No Morning Wood On Propecia Is It Bad ?

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Maybe because the sides are also related to the lack of 5-AR ? finasteride binds itself to the 5-AR, so they won't produce DHT. But, maybe the lack of 5-AR is what causes sides??
A valid point if Duta didnt have less sides for so many users despite binding a lot more 5AR. Its just speculations, but if the more powerful drug has less sides it has to mean something...
 

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Your DHT being cut in half w/finasteride doesn't hurt 99% of people, so I think people to get over it. People on Duta are the only ones with a regularly valid concern since your dht will be cut into a 1/10th or less which is much more significant case.

If I wouldn't have listened to all these pussies yapping about losing 24/7 wood on finny I would have stuck with the finasteride .5mg - 1mg regimen in my mid-20's, probably have better hair now, and still found my wife the old fashioned way. Instead I jumped off it in my 20's for a few years because of the internet and it's never ending edge case focus..

I'm 30 and been on it over a year. Though I don't have a kick stand when I wake up... (Which is part of getting older, people get over it) I'm perfectly capable when I want to be (with my wife) which in the end is what you need. I just hope being on it for good from now on salvages what I have.

Kids in their 20's are fickle and freak out over everything disproportionately. That's the real source IMO for 99%.
 

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A valid point if Duta didnt have less sides for so many users despite binding a lot more 5AR. Its just speculations, but if the more powerful drug has less sides it has to mean something...

Yes, probably that finasteride is more powerful in some parameter not measured.

Maybe it penetrates the liver or brain more effectively.

Maybe some process we don't know about cares about the ratio of type 1 to type 2 5ar.
 

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I'm 30 and been on it over a year. Though I don't have a kick stand when I wake up... (Which is part of getting older, people get over it)

You cant be serious, 30, part of getting older? Man im quite older than you and havent experience loss of wood yet. Up to you if you accept a lowered sexual ability but dont blame your age, even at age 40-45 its ridiculous to blame age if the performance is down, its very common that men at 40 can do it many times in a row while a 20 year old is satisfied with one and fall asleep. I hate to brag but its not long ago i did 10 times in a day, only day, not night. Disclaimer: With 18 year old brand new girlfriend, the right inspiration is often half the job. But still, hearing you blame age at 30 is super unreal, without being rude i want to say that you are making up excuses to comfort yourself, you probably know that as well as i do but not admitting it. I apologies in advance for saying that.
 

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Yes, probably that finasteride is more powerful in some parameter not measured.

Maybe it penetrates the liver or brain more effectively.

Maybe some process we don't know about cares about the ratio of type 1 to type 2 5ar.
The first one, its well known from other types of medications. Like my easily fooled sis who listen to doctors and dont want to take a stand on her medication needs, she been on Zoloft for years, compared to valium it has no trace of effect on anxiety but it has a shitload of serious unwanted sides, including dependency, she tried to quit many times but end up walking in a slowmotion fog, the dizziness is extreme but goes away immediately when she start taking again. I know people addicted to opioids but i dont see they have so much worse withdrawals except for the excess vomiting.

Why are you off fapping David?
 

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You cant be serious, 30, part of getting older? Man im quite older than you and havent experience loss of wood yet. Up to you if you accept a lowered sexual ability but dont blame your age, even at age 40-45 its ridiculous to blame age if the performance is down, its very common that men at 40 can do it many times in a row while a 20 year old is satisfied with one and fall asleep. I hate to brag but its not long ago i did 10 times in a day, only day, not night. Disclaimer: With 18 year old brand new girlfriend, the right inspiration is often half the job. But still, hearing you blame age at 30 is super unreal, without being rude i want to say that you are making up excuses to comfort yourself, you probably know that as well as i do but not admitting it. I apologies in advance for saying that.

You cant be serious, 30, part of getting older? Man im quite older than you and havent experience loss of wood yet. Up to you if you accept a lowered sexual ability but dont blame your age, even at age 40-45 its ridiculous to blame age if the performance is down, its very common that men at 40 can do it many times in a row while a 20 year old is satisfied with one and fall asleep. I hate to brag but its not long ago i did 10 times in a day, only day, not night. Disclaimer: With 18 year old brand new girlfriend, the right inspiration is often half the job. But still, hearing you blame age at 30 is super unreal, without being rude i want to say that you are making up excuses to comfort yourself, you probably know that as well as i do but not admitting it. I apologies in advance for saying that.

I blame my last post for letting this get tangential but both total, free test, and HGH starts to drop after 30. To your later post when I was in my teens I did try zoloft for a bit and that DID effect downstairs so no argument there. Glad I am off everything except finasteride in that regard.

What are you taking right now? Are you single or married? I think that maybe part of why this conversation is a bit moot amongst others.

