MINOXIDIL SHED

[eduardmc]

I'M USING
PROSCAR - 1.25MG X1 DAY
15% minoxidil - 1X DAY
5% minoxidil - 2X DAY
NIZORA - 3X WEEK
CENTRUM 1X DAY
BIOTIN 3X DAY


NOT GOOD AT ALL. I HAVE BEEN WITH MY REGIMEN ONLY 2 MONTHS
STARTED WITH minoxidil 5% AND AFTER A MONTHS ADDED 15% minoxidil AND PROSCAR.

IT SEEMS LIKE MY HAIR DOESN'T WANT TO GROW ANYMORE.

I HAVE DIFFUSING HAIRLOSS ALL OVER MY TOP SCALP. BUT ALL MY HAIRLOSS STARTED DIFFUSING IN MY FRONTAL SESSION, NOT RECEDING. I HAVE BEEN LOSING MY HAIR FOR 2 YEARS NOW, BUT LIKE WE ALL DID, WE THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY OUR IMAGINATION AND HAIRLOSS COULD NEVER HAPPEN TO SOME ONE SO YOUNG (21) MANNNNN THAT'S FOR OLD PEOPLE. WHEN I GO TO GET A HAIRCUT I NOW ASK MY BARBER NOT TO TOUCH THE TOP AND ONLY TO FIX MY SIDES CAUSE THEY GROW REALLY FAST COMPARE TO MY TOP (VERTEX, TEMPLE, FRONTAL, CROWN).
MAN IT BEEN HELL.

THE MILLION DOLLAR minoxidil QUESTION I WAS ASKING AND I'M GETTING THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW IS.

IF I USE minoxidil AND I HAVE THE SHEDDING THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, WILL I GROW THOSE HAIR BACK, OR WILL I LOOK MORE BALD BUT ALEAST STOP FURTHER HAIRLOSS?

WELL I DID HAVE A 3 WEEKS BAD *** SHED, WHICH MY HAIRLOSS WASN'T NOTICEABLE BEFORE I STARTED minoxidil (ONLY I NEW ABOUT MY HAIRLOSS) BUT NOW I LOOK COMPLETLY FRONTAL BALD, ASKING MY BARBER NOT TO CUT MY FRONTAL HAIR CAUSE HAVING THEN LONG IS THE ONLY WAY TO COVER MY NOW VISIBLE SCALP ( EVEN AFTER IS STILL VERY NOTICEABLE) AND DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GEL, OR WET HAIR STYLES, BEFORE minoxidil, IT WAS MY FAVORITE STYLE, NOW IF I DO IT, MY SCALP IS VISIBLE ON MILE RANGE. MY CONFIDENT NOW IS ON THE FLOOR. I ALREADY STARTED MAKING EXCUSES TO STAY HOME AND NOT GO TO HANG OUT WITH MY FRIENDS (ONLY AT NIGHTS I GO OUT). AND I'M STARTING RUMOR THAT I'M TIRE OF HAVING HAIR, AND TELLING MY FRIENDS THAT I GET SO MAD WITH MY GIRL THAT ONE OF THIS DAYS I'M GOING TO SHAVE MY HEAD (AND YOU ALL KNOW WHY I'M SAYING THAT)

IS TO EARLY TO TELL IF IT GOING TO GET BETTER, I SEE ALOT OF HAIR GROWING IN MY TEMPLES (IT HAPEN AFTER 15% minoxidil, REALLY GOOD sh*t), NON IN MY FRONTAL DIFUSING AND THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GROW HAIR.

I KNOW SOMEONE IS GOING TO BLAME ME FOR THIS 2 MONTH UPDATE BUT I KNOW MY REGIMEN WORKS. I ONLY WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ABOUT minoxidil SHED, THAT THIS FORUM NEVER GAVE A REAL ANSWER.

BEFORE minoxidil - HAIRLOSS WAS NOT VISIBLE, ONLY I KNEW ABOUT HAIRLOSS

AFTER minoxidil SHED - LOSS ALMOST ALL MY FRONTAL HAIR, VERY VISIBLE, CAN'T HIDE MY HAIRLOSS, AND DON'T KNOW IF I WILL GROW THE HAIR THAT I SHED SO BAD, DON'T KNOW WHEN OR IF .

