My Dinner with Dr. Gho

[salazam]

so when does he plan to make this available to the public

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

What was the deal with having a "confidential dinner"? What was the need for being so hush hush and then asking us to ask you questions when the meeting was already over? I dont get it.

Oh, that was my request. 3 years ago I published some articles about Gho that suggested people wait for him to publish his work, wait for him to come forward with his research, and wait for him to stop being so secretive. This advice was given to me by other doctors, and I felt it was the responsible advice to give to my users. People on hairsite in the hair multiplication forums at times got psychotic about this topic, and there literally was a cult following for Dr. Gho. After publishing these articles, these people started contacting me anonymously, literally leaving me death threats. One guy contacted me via AIM, tried to get me to call him from my home phone (by lying about who he was), and when I refused, his true colors came out. He swore he would one day find me and make me "pay" for the things I was doing to harm the "Hair Multiplication Movement". Dr. Gho contacted me several weeks ago, and requested to meet me at his seminars, but the last thing I was going to do is show my face in public (without a body guard!) at one of those seminars. So he suggested meeting him for dinner instead. I asked if I could bring Laura from HerAlopecia.com since she lives right there, and we made the plans.

His transplant procedure seems bogus.

Seems too good to be true, I agree, but in the end, its all about how legit the research is. He had piles of data, piles of actual electron microscope photographs demonstrating every single step of the process. There is no doubt he spent thousands on that "discovery channel-esque" electronic simulation/movie he showed me. If the research is bogus, he will never be published, and nothing will ever branch out. So as I've always said, look for the published work. He told me he will be attempting publishing in the coming months, and that will be the key because along with that comes peer review, and signoff from major names in the industry. This is why I so strongly require published data from hair loss treatments. Doesn't mean a pile of crap if they say they ran an "independant trial" and have "results". Show me the journal it was published in! Thats when they go silent.

I mean if the donor hair, theoretically, was able to stay in the donor area while the follicle moved to the front of the head, then you could do this innumerable times, meaning there's never a loss of donor hair, meaning that you could keep it going. Right? Or can you only do it once? Anyway, there would be no need for HM in that case, as his method would provide all the hair anyone would need.

Technically you can work on several different hairs in the donor area. Wouldn't have to keep extracting the same hairs. But theoretically yes, thats what you could do. Keep extracting the same hairs after it grows. The differences? Im not sure. My understanding is with Hair Multiplication he is attempting to find "Smart Cells" that can literally be injected into the scalp and migrate themselves and create equally dense hair everywhere. This is the challenge he has been unable to overcome. With this transplant procedure, I have a feeling something is unique in that this is a follicle with its own cells, and the % success of a single hair growing from that single extracted hair, is much higher.... than with HM. Again im new to all of this but a good question to ask him would be "Why is this transplant technique unique in % success and HM is having such problems? What is the fundamental difference between the two?" Ill email him and ask him today. Ill post his reply here.

Further, you are always limited by the amount of cutting and pinching the skin can handle.

Right now there are three procedures in the hair transplant surgery world going on. 1) The most common - strip excision. Literally removing scalp from your head and harvesting hairs from it for transplant to the front. You are extremely limited to the # of times you can do this. Usually just once or twice maximum. Major trauma. 2) FUE, FUT, etc... where entire follicles are removed from the donor area in tiny little punches, and then placed up front. Less trauma, faster healing, and almost 100% success, if you qualify for the procedure (NHI only allows certain skin and hair types to do this). Several doctors are doing this now, eliminating strip excision. 3) Gho's method where partial follicles are extracted. Pretty much the same level of trauma, however he has a custom made punch that is even smaller than FUT, FUE procedures are using. This means it technically is the *least* trauma to the donor site of any technique currently out there.

Where do you get such a procedure done? I am sure all the guys on here would love to have no scars and a fatter pocket book from Gho's procedure but he works in Sweden or Malaysia doesnt he? Who the hell has the money to travel over there? Might as well go to Australia and get the Woods method- same thing."

