Mature hairline ... or not ?

[tdawg7669]

I think making an arbitrary cutoff of a mature hairline is silly. The gray area between NW2 and 3 is confusing enough as it is. A mature hairline can be anything from a Norwood 1.5 to 2.5, imo. It all depends on if the hairloss will stop there or not. It all depends on which follicles are DHT resistant and which ones arent. There are other theories such as testosterone itself is what makes the temples recede, while DHT is the enemy of the rest of the hair on the scalp. I honestly dont know. All I know is that there are men out there, who progress to Norwood 2.5 and stop. I am not saying this guy is one of those guys, just that its possible.

A good indicator is if the hair that you have is thick, or if it is thinning. If your temples have receded but you have no thinning then I think you are good in most cases.

Now whether you consider Norwood 2/3 serious/considerable/noticeable hairloss is different for each person. I only would consider a hairline like that serious hair loss if it was accompanied by noticeable thinning. That is just me though.

 

[dougfunny]

I think making an arbitrary cutoff of a mature hairline is silly. The gray area between NW2 and 3 is confusing enough as it is. A mature hairline can be anything from a Norwood 1.5 to 2.5, imo. It all depends on if the hairloss will stop there or not. It all depends on which follicles are DHT resistant and which ones arent. There are other theories such as testosterone itself is what makes the temples recede, while DHT is the enemy of the rest of the hair on the scalp. I honestly dont know. All I know is that there are men out there, who progress to Norwood 2.5 and stop. I am not saying this guy is one of those guys, just that its possible.

A good indicator is if the hair that you have is thick, or if it is thinning. If your temples have receded but you have no thinning then I think you are good in most cases.

Now whether you consider Norwood 2/3 serious/considerable/noticeable hairloss is different for each person. I only would consider a hairline like that serious hair loss if it was accompanied by noticeable thinning. That is just me though.

this is incorrect. men do not progress to Norwood 2.5 and then "stop."

most likely you are observing this in men around 50.

at that age hair loss dramatically slows no matter what stage you are at.

there is nothing special about Norwood 2.5.

 

[Preston]

Ok , guys , keep in mind ( I forgot to specify ) the pic was taken right after shower so wet hairs and combed completely backwards .

This one is with dry hair and combed a little forward :

I'm asking if this could be a a mature hairline because of the weird symptoms or pattern I have :

- My hairloss started ( not even 1 year ago ) like some kind of effluvium that lasted a long time , hundreds of hair falling every day , with EXTREME scalp pain and inflamation , more precisely the pain was precisely located at the roots of the hair ; at times I couldn't even run my hand through my hair cause it hurted so much ( even wind was painful ! )

- I've got diffuse hairloss , besides temples , I shed hairs even on the sides and the back of my head , the density is pretty much the same everywhere , nothing to notice on the crown .

- I started finasteride 4-5 months ago , and more recently spironolactone.

I'm also asking because I've got strong suspicion on gluten intolerance ( celiac disease ) wich can cause diffuse hairloss ,
And I also have suspicions on some kind of infection .
And the period of the effluvium coincides with the period where I eated a lot of bread and pasta ( plenty of gluten ) because if was starting to do some sports and I wanted energy .

I shed much less hair now , I think not more than any person without male pattern baldness would , and the coverage is better
I don't know if it's due to my regimen or what I stopped eating ( or trying to )
It seems that when I eat stuff that have gluten or lactose in them , I shed more hairs some time after ( additionaly to having digestive problems ) , but I still can't say for sure that I have celiac disease .

PS : I do care , a lot , my life has been crap untill now and when I get better and start studying again , this ruins it all . And it's driving me crazy because I don't know where to stand .

 

[G k]

Ok , guys , keep in mind ( I forgot to specify ) the pic was taken right after shower so wet hairs and combed completely backwards .

This one is with dry hair and combed a little forward :

I'm asking if this could be a a mature hairline because of the weird symptoms or pattern I have :

- My hairloss started ( not even 1 year ago ) like some kind of effluvium that lasted a long time , hundreds of hair falling every day , with EXTREME scalp pain and inflamation , more precisely the pain was precisely located at the roots of the hair ; at times I couldn't even run my hand through my hair cause it hurted so much ( even wind was painful ! )

- I've got diffuse hairloss , besides temples , I shed hairs even on the sides and the back of my head , the density is pretty much the same everywhere , nothing to notice on the crown .

- I started finasteride 4-5 months ago , and more recently spironolactone.

I'm also asking because I've got strong suspicion on gluten intolerance ( celiac disease ) wich can cause diffuse hairloss ,
And I also have suspicions on some kind of infection .
And the period of the effluvium coincides with the period where I eated a lot of bread and pasta ( plenty of gluten ) because if was starting to do some sports and I wanted energy .