I WAS SATISFY WITH MY HAIR BEFORE minoxidil, I WAS ONLY LOOKING TO STOP HAIRLOSS, BUT NOW AFTER minoxidil I HAVE TO REGROW MY FRONTAL HAIRLOSS, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKING LIKE THIS IN THE YEARS AHEAD AND ALL BECAUSE OF minoxidil SSSSSHHHHEEEEDDDDDDDD.

I'LL GIVE AN 4 MONTH UPDATE

 

[jblig]

if you were only looking to stop the hairloss(maintenance) you should of begun with just propecia....

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

First off, please don't post subject headings like "Almost Bald from Minoxidil Shed". As much as you may have shed, Minoxidil did not take you from a thinning full head of hair to "Almost Bald". You're going to scare the hell out of people who don't know any better, and frustrate those of us who do.

I HAVE BEEN WITH MY REGIMEN ONLY 2 MONTHS

You should not evaluate your progress until you've reached 6 months. Things can and do get worse during the first few months, and 99% of the time get better if you stick with it. 2 months is far too soon to be posting concerns about lack of results.

IF I USE minoxidil AND I HAVE THE SHEDDING THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, WILL I GROW THOSE HAIR BACK, OR WILL I LOOK MORE BALD BUT ALEAST STOP FURTHER HAIRLOSS?

Unfortunately, you've added 15% minoxidil, which is not a product that has any data we can look to, to answer your question. It could make things worse or better. We have no way of knowing. It depends on how you respond. Since you aren't just using Propecia and minoxidil 5% we can't give you *any* solid response to this question. Im also confused as to why you are using 15% one time a day and 5% two times a day. The recommended dosage is 5% two times daily, period.

ILL GIVE A FOUR MONTH UPDATE

Please don't. Give a 6 or 8 month update only.

minoxidil sheds are normal, but as I said, you're using 15% so you're in no-man's land as far as "assurances" go. This was your choice.

If you were just using 5% minoxidil, we could tell you that minimal shedding is to be expected, and it will all come back. That's as far as we can factually go in answering your question.

gourmetstylewellness.com

 

[eduardmc]

well dr. lee says that 15% xandrox give more beneficial effects than 5%.
and i believe dr.lee cause if he was lying, his name wouldn;t be so famous
has he is now, --my respect to DR.LEE--
i never said that minoxidil doesn't work, in fact if i have one choice of any medicen or topical solution it would be minoxidil but
people have to know that minoxidil can cause shedding.

i use minoxidil 5% 2x day and 15% 1x day how?
well morning 5% in my entire scalp.
and at night 15% on my frontal hair loss and 5% for the middle to back scalp. so that's = to 2x day 5% and 1x day 15%.
actually 15% didn't cause me any shedding, it was only 5% alone. when i started 15% the shedding was over and i haven't gotten any more shed after that. not to give DR. Lee any promotion, but with 15% i'm seeing alot of regrowth in my temple, in one month i could see hundreds of hair around my temples that never were there before, (not that i really need then, cause i'm looking for behind the hairline regrowth and i haven't notice any) 15% does leave me a lot more residual than 5% and is very stiff after application. it leave your hair looking like a mix of hard gel with vaselin and spray or something

at why didn't i use propecia alone?
cause at the rate i was loosing my hair, i couldn't wait for propecia to take effect 3 months after i started. i wanted something to take effect withing weeks and only minoxidil can do that.
from this forum i have read that minoxidil, after small unoticeable shed, hairloss slowdown or stop and further hairgrow happen after that. so i had 2 choices and minoxidil seem more reasonable for faster result.

 

[The Gardener]

i couldn't wait for propecia to take effect 3 months after i started. i wanted something to take effect withing weeks and only minoxidil can do that.
from this forum i have read that minoxidil, after small unoticeable shed, hairloss slowdown or stop and further hairgrow happen after that. so i had 2 choices and minoxidil seem more reasonable for faster result.

Eduardmc,

There are NO treatments yet that can promise a fast solution to hairloss. If you hear of one, they are lying. minoxidil does not take effect within weeks. Consider this, it takes a hair in resting state 3 months before it even starts to become visible as a new hair. Hair grows fairly quickly, but because your head of hair is made of follicles in different stages of resting and growth it will be a matter of months before you should make any evaluation. In effect, it is normal to see SOME signs of improvement, as you say you have seen, quickly but the restoration of a hairline requires several hair cycles and will take longer, assuming that you continue to respond positively to minoxidil as you say you have. I have used minoxidil twice as long as you, 4 months, and I too am only seeing 'signs' of positive effect but cannot claim 'success' nor do I expect to until more months of hair cycling are allowed to happen. You really have to be patient and persistent.