Not the same thing at all. Woods, Bauman, Cole, FUT, FUE, ... New hair institute, are all using procedure # 2 above. Its very different from Gho's, even though they both use a punch technique. Gho is doing it in the netherlands and in Aruba, which is closer. I asked him if people can come to aruba and NOT have the procedure done?

have a question. Does Gho give off that delusions of grandeur feeling after you talk to him for a while?

Yeah. I'm a skeptical person, as you all know, primarly because I don't want to be fooled by anyone. So I admittedly was cautious in my level of trust during the meeting. He did seem to claim to know more than everyone, and seemed to have genuine frustration that everyone else is barking up the wrong tree, etc... but who am I to say he's lying? If his documents, photographs, etc stand the test of peer review during publishing, we'll all know if he's legit or not. But yes, there definitely was an overall tone of "Ive been doing this for years. These guys are just figuring it out now. We knew this a long time ago" and he would shake his head.

I have been aware of Gho for a while now and remember not so long ago this site believed he was a hoax or someone that could not possibly be where he says he is concerning HM.

I never felt he was a hoax. There was a time when I wasn't sure he existed. I guess that qualifies as a hoax. But I was up front with Dr. Gho and I told him this during dinner. I said "It was really weird that some guy named David from harisite was the only person on planet earth who had ever met you, ever heard of you, and had any idea what you were doing". He laughed. I said "At hairsite you have a cult following. They think you're a God." He laughed again. Once I realized he did exist, my caution turned to waiting for him to publish his work before putting too much hope in him. That's where I've pretty much remained with this web site ever since.

s with his hair transplant is there any proof of this claim, because I am sure a lot of us would love to read more about the process.

What he showed me in the lobby of the marriott was elaborate as hell. A ton of cash went into it. Tons of data. Bryan shelton would have had an orgasm. He also had a lot of before and after photos of guys who have had the procedure done. Again there's a limit to 500 per procedure, so you're not seeing "bald - to - undetectable" density here. It was a speckling of improvement. 500 hairs isn't a whole lot. But you can go back and do it over and over.

so when does he plan to make this available to the public

I believe its currently available in netherlands and aruba. This is why he came to the states to do his meet and greet.

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[Cassin]

Sorry if I missed a reply to this.........

What does he think about dutasteride and Minoxidil?

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

dutasteride&minoxidil. These topics weren't touched on.

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[Cassin]

He is pulled in several directions, including several other health related projects including childrens skin conditions, burn healing, and diseases. He runs both companies and the whole hair multiplication thing is something he does somewhat on the side, as an added interest. As such, other things take priority sometimes, and hair projects have to come second. He seems to be a rather powerful guy, with a lot of responsibility, and a lot of things going on under his administration.

This is the one part that confuses me. If he truly believes in this, why isn't he going after this full time instead of a side project? Unless we are discussing something other than money related being the issue, he is sitting on a chest of Gold that would make Black Beard give up pirating he'd be so satisfied.


Also

Since he has such an interest in skin conditions, did he mention anything about copper-peptides?

What exactly is a "fraction of the cost" related to his price for this procedure?

Lastly

Did he have proper table manners?

 

[salazam]

so if you can go back and do it over an over again of 500 grafts from GHO , given you have enough money, isn't the battle against hairloss won!

 

[Healthy Nick]

Did you see any pictures of the procedure being done? Did you see pictures of the results? If he is doing this, then there has to be some strong evidence.

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

This is the one part that confuses me. If he truly believes in this, why isn't he going after this full time instead of a side project? Unless we are discussing something other than money related being the issue, he is sitting on a chest of Gold that would make Black Beard give up pirating he'd be so satisfied.

He hit on this exact topic. "People constantly emailng me calling me from the hair loss sites saying WHY DONT YOU FOCUS ON HAIR THINGS, FORGET THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE BURN VICTIMS, WE'RE SITTING HERE SUFFERING WITH HAIR LOSS!" ... he said it almost frustratedly... "They expect me to drop important research im responsible for, for people with serious medical conditions... kids with diseases, etc .. things I know I can help with, so that I can focus on hair multiplication. Its an ethical decision for me and of course I am going to choose to help people with more serious conditions if I am faced with the decision, which I am many times".

