Men With Persistent Sexual Symptoms After Finasteride Show No Evidence Of Androgen Deficiency

[MikeW]

f*** finasteride. I pray I recover from these debilitating symptoms.

 

[MikeW]

5ar controls so much more than just DHT. it controls several other hormones and neurosteroids in the brain and central nervous system.

 

[MikeW]

Never more write this sentence!
Even don't try make this drug banned!

Fu*k your propaganda against the finasteride.

I'll fight always and forever to this drug wouldn't was banned.

People! Finasteride is the ONLY ONE DRUG which is approved for hair loss treatment, ONLY ONE in most countries in the world, probably everywhere.

And you want make it was banned ?
You should be very happy that you can to treat your balding at all!

If you don't want take finasteride, don't take it, what a fuc*** problem ?
But don't prohibit take this drug by other people. Don't do it.

You have a mental health issue, not a hair loss issue. You have body dysmorphic disorder.

 

[MikeW]

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But I can think that You have a mental health issue, not me.

Who are you ? Are you a psychiatrist?
You don't have any competents to judge someone's mental health.

I got DESTROYED by Finasteride. This thread is about severe Finasteride side effects. Why are you even posting in here.

This drug you praise has ruined thousands of men.

 

[michel sapin]

mikew you are overreacting bro . how much propecia have you taken ? the only irreversible sides with propecia is gyno when you've got fibrosis .
all the other sides disapear within 2 month max after stopping propecia . for me after 2 years all the ED sides disapear with 3 weeks . it is just those damn puffy nipples which dont disapear

 

[ahmed wolf]

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mikew you are overreacting bro . how much propecia have you taken ? the only irreversible sides with propecia is gyno when you've got fibrosis .
all the other sides disapear within 2 month max after stopping propecia . for me after 2 years all the ED sides disapear with 3 weeks . it is just those damn puffy nipples which dont disapear

whats ur stats like hight and bf?

 

[Ashkan63]

If there was not finastride i would be bald ,so long live finastride

 

[MikeW]

mikew you are overreacting bro . how much propecia have you taken ? the only irreversible sides with propecia is gyno when you've got fibrosis .
all the other sides disapear within 2 month max after stopping propecia . for me after 2 years all the ED sides disapear with 3 weeks . it is just those damn puffy nipples which dont disapear

Than why do sites like propeciahelp.com and pfsfoundation.org exist?

If there was not finastride i would be bald ,so long live finastride

And you have probably shortened your life span by 10 to 15 years in the process. Pray to God your endocrine system doesn't crash. Because if it does, you will wish for death.

Trust me.

 

[dralex]

5ar controls so much more than just DHT. it controls several other hormones and neurosteroids in the brain and central nervous system.

Except finasteride barely inhibits type 1 5ar, while dutasteride is over 100 times more potent at inhibiting type 1 5ar. Type 1 5ar is the one highly present in the brain, not type 2. Why do people claim to have these side effects equally from finasteride and dutasteride, and some claim dutasteride causes less sides. That would make absolutely no sense.

 

[MikeW]

Except finasteride barely inhibits type 1 5ar, while dutasteride is over 100 times more potent at inhibiting type 1 5ar. Type 1 5ar is the one highly present in the brain, not type 2. Why do people claim to have these side effects equally from finasteride and dutasteride, and some claim dutasteride causes less sides. That would make absolutely no sense.

The mechanism of how Finasteride works or the molecule is different than Dutasteride.

I have been hit with debilitating sides from 4 weeks of finasteride usage.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

The mechanism of how Finasteride works or the molecule is different than Dutasteride.

I have been hit with debilitating sides from 4 weeks of finasteride usage.

It makes no sense that dutasteride has fewer side effects than finasteride.
It would make no sense if dutasteride had the same number of side effects as finasteride.

But that seems to be the case empirically.

 

[MikeW]

It makes no sense that dutasteride has fewer side effects than finasteride.
It would make no sense if dutasteride had the same number of side effects as finasteride.

But that seems to be the case empirically.

I just know I'm completely fucked up and am desperate to feel better. It feels like I have dementia.

finasteride lowers Allopregnanolone in the brain, low levels of Allopregnanolone have been shown with people who have Alzheimer's and Dementia and major depression.

Some people's systems can handle the changes but others don't. From all of my PFS research, low Allopregnanolone is responsible for the mental and cognitive side effects.

There have been various theories of how to raise them back up again. Apparently SSRI's raise it significantly but SSRI'S have a whole other set of side effects including ED.

What a cluster f***..

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I just know I'm completely fucked up and am desperate to feel better. It feels like I have dementia.

finasteride lowers Allopregnanolone in the brain, low levels of Allopregnanolone have been shown with people who have Alzheimer's and Dementia and major depression.

Some people's systems can handle the changes but others don't. From all of my PFS research, low Allopregnanolone is responsible for the mental and cognitive side effects.

There have been various theories of how to raise them back up again. Apparently SSRI's raise it significantly but SSRI'S have a whole other set of side effects including ED.

What a cluster f***..