Everything you have said and described in your messages would indicate to me that you are on the right track. Nothing you said surprises me or gives me any concern. Keep with it!

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

and i believe dr.lee cause if he was lying, his name wouldn;t be so famous

That's .... interesting ... logic.

Dr. Lee is a scientist. One of many. Every scientist, as famous as they may be, has an opinion. Doesn't mean he's lying or not lying. What we are saying is you can't know anything about a treatment without testing it first. That is a rule that every single scientist on this planet acknowledges. You as a consumer should expect it. Or at least know that you can't know some things, since it has not been tested. Dr. Lee has made an educated guess that it will work better. He doesn't know it for sure, and he can't make the claim without clinical testing. Point being, don't believe everything you hear. Think critically and look for clinical data. Sometimes I wonder if you guys truly understand how much information is missing when clinical data is missing. Its important stuff!

people have to know that minoxidil can cause shedding.

People do know that. It says it right on the Rogaine box. You said it made you go almost bald. People don't need to hear that. That's an exagerration and it will scare people, not help them. That will make them avoid using it.

cause at the rate i was loosing my hair, i couldn't wait for propecia to take effect 3 months after i started. i wanted something to take effect withing weeks and only minoxidil can do that.

eduard, no offense buddy, but a lot of your facts are wrong on these treatments. But that's why were here. To help educate Any treatment that works, both Rogaine or Propecia, takes a minimum of 3 to 6 months to show results. Some people take up to 1 year to see results.

gourmetstylewellness.com

 

[eduardmc]

non of the treatments are 100% i know that but i'm not really blaming minoxidil cause i know that sooner or later my hair was going to be the same way it is now. only that minoxidil shed accelatator the process, but i prefer that it was cause by minoxidil and not as regular hairloss.
don't get me wrong i'm all positive about this. i'm not planning on stoping my regimen until a year if i only see lost and no gain. and if i don't see good results with my regimen then i know that nothing will. everyday i think about shaving my head but i wasn't cut out for it (just like all of u who wants to keep a set full of hair) but treatment wise i think is better. i'm planing cause minoxidil is easier to penetrate and u are making sure that is really wetting your scalp and not just your hair. darm, u won't even miss a spot with shave head. but like most of u i don't have the guts to do it.

and one more thing, if you think about it, topical solutions always seems like a better choices than pills for external use situation. but then again i'm no scientist.

 

[X190]

minoxidil, etc...

15% minoxidil??? You won't catch that on me drunk.

XL

 

[jackster]

the hairs that you shed with initial treatment with minoxidil will grow back..you should really read up on the balding process..your hairs have been miniturizing over the years and to reverse that pattern it will take many many cycles of effective treatment.

you just started minoxidil, so maybe it was not wise jumping into the 15% so soon..you should of gave the 5% 6 months and then evaluated your situation. i understand what your doing as far as dosing..your using the 15% up front only....give it another 4 months and re-evaluate at that time..as far as the 15%, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH USER FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME..WE SHOULD GET A GOOD INDICATION AT THE END OF APRIL. minoxidil is dose dependant..but that minoxidil has to get to the follicle....goodluck

 

[ShedMaster]

Re: minoxidil, etc...

15% minoxidil??? You won't catch that on me drunk.

XL

Xzel, again with the drinking references.. do I need to repeat myself? You are drunk right now, aren't you?? :beer:

 

[X190]

Re: minoxidil, etc...

Xzel, again with the drinking references.. do I need to repeat myself? You are drunk right now, aren't you?? :beer:

Heh heh... Love that smiley.