Since he has such an interest in skin conditions, did he mention anything about copper-peptides?

Didn't discuss it.

What exactly is a "fraction of the cost" related to his price for this procedure?

Not positive. He kept speaking in "Euros", and I remember him implying or saying something about 1/3 of the cost. Something like "Doctors charge upwards of $15,000 for a transplant here, and my procedure only costs $5,000" ... something like that. But again you're only getting 500 grafts, versus 1,000 or more.

Did he have proper table manners?

We were in a very stuffy high class restaurant. He was dressed impeccably. He was courteous, polite, and a hell of a lot more at home with a weird old man holding wine with a towel draped on his wrist and sporting a French accent, than I was. If he wasn't there I fear Laura and I would have seemed like we belonged more in a McDonalds than at that restaurant Yes. He's clearly in charge of a lot of people, a lot of assets, and a lot of resources. Seemed that way at least. Intelligent as well. See what you can find online about "Gho Pharma". He says this is his main company. Gho Clinic (the branch doing hair multiplication) is just a subset of a much larger company, he says... Gho Pharma. Might be listed under G.H.O. Pharma.

so if you can go back and do it over an over again of 500 grafts from GHO , given you have enough money, isn't the battle against hairloss won!

Well theoretically, yes. If you want to have a lot of surgical procedures done. And keep in mind, existing hairs up front are still going to degrade due to DHT, so treatments would be necessary to postpone unnecessary repeat procedures as long as possible. I would still strongly encourage waiting until he has published the procedure, which he said would be in the next few months.

Did you see any pictures of the procedure being done?

Yes, several. Probably about 30. Before, during, after. I saw how the holes in the back looked, how they were placed up front, how the holes in back looked after just 24 hours (pretty much closed up and healing already), how the holes looked after several days (totally healed) and how they looked a couple months later (growing hairs in the same area they were extracted). Same with up front. He had before and after photos of people's hairlines, etc. Again its a very minor procedure in my opinion, with just 500 grafts. Laura and I both agreed that the visual difference was not that dramatic. Some unnatural hairlines looked a little more natural because he added sporadic uneven-ness to it, some plugs looked less pluggy and more dispersed because he dispersed some new hairs in between them, etc. Nothing major or dramatic. Again the 500 maximum.

If he is doing this, then there has to be some strong evidence.

All the photos showed literally every stage of the process both for the donor area and the recipient area, so he's documented it all very well. He even did electron microscope photography of the donor grafts, pigmented them and showed where the "follicle forming cells" were halfway up the follicle and at the base, etc. He's got his documentaiton fully down, and so the next step is seeing how the publishing process goes. Peer review. Etc.

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[GourmetStyleWellness]

By the way, if any of you post on other sites, and want to link them to this thread, here is the URL to put:

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/discussions ... hp?p=65613

Im interested in everyone being aware of the latest.

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[elguapo]

gourmetstylewellness.com,

I have some questions:

1) Gho says he has tried what other doctors/companies are now trying in terms of research. Is there no colaboration among these doctors or companies? Are there international conferences on male pattern baldness? If so, didn't Gho ever present his research in any of them?

2) Has anybody, just for the hell of it, tried to extract a hair from a balding scalp onto the side of the head, to see if that hair, susceptable to dht, would survive on the side of the head?

Thanks.

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

1) Gho says he has tried what other doctors/companies are now trying in terms of research. Is there no colaboration among these doctors or companies? Are there international conferences on male pattern baldness? If so, didn't Gho ever present his research in any of them?

He says he has tried and tried to get ahold of others like Bazan to inform them that they're barking up the wrong tree, but hasn't gotten any reply. He told me he presented his findings and research at the yearly Hair Transplant Surgeon conference (ISHRS meeting). When they heard that it was going to cost 1/3 the price, take an entire day per patient (instead of doing 5 patients a day), and just plain wasn't going to result in the same income for them ... he claims ... they banned him. He's not allowed to attend any further. I didn't know what to make of that. I wasn't aware he had been banned from the ISHRS.