I'm not a dead horse by any means at 30. If I were single I would probably be a hunter who cares about 2-10 times in a sitting. Being happily married I can say that I think mentally I am simply more geared now to care more about quality vs. quantity. To close this one up I think people simply have different mindsets which set off the wrong triggers in this department. finasteride gets caught in the middle more unjustly than it should is all I'm saying. Not playing politically correct policeman and not masking my issues. We are orthogonally programmed to believe we should be rabbits no matter what. Not wanting to beat your 18 max in one day record is different than not being able to do it a few times a week is all I'm saying.
 

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The first one, its well known from other types of medications. Like my easily fooled sis who listen to doctors and dont want to take a stand on her medication needs, she been on Zoloft for years, compared to valium it has no trace of effect on anxiety but it has a shitload of serious unwanted sides, including dependency, she tried to quit many times but end up walking in a slowmotion fog, the dizziness is extreme but goes away immediately when she start taking again. I know people addicted to opioids but i dont see they have so much worse withdrawals except for the excess vomiting.

Why are you off fapping David?

I have erectile dysfunction, which is not due to finasteride.

Some people have success healing that with nofap. I'm trying it out but thus far results are mixed. It seems if I go about 30 days without fapping an explosive and functional and genuine distracting sex drive suddenly turns on, but then it goes away after one orgasm.
 

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I have erectile dysfunction, which is not due to finasteride.

Some people have success healing that with nofap. I'm trying it out but thus far results are mixed. It seems if I go about 30 days without fapping an explosive and functional and genuine distracting sex drive suddenly turns on, but then it goes away after one orgasm.
Oh, thats vey unfortunate. Well, i would think no fapping would diminish your pelvis musculature and cause problem in maintaining erections, so i been playing with the idea of repeated erections, like getting wood, let it die out and then get it back, and repeat, kinda like HIIT training. Mostly theoretical, but i tried and maybe i should extend it to sort of a regimen. I was thinking maybe it can prevent ED for when im older, like 15 years down the road, but i admit i dont know much about this topic and its causes. If i have to take v**** when im 60 i am ok with that too, the problem that time will rather be finding attractive girls who still want to sleep with me ahah

Edit: Additional, i did play with nofap when i was still very young, all that happened was that i ejaculated in my sleep after 3 weeks, or 4, not sure.
 

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Oh, thats vey unfortunate. Well, i would think no fapping would diminish your pelvis musculature and cause problem in maintaining erections, so i been playing with the idea of repeated erections, like getting wood, let it die out and then get it back, and repeat, kinda like HIIT training. Mostly theoretical, but i tried and maybe i should extend it to sort of a regimen. I was thinking maybe it can prevent ED for when im older, like 15 years down the road, but i admit i dont know much about this topic and its causes. If i have to take v**** when im 60 i am ok with that too, the problem that time will rather be finding attractive girls who still want to sleep with me ahah

Edit: Additional, i did play with nofap when i was still very young, all that happened was that i ejaculated in my sleep after 3 weeks, or 4, not sure.

I made it to 38 and later 34 days without falling and I had no wet dreams. I did get erections so hard on my sleep that they woke me up, which might be related.

I've read more articles than anybody should ever read on this. If you want to prevent ED, the best *demonstrated* things you can do is maintain low stomach fat, low blood pressure, and don't smoke. If you're 5'10 and you're wearing size 36 pants, you're at risk.

I'm currently trying a long fast which will be followed by an very clean diet in an attempt to reboot my endocrine system.
 

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I made it to 38 and later 34 days without falling and I had no wet dreams. I did get erections so hard on my sleep that they woke me up, which might be related.

I've read more articles than anybody should ever read on this. If you want to prevent ED, the best *demonstrated* things you can do is maintain low stomach fat, low blood pressure, and don't smoke. If you're 5'10 and you're wearing size 36 pants, you're at risk.

I'm currently trying a long fast which will be followed by an very clean diet in an attempt to reboot my endocrine system.

No newbie here to ED tactics and no skin in your convo.. but what is nofap.. is that literally just not wanking yourself for an extended period of time?
 

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And genetics, if one develop ED coz of genetic obesity its still genetic. Environment and lifestyle factors too often boil down to "none or insignificant effect" and some doctors admit it but used phrases like "recommending a better lifestyle makes no harm" behind the patients back. You may have heard about the research done in Iceland and Norway on Diabetes 2, one of the doctors involved went as far as saying "we owe these patients an apology", the old myth about people with diabetes 2 being lazy pigs who spent the day on the sofa eating chips and chocolate was just evil whispers that somehow became a fact and people started to say "everyone knows they caused it themselves", and when people start a sentence with "everybody knows.." its always a lie. The danger in making people think they caused their own illnesses is that it somehow give other people (people who are also in a bad place in their life) the right to look down on them, its the everlasting "yes im overweight but at least i dont have diabetes 2 like those lazy bastards have". I mean, we dont go to a childrens cancer clinic and tell them "lazy *** wh*** kids, go out and exercise and stop being sick", thats how evil it is to blame diseases only on lifestyle.