I shed much less hair now , I think not more than any person without male pattern baldness would , and the coverage is better
I don't know if it's due to my regimen or what I stopped eating ( or trying to )
It seems that when I eat stuff that have gluten or lactose in them , I shed more hairs some time after ( additionaly to having digestive problems ) , but I still can't say for sure that I have celiac disease .

PS : I do care , a lot , my life has been crap untill now and when I get better and start studying again , this ruins it all . And it's driving me crazy because I don't know where to stand .

You have hairloss man. It is very clear in the first pic. Your temples are quite receeded.

The first phase everyone goes through is blaming it on something other than hairloss. My initial excuse was that I thought I was dying my hair too much, and that was the cause of hairloss.

You are losing your hair! Even if it was a mature hairline, it still looks like you are balding. I've accepted my receded hairline, and mine isn't as receded and high up as yours.

 

[Thickandthin]

wow. It never ceases to amaze me how much thicker wavy hair is than straight. I could never hide a NW3 pattern that well.

 

[tdawg7669]

I think making an arbitrary cutoff of a mature hairline is silly. The gray area between NW2 and 3 is confusing enough as it is. A mature hairline can be anything from a Norwood 1.5 to 2.5, imo. It all depends on if the hairloss will stop there or not. It all depends on which follicles are DHT resistant and which ones arent. There are other theories such as testosterone itself is what makes the temples recede, while DHT is the enemy of the rest of the hair on the scalp. I honestly dont know. All I know is that there are men out there, who progress to Norwood 2.5 and stop. I am not saying this guy is one of those guys, just that its possible.

A good indicator is if the hair that you have is thick, or if it is thinning. If your temples have receded but you have no thinning then I think you are good in most cases.

Now whether you consider Norwood 2/3 serious/considerable/noticeable hairloss is different for each person. I only would consider a hairline like that serious hair loss if it was accompanied by noticeable thinning. That is just me though.

this is incorrect. men do not progress to Norwood 2.5 and then "stop."

most likely you are observing this in men around 50.

at that age hair loss dramatically slows no matter what stage you are at.

there is nothing special about Norwood 2.5.

I observed it in my father, who progressed to Norwood 2.5 in his early 20's. Significant temple recession, but strong forelock and thick hair. Today he in his late 40's and he is...Norwood 2.5. No Meds, no transplants. Nothing. I have observed it in other people too.

Then again its possible that what I consider a Norwood 2.5 can really be a Norwood 2 with a big forehead. Thats one of the problems with evaluating hairloss, the line between Norwood 2 and 3 is murky at best.

 

[Autumn Sundown]

I think making an arbitrary cutoff of a mature hairline is silly. The gray area between NW2 and 3 is confusing enough as it is. A mature hairline can be anything from a Norwood 1.5 to 2.5, imo. It all depends on if the hairloss will stop there or not. It all depends on which follicles are DHT resistant and which ones arent. There are other theories such as testosterone itself is what makes the temples recede, while DHT is the enemy of the rest of the hair on the scalp. I honestly dont know. All I know is that there are men out there, who progress to Norwood 2.5 and stop. I am not saying this guy is one of those guys, just that its possible.

A good indicator is if the hair that you have is thick, or if it is thinning. If your temples have receded but you have no thinning then I think you are good in most cases.

Now whether you consider Norwood 2/3 serious/considerable/noticeable hairloss is different for each person. I only would consider a hairline like that serious hair loss if it was accompanied by noticeable thinning. That is just me though.

this is incorrect. men do not progress to Norwood 2.5 and then "stop."

most likely you are observing this in men around 50.

at that age hair loss dramatically slows no matter what stage you are at.

there is nothing special about Norwood 2.5.

My grandfather had a NW2.5 hairline in this 20's and had the same hairline in his mid 70's. His brother's hair is the same way.

 

[Preston]

wow. It never ceases to amaze me how much thicker wavy hair is than straight. I could never hide a NW3 pattern that well.

Well , I guess there must be an advantage , other than pseudofolliculitis barbae , hahaha
/not really laughing

I observed it in my father, who progressed to Norwood 2.5 in his early 20's. Significant temple recession, but strong forelock and thick hair. Today he in his late 40's and he is...Norwood 2.5. No Meds, no transplants. Nothing. I have observed it in other people too.

Then again its possible that what I consider a Norwood 2.5 can really be a Norwood 2 with a big forehead. Thats one of the problems with evaluating hairloss, the line between Norwood 2 and 3 is murky at best.

My grandfather had a NW2.5 hairline in this 20's and had the same hairline in his mid 70's. His brother's hair is the same way.