2) Has anybody, just for the hell of it, tried to extract a hair from a balding scalp onto the side of the head, to see if that hair, susceptable to dht, would survive on the side of the head?

Interesting question. Didn't ask him. Good idea though.

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[Cassin]

Interesting gourmetstylewellness.com.

I am still gonna give my treatments a full shot first, but by the time I am done with college and on my feet it will be time to see if this is for me.

What Norwood requirements are needed for this anyway?

Damn this sounds good. I imagine he is going to allow you to post pics right?

 

[hope is near]

Well theoretically, yes. If you want to have a lot of surgical procedures done. And keep in mind, existing hairs up front are still going to degrade due to DHT, so treatments would be necessary to postpone unnecessary repeat procedures as long as possible. I would still strongly encourage waiting until he has published the procedure, which he said would be in the next few months.
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I thought hairs in the back of the head are NOT suceptible to DHT which is supposed to be why hair transplants work. What am I missing?

 

[Odelay]

See now this is what puts up a lot of red flags in my book. Much like Cassin said this guy is so interested in doing good for other people, but he doesn't want to focus most of his time on getting his HM to work. Besides the point that millions of bald people would be thanking him, the money, attention, and resources he would gain to spend on burn victoms and the rest would be increased tenfold. If what he is claiming is true I find it very odd that he would keep his HM as only a side project, because if it were perfected then it would be a very large first step in helping burn victoms. I find it strange that he would try and tackle the more difficult problem of creating new hair for burn victoms and skip over the logical first step of working with a healthy scalp.

According to his theory of leaving the bottom of the follicle intact and only taking the upper part of the follicle he is saying it is possible for hair to grow, and I am guessing continue to grow through many cycles, without a entire follicle. And since the bottom part of the follicle is not going to regrow how in the hell is the hair going to grow and continue to do so? It seems pretty logical to think that the bottom part of the follicle is there for a good reason and it is needed to produce a hair, but then again it may not. It just seems like the full follicle would be needed, both top and bottom, for the follicle to work properly.

The other thing is that let's say only the top part of the follicle is needed to grow hair because the bottom part of the follicle is still alive in your skin, and only the top part is the area that DHT is causing to shrink (This is all going under the assumption that you need the full follicle to grow a hair). I was always under the impression that eventually the entire follicle dies, and I have read this quite a few times from different sources, and once again seems logical.

It's just very, very hard to take this guy as being legit. Between all of his outlandish claims and all the 'bs flags' that keep popping up in my head it's very hard to take anything this guy says as the truth, especially with no real proof to back up any of his claims. I guess until the day he actually makes some of his miraculous claims available to the scientific community, that my opinion of him will stay the same.

 

[Jude]

2 questions:

1. gourmetstylewellness.com, What's your gut feeling on when this miracle cure will available to us all?

2. What was Dr Gho's own hair like?

Thanx bro.

 

[jblig]

Oh, but the last thing I was going to do is show my face in public (without a body guard!) at one of those seminars. So he suggested meeting him for dinner instead. I asked if I could bring Laura from HerAlopecia.com since she lives right there, and we made the plans.
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gourmetstylewellness.com , you need a bodygaurd, I mean people have really threatened or taken action against you in public????

 

[Healthy Nick]

I would love to believe this, but if it were true, then most problems would be solved, and he wouldn't be working on HM.

There is definitly something strange going on here. However, the idea is very cool and I hope it is working.


"When they heard that it was going to cost 1/3 the price, take an entire day per patient (instead of doing 5 patients a day), and just plain wasn't going to result in the same income for them ... he claims ... they banned him."


As far as that goes, wouldn't this new procedure be a huge money maker because of the guaranteed comebacks procedures? I don't understand. They would definitly make more money doing these procedures. Something else got him banned.........

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

I thought hairs in the back of the head are NOT suceptible to DHT which is supposed to be why hair transplants work. What am I missing?