I'll note that these drugs are not well understood at all. It may be that finasteride affects chemicals other than 5AR, and we just have no idea about it. New hormones and new enzymes are discovered all the time.

My understanding of the prozac use is that some people microdose it.

What do you plan on trying next?

 

[sunchyme1]

david is right the drugs are poorly understood. if they were thousands of poor fuckers wouldn't be left with persistent sides that doctor cant figure out. the drug will always be divided with those who don't get sides and those who do. the ones who don't simply cannot appreciate how f*****g awful it can make you feel. it felt like I was being poisoned. POISONED. but the guys who seemly don't get them don't really understand what all the fuss about it. its like taking a vitamin to them. a sugar pill. its nothing

mike I really wouldn't waste my time trying all these different methods to make yourself feel better. it could make it worse. thousands of guys try all kinds of things on propeciahelp and solvepfs but it gets them nowhere.

the drug affects so many different things in so many ways you could list a thousand things to try to get better.

honestly if I were you I would just follow cdnuts protocol for a few months. leave out the prohormones for now until you've properly researched them. you need to get your body healthy again. taking a load more pills isn't the way man.

 

[MikeW]

I'm am going to start CDNUTS protocol after Christmas.

Lots of guys have been saying Sorghum is helping with their symptoms.

It's an African grain which is very androgenic that had been shown to significantly increase 5ar activity. As well as supplementing Creatine. I'm a lifter and used to use Creatine in the past. It significantly raises DHT levels up to 57%

It's just hard to weight training when you are brain fogged and feeling brain dead 24/7.

I thought this drug could cause sexual side effects. I was never aware the cognitive and mental damage it could do...

So healthy diet, weight training intensively to boost Testosterone, Sorghum to raise 5ar activity, and creatine for a dht increase.

If that gets me nowhere I will do CDNUTS protocol.

 

[MikeW]

david is right the drugs are poorly understood. if they were thousands of poor fuckers wouldn't be left with persistent sides that doctor cant figure out. the drug will always be divided with those who don't get sides and those who do. the ones who don't simply cannot appreciate how f*****g awful it can make you feel. it felt like I was being poisoned. POISONED. but the guys who seemly don't get them don't really understand what all the fuss about it. its like taking a vitamin to them. a sugar pill. its nothing

mike I really wouldn't waste my time trying all these different methods to make yourself feel better. it could make it worse. thousands of guys try all kinds of things on propeciahelp and solvepfs but it gets them nowhere.

the drug affects so many different things in so many ways you could list a thousand things to try to get better.

honestly if I were you I would just follow cdnuts protocol for a few months. leave out the prohormones for now until you've properly researched them. you need to get your body healthy again. taking a load more pills isn't the way man.

Finasteride also caused me muscle loss/atrophy.

This drug basically turns you into a woman hormonally and some guys are fine and have no problems, other guys crash beyond belief and have SEVERE problems.

I should of done a hormonal profile before I started. I could of had low DHT to begin with and just very sensitive hair follicles. Propecia probably decimated my DHT to zero causing all these hypogonadal symptoms. Essentially PFS is hypogonadism, but the treatments to treat hypogonadism because of finasteride usage has little to no effect on people.

 

[MikeW]

Or try supplementing with DHT prohormones. The issue is the 5ar enzyme might have been damaged from finasteride and T will not convert to DHT no matter what you do.

 

[sunchyme1]

I'm am going to start CDNUTS protocol after Christmas.

Lots of guys have been saying Sorghum is helping with their symptoms.

It's an African grain which is very androgenic that had been shown to significantly increase 5ar activity. As well as supplementing Creatine. I'm a lifter and used to use Creatine in the past. It significantly raises DHT levels up to 57%

It's just hard to weight training when you are brain fogged and feeling brain dead 24/7.

I thought this drug could cause sexual side effects. I was never aware the cognitive and mental damage it could do...

So healthy diet, weight training intensively to boost Testosterone, Sorghum to raise 5ar activity, and creatine for a dht increase.

If that gets me nowhere I will do CDNUTS protocol.

ive read that too about sorghum. but ive also read a bunch of guys have taken it and felt absolutey nothing. so who knows?

its good your a lifter, having a weight training routine should be easy as f*** for you if your already used to it.

I too was only looking out for sexual sides. which I hardly got. it was everything else that fucked me.

I don't know what to say about creatine, I don't know anything about it really. I really don't know if its a good idea or not to use it. I am still learning all this stuff myself. all I know is I will be trying cdnuts protocol next year. it seems to be working for a lot of people.

 

[sunchyme1]

Or try supplementing with DHT prohormones. The issue is the 5ar enzyme might have been damaged from finasteride and T will not convert to DHT no matter what you do.

I don't know the science of all this myself. but I am pretty sure I read something recently about reactivating the 5ar enzyme over on swolesource. and that the guys over there treating their pfs are getting better. slowly but surely getting better

 

[MikeW]

I would recommend Creatine, it will raise DHT levels. However I don't know if it will improve your symptoms. Can't hurt to try.


Messing with DHT is a very bad idea. All of these young guys taking Propecia now saying it's saved their life and their hair and it's a miracle with no side effects will eventually find out the hard way later down the road.