XL

 

[eduardmc]

has you can see, i have been on my regimen for such a short time (2 months). but reading my post you all know that i'm not worry at all about propecia side effects, or minoxidil side effect (1month supply of minoxidil last only 2 week for me) but i'm really worry if all of the hair that i shed are coming back at all (i'll be happy if they do and don't regrow any more hair since my hair is really thin all over my scalp since the shed).

did any of u guy out there who have had minoxidil shed, have recover from it and how long did it take for a fully regrow of all the shed hair?

i'm trying to believe myself that my hair is actually looking better everyday. but after i use nizoral and it looks clean and all. i can see that is actually worse than when i started my regimen (minoxidil 15% make your hair look like you have the ticker hair in the world after applying it.). i know that keeping my regimen will make it better in a few more month or so. but right now is
scarying the sh*t out of me. i do mention minoxidil 15% a lot, and is because i'm really impress by the product. is a very powefull sh*t. and do the math.
2% result in 4 month
5% result in 2 month (and 56% more regrowth than 2% clinically proven)
15% it could be withing weeks. (never been proven clinically)

but what i'm seen is higher percentage on minoxidil, give better result.
if 50% minoxidil comes out i'll be the first one to buy it.

one last question, is there any other place which they sell 15% or something closer to that % (not lotion only solution). cause DR.Lee is really expensive.
but if there's no other place. i guess i'll keep buying from him. is really worth keeping a regimen if it is working, doesn't matter how much i pay.

hairloss is such a problem and a dificult situation for me to handle (stressfull) that if there's ever a cure for hairloss. i woiuld pay wherever the price is, even if i have to work more than 80 hours a week and no sleep for years only to get the money. that's when i'll be happy again.

since hairloss started my life hasn't been the same. i'm not really happy anymore when i should have been. i was actually looking to buy a brand new car, when i got it (rsx type s 2004) it was like i didn't care anymore, and all because of hairlosss.

 

[Resultsnottypical]

minoxidil shed

I've been on minoxidil a bit over 4 months..with positive, observable results...as some of you know (and have seen my pics) I shave my head with a razor. I tend to let it grow a little about once a week, and try to see if there are changes in the crown, etc. There has been more volume to the hairs.

BUT, there seems to be a shedding phase coming on. I assume that is normal and probably a sign of greater things to come. I do notice that the bald spot is reversing (closing in). The outer edges of it, which were turning me into a horseshoe, are starting to fill back up and creep back inwards. The front isn't so great. But I have blond hair and ANYONE with short blond hair is going to have visible scalp showing.

So, patience is key. I am going to go without shaving for several weeks at the 6 month mark and see if it is doing better. If not, I will just keep shaving! Unlike some, I am only looking to have a light patch on top, something cut down to a #1 or #2 guard.

 

[Mad Woes]

IF I USE minoxidil AND I HAVE THE SHEDDING THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, WILL I GROW THOSE HAIR BACK, OR WILL I LOOK MORE BALD BUT ALEAST STOP FURTHER HAIRLOSS?

Unfortunately, you've added 15% minoxidil, which is not a product that has any data we can look to, to answer your question. It could make things worse or better. We have no way of knowing. It depends on how you respond. Since you aren't just using Propecia and minoxidil 5% we can't give you *any* solid response to this question. Im also confused as to why you are using 15% one time a day and 5% two times a day. The recommended dosage is 5% two times daily, period.
gourmetstylewellness.com[/quote]

So I have also added 15% xandrox within the last two months and I have been having a similar shedding problem for the last two weeks, so I sympathize with the orginal poster's distress. I have recently cut back on the 15% since the shedding is worse than I expected (fortunately, the majority of the hairs appear to be thinner and shorter than the thickest hairs my scalp is capable of producing; hopefully their replacements are bigger and badder). Dr. Lee's web site makes it clear that significant shedding can be expected from use of this product, but he says it all should grow back thicker.

Anyway, I am curious why 5% is the magic number for minoxidil... Why isn't 6% better? I have checked a lot of the original minoxidil peer reviewed literature, and it seems all they ever compared was 1%, 2%, 3% and 5%. Does anyone know if it is true that it indeed was a solubility limitation that determined the 5% dose? It doesn't seem that anyone has published results for super-5% topical preparations...

The best I can do at the moment in terms of evaluating the efficacy of 15% minoxidil scientifically is to mention the study of Kurata et al. (see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract) which found maximal DNA synthesis (read: hair growth) at a minoxidil concentration between .1 and .5 mM. The concentration of minoxidil in a 5% solution is about .2 mM, which is (probably) the ABSOLUTE highest concentration of minoxidil a hair follicle will see. However, the actual concentration that the follicles see is likely much MUCH lower (difficult to estimate, but I would guess that the peak is around .02 mM); remember that some solvent vehicle systems (eg: ppg and ethanol) only admit 5% of the minoxidil to the hair follicles. The rest stays on the scalp being useless. So from this simple analysis, it would appear that a 15% minoxidil solution might make some sense. I would LOVE to hear a better defense/denounciation of 15% minoxidil if anyone has one. I am going to slow back on my use of 15% since, as has been pointed out, this is largely uncharted territory (although I would like to know why...) and the shedding is pissing me off...
MW

 

[The Gardener]

IF I USE minoxidil AND I HAVE THE SHEDDING THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, WILL I GROW THOSE HAIR BACK, OR WILL I LOOK MORE BALD BUT ALEAST STOP FURTHER HAIRLOSS?

