On hair transplants and it's supossed "inmortal donor area" (lets talk FACTS)

[Zombie]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9284093

In this study, 12 women and 12 men, ages 18-33 y, with androgenetic alopecia were selected for biopsies from frontal and occipital scalp sites..

..findings revealed that both women and men have higher levels of receptors and 5alpha-reductase type I and II in frontal hair follices than in occipital follicles, whereas higher levels of aromatase were found in their occipital follicles..

If you fail to see what does this mean and your brain only allows you to simply extract the conclusion of "ohh, it's just the individual follicles on the top of the head that **** us up, the tissue they are surrounded with is completely irrelevant", then you simply are missing the point.

I'VE NEVER SAID hair transplant'S ARE A HOAX. They can be a very legit solution, but they are not "THE SOLUTION" that usually you see them marketed as by money hungry surgeons. Sorry to burst your bubbles there: If you are not on finasteride by the time you get your hair transplant and you've guaranteed you have no sides and no further hairloss, a hair transplant can turn into a nightmare later on. Again, I challenge these people that are so sure about their transplanted hair being immortal, to stop any treatments and report back in 5 to 10 years. Then, then we'll see. None of this anecdotal evidence bull****. Test it for yourself, then you'll see hair transplants are not the be all end all solution for hairloss bull**** that you are being sold with, and you'll see the tissue that surrounds the follicles is completely key to maintain healthy hair follicles.

Some people like me have NO HOPE:

-Finasteride poison kills our dicks
-You NEED finasteride (even if your wrong assumption about the donation area transplanted into the top of your head was magically immortal meaning the scalp tissue is completely irrelevant was true, that would mean **** nothing since you still need finasteride to keep whatever hair you have left prior hair transplant, if you dont want to live a nightmare of constant surgeries to fill the constantly falling hair)
-Wigs are a JOKE
-Hair tattoos don't look good in 99% of white people

That's it. Im ****ed. And I hope you are never in my position. If you keep deleting this post WITHOUT NO REASON, a well manered, well spoken, informative post, i'll keep it posting 24/7. I have no life (hair) so it's not like i have anything better to do than fight against censorship. If you are censoring this without any explaination, i'll just assume you don't want to tell the truth about hair transplant's and you want to further push people with no hope like me, into social ostracization.

 

[zdm632]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9284093



If you fail to see what does this mean and your brain only allows you to simply extract the conclusion of "ohh, it's just the individual follicles on the top of the head that **** us up, the tissue they are surrounded with is completely irrelevant", then you simply are missing the point.

I'VE NEVER SAID hair transplant'S ARE A HOAX. They can be a very legit solution, but they are not "THE SOLUTION" that usually you see them marketed as by money hungry surgeons. Sorry to burst your bubbles there: If you are not on finasteride by the time you get your hair transplant and you've guaranteed you have no sides and no further hairloss, a hair transplant can turn into a nightmare later on. Again, I challenge these people that are so sure about their transplanted hair being immortal, to stop any treatments and report back in 5 to 10 years. Then, then we'll see. None of this anecdotal evidence bull****. Test it for yourself, then you'll see hair transplants are not the be all end all solution for hairloss bull**** that you are being sold with, and you'll see the tissue that surrounds the follicles is completely key to maintain healthy hair follicles.

Some people like me have NO HOPE:

-Finasteride poison kills our dicks
-You NEED finasteride (even if your wrong assumption about the donation area transplanted into the top of your head was magically immortal meaning the scalp tissue is completely irrelevant was true, that would mean **** nothing since you still need finasteride to keep whatever hair you have left prior hair transplant, if you dont want to live a nightmare of constant surgeries to fill the constantly falling hair)
-Wigs are a JOKE
-Hair tattoos don't look good in 99% of white people

That's it. Im ****ed. And I hope you are never in my position. If you keep deleting this post WITHOUT NO REASON, a well manered, well spoken, informative post, i'll keep it posting 24/7. I have no life (hair) so it's not like i have anything better to do than fight against censorship. If you are censoring this without any explaination, i'll just assume you don't want to tell the truth about hair transplant's and you want to further push people with no hope like me, into social ostracization.

Dude you are talking nonsense. It says clearly in your quoted message about FOLLICLES, not "tissue around follicles". Can't you read? From where did you come with this bs?
"Come after 5 years"???
Man, transplants are way old than 5 years. There are tons of people who had hair transplant's 20 years ago and the implanted follciles are still there.
You are ridiculous, and. excuse me, but with that scalp=terrain thinking, you made fun of yourself. That is kindergarten level of thinking.

So, what's your purpose here? If you don't like transplants, you come here and spread false information so other people don't do them and remain "hopeless" like you?

