No hope for diffuse thinners ... !?

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wallace911

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Hey guys I am 10 months into treatment (finasteride, nizoral, tricomin) and after massive success at about 6 months (I was just about to post a success story) I am now clearly thinning again - just another story like that, yes.

I have been searching this board for stories of other diffuse thinners for the last two days ... and shockingly it is ALWAYS the same one isn't it? Great success early in, then at about 8-10 months they come back because they are loosing it again and before 2 years have passed they have disappeared from the board ...

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I kept searching for knowledge on diffuse thinning and just found this on an old paper of Dr. Rassman (1997, that was before Propecia)

We feel that the decision if and when to begin surgical treatment of the patient with Diffuse Patterned Alopecia is problematic for a number of reasons: 1) we find the patients with DPA tend to be very young, 2) the hair loss tends to progress rapidly, 3) the position of the existing frontal hairline is often unrealistically low, 4) there is a high risk of accelerated hair loss from the surgery, and 5) the patient may become extensively bald.

You can read it yourself hear (very bottom): http://www.newhair.com/resources/mp-1997-evaluation.asp
 
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hey man im in the same boat. i was on propecia for a while, and then i added minoxidil and nizoral last feb. there was success at month 4-5, but ever since then i started losing ground.

i dont know. i think with us diffuse thinners there's simply too much dht in our systems. which is why i think i'll switch to dutasteride. i read that while finasteride reduces your dht levels by about 50-60%, dutasteride does it up to 90. i know ppl are worried about side effects, but honestly, i think these boards have a knack for inspiring a lot of fear and paranoia. i've looked up avodart on Webmd and other places and they all say the drug is very tolerable.

but theres another thing to consider here; i just think a lot of people who find success never come back. meaning most of the stories youll read here are from ppl who are still fighting the fight (ie. ike you and me) so it just seems like all diffuse thinners won't have success.
 
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Man honestly point me to ONE diffuse thinner on any board who has maintained for over five years. finasteride alone should do that. At least that is what the study says. If you ask me, we are the f*cked 1% in that study. And this whole "diffuse thinners respond so well" thing is total misconception. Obviously we respond well in the first place ... there is more hair there that is thin and responding and thickening. But there is more hair there as well that will eventually be falling out again ... I read on various hair transplant sites that all diffuse thinners should know they will eventually end up with a NW7.

You know I thought about dutasteride as well ... but what if in 10 years some Doctor tells you you can't have kids any more?
 
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wallace911 said:
You know I thought about dutasteride as well ... but what if in 10 years some Doctor tells you you can't have kids any more?
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the drug sounds perfectly tolerable when i read about it from sites that are neutral on the topic of hairloss (also, the sites are reasonably reputable). logically, if dutasteride was such a danger then it wouldn't even be out on the market. i'd imagine that the company producing the pill would have lawsuits up the wazoo.

plus i think its all about how you frame things. IMO, in terms of your welfare, you're at a greater risk while driving your car than taking dutasteride regularly, and yet not many people have a phobia of jumping in the car and going down the freeway. a person might throw his hands in the air and say "don't ever drive! do you understand how many fatalities there are a year??" and yeah, he would be right on a certain level. but hey, that's not gonna persuade you into selling your car. i know this isnt a great example, but you know what i mean.
 
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wallace911 said:
By the way when did you pop your first pill? I mean what date was that?
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do you mean finasteride? cause i havent taken dutasteride yet.

i've been on propecia for like 2.5 years now. but it was kind of irregular. there was a period when i did half a pill each day; i dont know why i did that, i guess i heard its just as effective and one a day
 
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I know what you mean. But talking about those other neutral websites, dutasteride is on the market to save lives. Not to save hair. It was approved for 50+ year old men with cancer. There is tons of approved sh*t out there you don't want to take unless you're half dead - that's only why I'd be cautious.
 
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wallace911 said:
I know what you mean. But talking about those other neutral websites, dutasteride is on the market to save lives. Not to save hair. It was approved for 50+ year old men with cancer. There is tons of approved sh*t out there you don't want to take unless you're half dead - that's only why I'd be cautious.
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no offense, but you are mistaken on this account. its not for prostate cancer. not at all. it MIGHT prevent the cases of prostate cancel, but what its used for is a condition in which the prostate is enlarged. the main complaint about an enlarged prostate is the frequency of urination, and sometimes the difficulty in urinating. so, basically, people take dutasteride to stop needing to pee as much.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-64364-D ... l&source=1

i should also add that, from what ive read, dutasteride isnt really that effective in battling an enlarged prostate. the best it can do is relieve the symptoms a bit. so that kinda flies against the argument that dutasteride is a highly potent drug that makes radical changes to your body
 
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You are right man. No idea why I thought it was for cancer patients. Although it says for "high-risk men" ... anyways that does make a difference obviously.
 
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Man he is only twelve months in ... I would really like to see pictures of a diffuse thinner who is 5 years in. And apart from that why would someone with amazing results like him start minoxidil at 9 months. You don't do that unless something is going wrong.
 
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wallace911 said:
Man he is only twelve months in ... I would really like to see pictures of a diffuse thinner who is 5 years in. And apart from that why would someone with amazing results like him start minoxidil at 9 months. You don't do that unless something is going wrong.
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Sometimes when people see a product working they become greedy and want it to work even better and faster so they start to supplement it.
 
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wallace911 said:
Jonsie did you ever consider upping your finasteride dose to 2mg?
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i considered it, but the reason i think dutasteride will be better is because it blocks two different enzymes that lead to DHT (as i understand it). finasteride only stops one of the enzymes. so i think no matter how much i up my finasteride, it'll still only stop that one enzyme. this leads me to think that 10 mg of finasteride (which, obviously, you shouldnt do) wouldn't be more effective than the regular .5 mg of dutasteride
 
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I am in this boat as well. finasteride, minoxidil and nizoral worked wonders for my diffusing hair but around the 10-12 month mark I started to shed again.
 
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I kept searching for knowledge on diffuse thinning and just found this on an old paper of Dr. Rassman (1997, that was before Propecia)

We feel that the decision if and when to begin surgical treatment of the patient with Diffuse Patterned Alopecia is problematic for a number of reasons: 1) we find the patients with DPA tend to be very young, 2) the hair loss tends to progress rapidly, 3) the position of the existing frontal hairline is often unrealistically low, 4) there is a high risk of accelerated hair loss from the surgery, and 5) the patient may become extensively bald.

You can read it yourself hear (very bottom): http://www.newhair.com/resources/mp-1997-evaluation.asp
 
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