If only it was so simple, exercise and eat healthy and all illness will be gone, of course we would all be healthy as fukk.
 

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but waht about the claim taht fina is dose dependant? if the sides increase with dosage the haircount might increase as well?
 

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I'm currently trying a long fast which will be followed by an very clean diet in an attempt to reboot my endocrine system.
I reserve the right to have my doubts it will help but i wanted to ask, did you try testosterone undecanoate capsules, like Andriol? Its not really related to ed but i plan to experiment with Andriol or the likes of it some time, just that its probably bad timing for my duta experiment, though i have heard about research showing duta to counter well for use of anabolic steroids of up to 600mg a week in prostate patients. But testosterone undecanoate capsules are really bad for the hair, have you researched it?

Sapin, its been discussed too much already, i disagree with the microdosing community but as of now there seem to be a majority in favour of "you only need 0.05mg fina". All we can do is disagree, im still asking where are the great proven results on Fina microdosing... On Duta its different, the duta crowd seem to agree that higher dose is better.
 

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And genetics, if one develop ED coz of genetic obesity its still genetic. Environment and lifestyle factors too often boil down to "none or insignificant effect" and some doctors admit it but used phrases like "recommending a better lifestyle makes no harm" behind the patients back. You may have heard about the research done in Iceland and Norway on Diabetes 2, one of the doctors involved went as far as saying "we owe these patients an apology", the old myth about people with diabetes 2 being lazy pigs who spent the day on the sofa eating chips and chocolate was just evil whispers that somehow became a fact and people started to say "everyone knows they caused it themselves", and when people start a sentence with "everybody knows.." its always a lie. The danger in making people think they caused their own illnesses is that it somehow give other people (people who are also in a bad place in their life) the right to look down on them, its the everlasting "yes im overweight but at least i dont have diabetes 2 like those lazy bastards have". I mean, we dont go to a childrens cancer clinic and tell them "lazy *** wh*** kids, go out and exercise and stop being sick", thats how evil it is to blame diseases only on lifestyle.

If only it was so simple, exercise and eat healthy and all illness will be gone, of course we would all be healthy as fukk.

I reserve the right to have my doubts it will help but i wanted to ask, did you try testosterone undecanoate capsules, like Andriol? Its not really related to ed but i plan to experiment with Andriol or the likes of it some time, just that its probably bad timing for my duta experiment, though i have heard about research showing duta to counter well for use of anabolic steroids of up to 600mg a week in prostate patients. But testosterone undecanoate capsules are really bad for the hair, have you researched it?

Sapin, its been discussed too much already, i disagree with the microdosing community but as of now there seem to be a majority in favour of "you only need 0.05mg fina". All we can do is disagree, im still asking where are the great proven results on Fina microdosing... On Duta its different, the duta crowd seem to agree that higher dose is better.

1) Type II diabetes is the perfect example of lifestyle / biology both contributing to a predicament. Yes genetics matter, and yes lifestyle matter.

2) dutasteride is measured to have a dose-dependent response curve, unlike finasteride.

3) Steroids are not my first choice but I'm leaning in the direction of trying them in the coming months.
 

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3) Steroids are not my first choice but I'm leaning in the direction of trying them in the coming months.

3) 1 to 2 caps of Andriol a day is a very low supplemental level, it cant be compared to anabolic steroid abuse, its just that people grew up hearing about it and think medical doses are comparable to the bodybuilder doses. I see how it sounds bad at once when you called it steroids, people has an instinctive fear of the word =) But lets see if we can work out the side effects for hair then, i am willing to try it even if i am on Duta. Next week i talk to the boss about the possibility to not work for a few months, he had some heart issues but he will soon know if he can manage alone this winter, then i can just as well stay in South East Asia a few months, long enough to do some "steroid abuse" lol.
 

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3) 1 to 2 caps of Andriol a day is a very low supplemental level, it cant be compared to anabolic steroid abuse, its just that people grew up hearing about it and think medical doses are comparable to the bodybuilder doses. I see how it sounds bad at once when you called it steroids, people has an instinctive fear of the word =) But lets see if we can work out the side effects for hair then, i am willing to try it even if i am on Duta. Next week i talk to the boss about the possibility to not work for a few months, he had some heart issues but he will soon know if he can manage alone this winter, then i can just as well stay in South East Asia a few months, long enough to do some "steroid abuse" lol.

What are your goals?
 

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What are your goals?
I hear many good things about testosterone replacement treatments and some hint that it works even better if you dont really need it. My belly fat has receded a bit already and was never horrible anyway but a little help from some steroids could really speed things up again. I also have some fat in the lower pecs, hard to burn away, i like to lose fat without loosing weight. My calorie intake is very high (i will lose weight fast if i lower it) and as i gotten older more of it turns into fat, its a trend i want to stop and exercise alone cant do that.
 
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