Unfortunately, you've added 15% minoxidil, which is not a product that has any data we can look to, to answer your question. It could make things worse or better. We have no way of knowing. It depends on how you respond. Since you aren't just using Propecia and minoxidil 5% we can't give you *any* solid response to this question. Im also confused as to why you are using 15% one time a day and 5% two times a day. The recommended dosage is 5% two times daily, period.
gourmetstylewellness.com

Anyway, I am curious why 5% is the magic number for minoxidil... Why isn't 6% better? I have checked a lot of the original minoxidil peer reviewed literature, and it seems all they ever compared was 1%, 2%, 3% and 5%. Does anyone know if it is true that it indeed was a solubility limitation that determined the 5% dose? It doesn't seem that anyone has published results for super-5% topical preparations...

Good question. I read something on this, but I can't remember the exact source or details, but consider this... Rogaine markets itself at 5% strength as being the optimal dosage. It says on the documentation that dosages in excess of the 1ml of 5% will NOT increase the odds of regrowth but will increase the chances of unfavorable side effects.

In order for them to print this, and still retain their claims, I would suspect that they have some data to back this up, else they would open themselves up to legal action.

 

[eduardmc]

people are really confuse by the amount of minoxidil we are suppose to use.
here is a really simple answer.
in any minoxidil brand, the box specify that only 1ml should be use and that more minoxidil won't accelarate regrowth.
but for minoxidil to work you need to hit the scalp that is affected by hairloss RIGHT. what are you suppose to do if u use 1ml and it wasn't enough to apply it to all the affected area.
YOU HAVE TO USE MORE ---RIGHT. and believe me, for some people 1ml is enough but for others it can only cover the temple and frontal area, needing more minoxidil to apply it in the vertex and crown.

 

[Guest]

people are really confuse by the amount of minoxidil we are suppose to use.
here is a really simple answer.
in any minoxidil brand, the box specify that only 1ml should be use and that more minoxidil won't accelarate regrowth.
but for minoxidil to work you need to hit the scalp that is affected by hairloss RIGHT. what are you suppose to do if u use 1ml and it wasn't enough to apply it to all the affected area.
YOU HAVE TO USE MORE ---RIGHT. and believe me, for some people 1ml is enough but for others it can only cover the temple and frontal area, needing more minoxidil to apply it in the vertex and crown.

I use 2 Ml per application.

 

[elguapo]

Yeah, the rogaine box and its instructions are fuzzy, but I have an idea about why:

1) I think ONE POSSIBLE reason for the "5% vs. 6%" argument is simply that there isn't enough money to run clinical trials for a 4, and 5, and 6, and... 10% solution. I think some decision went into choosing 5%, and then they went ahead and ran clinical trials on many many poeple with that percentage.

2) Since the clinical trials were only done on the vertex, as the box and pamphlet says, that is the area that they promise to cover with the amount of 1ml. Me, I'm a diffuse thinner. I use freegin 3ml each time, 2x a day. 1ml simply cannot cover my entire head. But they don't mention that, because they didn't run clinical tests for frontal and other areas.

3) What also bothers me is they say if you don't see any effects after 4 months, stop using it, or something like this. That's dumb, because it could certainly not be producing any GROWTH, but rather MAINTAINING the hairs that are still there. This is the one thing I think they should definitely change in their pamphlet.

So don't let the "rules" that they list make you think you can't do what you need to do with it. It is a science, but also an art to some extent. Do what is right for you. But very good questions, my friend. I wondered the same.

 

[crossingfingers]

xandrox 15 side effects

i have been using xandrox 15 for about 8 months now. I use a bigger portion on my right hairline. I noticed that i have been breaking out more often on my right side of my face and my left side is virtually spotless? Anybody have this same experience? Could the high dosage of minoxidil cause an increase in facial hair and vellus hairs shedding more on the face, thus, causing breakouts? Prior to that i never had any little zits at all whatsoever on my right side of the face.