That's what I wanted to know because I've seen some people like that , but never really paid attention . It's possible it won't go any further , or not ... anyway I can't do much more than what I'm doing now ...

 

[dougfunny]

I think making an arbitrary cutoff of a mature hairline is silly. The gray area between NW2 and 3 is confusing enough as it is. A mature hairline can be anything from a Norwood 1.5 to 2.5, imo. It all depends on if the hairloss will stop there or not. It all depends on which follicles are DHT resistant and which ones arent. There are other theories such as testosterone itself is what makes the temples recede, while DHT is the enemy of the rest of the hair on the scalp. I honestly dont know. All I know is that there are men out there, who progress to Norwood 2.5 and stop. I am not saying this guy is one of those guys, just that its possible.

A good indicator is if the hair that you have is thick, or if it is thinning. If your temples have receded but you have no thinning then I think you are good in most cases.

Now whether you consider Norwood 2/3 serious/considerable/noticeable hairloss is different for each person. I only would consider a hairline like that serious hair loss if it was accompanied by noticeable thinning. That is just me though.

this is incorrect. men do not progress to Norwood 2.5 and then "stop."

most likely you are observing this in men around 50.

at that age hair loss dramatically slows no matter what stage you are at.

there is nothing special about Norwood 2.5.

My grandfather had a NW2.5 hairline in this 20's and had the same hairline in his mid 70's. His brother's hair is the same way.

this i have to see. if you can show me pictures of this i will shut up for the longest time. :shock:

 

[macimate]

Exactly the same with my grandfather. I've seen pics from when he was about 25 and he's an NW2 maybe 2.5, so let's say Norwood 2.3 And today at 85 years old he is absolutely the same.

 

[Defiance]

^^^

Ive got a friend who has a deep NW3 with super thick hair everwhere else, no balding on crown at all. He shaves it completely though, as his temples go literally half way back on top of his head. This hit him hard at about 15-18, now hes nearly 22 and his hairline is exactly the same as when he was 18. His dad has the same nw3 hairline from when he was 16 aswell. Strange pattern

Hairlines sure are crazy, its hard to say really where the cut off between a mature hairline and male pattern baldness is.

 

[dougfunny]

maybe it is a widows peak?

 

[Vanzzzz]

I think it is just the genetics. You have certain hair follicles being susceptible to DHT attacks and others are not. That is why some people stop at NW2-3 while others progress to NW4-7. At least this is my theory.

If not, theoretically all balding me should progress to NW7 eventually which is not the case.

 

[dougfunny]

I think it is just the genetics. You have certain hair follicles being susceptible to DHT attacks and others are not. That is why some people stop at NW2-3 while others progress to NW4-7. At least this is my theory.

If not, theoretically all balding me should progress to NW7 eventually which is not the case.

how do you know it's not the case. this funny like thing called DEATH usually gets in the way first.

 

[tdawg7669]

I think some men have follicles that are really weak against DHT in the temples, while the rest of the follicles are DHT resistant. Also in the case of my father(and hopefully me), my hair in the center comes down a little bit further than where the juvenile hairline usually is, but we both have big foreheads at the same time.

Of course I might also go full blown bald, as my uncle is NW6 and started losing early. Then again at the same time he is only my dad's half brother.

Its a very hard thing to predict and it sucks not knowing my fate.

 

[tdawg7669]

I think it is just the genetics. You have certain hair follicles being susceptible to DHT attacks and others are not. That is why some people stop at NW2-3 while others progress to NW4-7. At least this is my theory.

If not, theoretically all balding me should progress to NW7 eventually which is not the case.

how do you know it's not the case. this funny like thing called DEATH usually gets in the way first.

We know in the case of people who start early and then stop at NW2/2.5/3 for whatever reason. If the guy started at 45 and died at 60, you could say that he didnt have enough time to go NW7. However somebody that starts in his 20's and lives to his 70's and is a Norwood 2/3 at his death, probably wasnt going to lose more hair even if he lived to 100.

 

[fodandahalf]

I genuinely think the majority of posters here are just wrong. There is absolutely no way from that picture to determine what is going on with this guy's hair. Sure there is some recession and the hairline is high. However, my hairline has always sat 3.5 inches above my brow at every point, and although it seems receded now, very little has actually gone, and the measurements are still constant throughout- around 3.5 inches. Nobody knows enough about male pattern baldness for a bunch of armchair degree hairloss 'experts' to go saying what is happening with somebody's hairline from an unclear picture. I'd consider myself a norwood 2, even though the centre of my hairline hasn't moved a milimeter, and the corners have only gone back a bit. However, I'm guessing I'd be judged by this forum to have a norwood 3 which is going to progress much further. I doubt it myself.