I just meant that existing hairs up front will continue to be susceptible to DHT, and therefore continuing treatments (specifically, Propecia) will be advised even in the age of follicular multiplication. It will be a long process of slowly replacing dying hairs up front, with un-susceptible ones from the back.

this guy is so interested in doing good for other people, but he doesn't want to focus most of his time on getting his HM to work.

He was just saying if he's faced with a decision to help child burn victims, which is one of his major responsibilities, he will opt for that over hair multiplication. Despite the fact that I have a passion to help people suffering from hair loss, I would probably make the same decision. He's only saying he frequently has to decide which to focus on, and he goes with what his conscience tells him to. I can't fault him for that. Helping burn victims is more urgent than HM, unfortunately.

Besides the point that millions of bald people would be thanking him, the money, attention, and resources he would gain to spend on burn victoms and the rest would be increased tenfold.

If, and only if .... he figures out the solution to the lack of consistency issue with HM. In the meantime, burn victims need him.

According to his theory of leaving the bottom of the follicle intact and only taking the upper part of the follicle he is saying it is possible for hair to grow, and I am guessing continue to grow through many cycles, without a entire follicle.

Remember, he found two major locations for follicle developing cells. The extracted portion of the follicle contains one of those locations. This means, once implanted, it will not grow a hair until it has developed a new follicle. So technically its not continuing to grow without an entire follicle. Both sections need to regenerate the remainder of the follicle before the hair will grow. This is the amazing part of the technology, assuming its legitimate, and this is why new hair growth takes longer than a traditional transplant. The regeneration period.

And since the bottom part of the follicle is not going to regrow...

The implanted partial follicle *will* generate an entirely new follicle because the follicle generating cells are present. Remember, they're halfway up the follicle, *and* at the base. The base remains for the original follicle and once its clipped, those cells in the base regenerate the entire follicle, producing hair from the same follicle. The clipped part contains the other batch of cells and grows downwards to create an entirely new follicle complete with bulb. That's the unique part of this procedure. Its kinda sorta hair multiplication, on an individual follicle basis, which he found has a much higher % rate of consistency. That's why he's able to come forward with this version of "multiplication" now.

I guess until the day he actually makes some of his miraculous claims available to the scientific community, that my opinion of him will stay the same.

Both you and I are waiting for the published work before we make any judgments on the legitimacy of it all

gourmetstylewellness.com, What's your gut feeling on when this miracle cure will available to us all?

The "mini version" of Hair Multiplication is available now in mini transplant sessions. The true full blown hair multiplication availability will be once he figures out how to make it work 95% of the time in 95% of people. That obstacle seems to be blocking progress.

What was Dr Gho's own hair like?

Here he is:
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/misc/gho.jpg

gourmetstylewellness.com , you need a bodygaurd, I mean people have really threatened or taken action against you in public????

Yes, hairsite users. This was 2 years ago though. That's when i stopped going by my name, and now only go by gourmetstylewellness.com. Trying to maintain my privacy and safety. Lotsa nutso's out there.

They would definitly make more money doing these procedures. Something else got him banned.........

Not at all. They're charging $10,000-$15,000 per person, and doing between 4 and 6 people per day, 5 days a week. This procedure is 1 person per day only, and 500 grafts maximum with a cost of $5,000 or something. Significant reduction in yearly income.

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[fred]

"People constantly emailng me calling me from the hair loss sites saying WHY DONT YOU FOCUS ON HAIR THINGS, FORGET THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE BURN VICTIMS, WE'RE SITTING HERE SUFFERING WITH HAIR LOSS!" ... he said it almost frustratedly...

It's understandable but I notice that Hairloss is not yet taken seriously, especially by those who don't suffer from it, they don't figure out how damaging it can be psychologically, To me it is a disease, the Hair cancer. Dr Gho doesn't seem to suffer from it as far as I can see on the pic, if he did he would make it a priority over a cure for AIDS :lol:

 

[salazam]

at the same time, most, at least i dont know the trauma and pain of being a burned victim.