sperm. The androgen binding protein can be produced in high enough concentrations to sequester enough androgen to increase local testicular androgen levels by up to 50 times greater than what is found in blood. There is no way that masturbation increases testosterone production so much that it overcomes the binding capacity of androgen binding protein. Not when it can sequester anywhere from 20 to 50 times the normal blood level in one spot plus you still have wiggle room with sex hormone binding globulin floating around in the blood. I simply refuse to believe it.

good info, Doctor. I just wonder about the 64 day bit since I produce so much semen volume if it has been at least 4 hours since I last masterbated, but produce 1/4 as much if I masterbate 20 minutes after a previous time. Doesn't seem to add up.

Your focus is on the wrong thing when it comes to semen production. It isn't the sperm that makes up the majority of it. The majority of semen comes from the seminal vesicles and the prostate gland by way of the their secretions. Those two organs replenish themselves quickly. Sperm makes up less than 5%. It takes a few ejaculations before you'll deplete the testes of sperm volume, but the majority of the semen volume will still come from outside that location.
 

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testosterone increases with sexual stimuli, therefore keep away from any sexual thoughts and masturbation.

eat a low calorie, minimal cholesterol,low dairy products, vegetarian diet, along with soya beans , pomegranate and saw palmetto - to reduce testosterone.

couple diet with 2hours of cardio exercise to further reduce testosterone.


 

docj077

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stnl said:
testosterone increases with sexual stimuli, therefore keep away from any sexual thoughts and masturbation.

eat a low calorie, minimal cholesterol,low dairy products, vegetarian diet, along with soya beans , pomegranate and saw palmetto - to reduce testosterone.

couple diet with 2hours of cardio exercise to further reduce testosterone.




I hope that you are aware that the male body NEEDS testosterone to maintain muscle mass, secondary sex characteristics, and maintain hemoglobin levels above the levels normally found in the female population.

By the way, increasing the font size is very unnecessary.
 

givememyhair

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i dont mean to be rude... but may i know... if we happen to keep the whole head of hair... BUT we do not have sexual thoughts... or maybe not even having sex... what are we living for anyway?

if thats the case... wouldnt it be better perhaps that we should just castrate ourselves ? :roll:
 
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givememyhair said:
i dont mean to be rude... but may i know... if we happen to keep the whole head of hair... BUT we do not have sexual thoughts... or maybe not even having sex... what are we living for anyway?

if thats the case... wouldnt it be better perhaps that we should just castrate ourselves ? :roll:

yep. if you have no interest in women or having sex ever, and want to keep a nice head of hair, or get transplants and be guaranteed to maintain it forever, then go get your balls chopped off. i'm sure you could find a surgeon somewhere who would do it, maybe in the UK.
 

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i dont understand why people mention transplant as a solution.
 

stampede

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IBM said:
i dont understand why people mention transplant as a solution.

What do you mean, you don't understand it? :roll:

It's not something that I'd want to have done myself but there are a lot of people who've had success with hair transplant's.

I'm going to try chemical castration soon to see if I can handle it. If I can't, and life is awful etc., I'll just stop taking the meds.

I'd advise strongly against proper castration until you've found out whether you can actually live with it, it's supposed to seriously alter your emotional state.
 

RaginDemon

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I am one horny f****r, I cant live without having sexual thoughts. So if thats what it takes to grow hair, f that! lol
 
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