And, let me say one more thing: when hairs are transplanted, the hair is not "plucked" from donor and inserted into receptor area, the hair is taken out with SOME tissue around it.(like a "cylinder" of 0,8 mm diameter=the hair graft). So, even when put to the front, the hair still has some tissue from the back around it! So these definitely bashes your theory about surrounding scalp skin causing problems.
Got it?
So you are 100% wrong, my friend.
Tranplanted hairs from the safedonor area never fall. It's a fact.
Please stop with this false and ridiculous claims, because otherwise you are either bad-intended or simply your mind can't reason.

And, NO, finasteride doesn't kill your dick, another false statement.
Wigs? They can be good, if you are ok with the maintenance and costs.
SMP? Yes, here is your only correct claim, SMP is a bull**** that should be not done.
But hair transplants are very good in improving someone's appearance. OF course, if you have that all-or-nothing crazy attitude, hair transplant can't bring 100% of your hair back, so forget about them.
And every transplanted hair follicle is as immortal as it was in its original location.

And look at those people with bad transplants all around the internet, some done decades ago, with that horrible 4mm plugs. Yes, the transpkants are horrible, but the hairs are still there! That people would be enchanted for their botched hair transplant to fall after 5-10 years, but guess what, the don't fall.
Please stop with the nonsense.

 

[Zombie]

So, is it because of my seemingly successful hair transplant you decided to post this BS? What are your plans? Killing all hope here with your false information?

Hair from the safe zone is permanent, just look at old NW6 for god's sake, the hair is still there at the back, and it could be transplanted to you butt-cheeks and still grow until death.

Saying hair transplants are a scam... you're just being irresponsible here. And I must you have a suspicious Sluthate guy aura.

See, this is the **** you do all day, taking things out of context no matter what the **** I say:

I'VE NEVER SAID hair transplant'S ARE A HOAX. They can be a very legit solution

Do you even read? What i've stated is, you NEED FINASTERIDE for it to work, otherwise, you are at high risk to lose your transplanted hair eventually, because unless you are a monumental aspie without notions on biology, you'll know that the living tissue the follicle is surrounded by, it's THE CONTEXT of said follicle's health level. If you, like the deluded aspie zdm632 up there (he is denying finasteride CAN kill your dick, this says enough about his deusion and wishful thinking), thinks that you can simply REMOVE THE CONTEXT (scalp, living tissue quality) out of the follicle (and no, that tiny amount of tissue around the follicle means jack nothing), then you are missing the point. Read that study, notice the difference in the scalp when it comes to AR depending on the zone, notice that EVEN WOMEN WITH male pattern baldness SHARE THESE PROBLEMS. You are missing the point, and if you think you are safe for life with a hair transplant WHILE NOT ON FINASTERIDE, you are up for a hard awakening.

What i've stated is, the ones that cannot tolerate that garbage (finasteride) can't get a hair transplant, because is objectively a stupid idea. So we are basically ****ed.

 

[zdm632]

See, this is the **** you do all day, taking things out of context no matter what the **** I say:



Do you even read? What i've stated is, you NEED FINASTERIDE for it to work, otherwise, you are at high risk to lose your transplanted hair eventually, because unless you are a monumental aspie without notions on biology, you'll know that the living tissue the follicle is surrounded by, it's THE CONTEXT of said follicle's health level. If you, like the deluded aspie zdm632 up there (he is denying finasteride CAN kill your dick, this says enough about his deusion and wishful thinking), thinks that you can simply REMOVE THE CONTEXT (scalp, living tissue quality) out of the follicle (and no, that tiny amount of tissue around the follicle means jack nothing), then you are missing the point. Read that study, notice the difference in the scalp when it comes to AR depending on the zone, notice that EVEN WOMEN WITH male pattern baldness SHARE THESE PROBLEMS. You are missing the point, and if you think you are safe for life with a hair transplant WHILE NOT ON FINASTERIDE, you are up for a hard awakening.

What i've stated is, the ones that cannot tolerate that garbage (finasteride) can't get a hair transplant, because is objectively a stupid idea. So we are basically ****ed.

Look what you quoted:

In this study, 12 women and 12 men, ages 18-33 y, with androgenetic alopecia were selected for biopsies from frontal and occipital scalp sites..

..findings revealed that both women and men have higher levels of receptors and 5alpha-reductase type I and II in frontal hair follicles than in occipital follicles, whereas higher levels of aromatase were found in their occipital follicles..

It says about follicles, yes? Not the scalp skin around.

Where in the world did you come with that "skin arounf follciles" nonsense? From your own "brilliant" mind?
Yeah, that brilliant as comparing scalp skin with the terrain in which plants grow...
You were no smart than a plant, with this "idea"...
And now you start insulting? How classical...
Scalp skin around the follicles has nothing to do. The implanted hair follicle only needs blood supply to grow, and there is blood supply everywhere in the scalp.
The androgen receptors sensitive or not sensitive to DHT are IN the hair follicle itself, not around. Follicles in the safe donor area don't have sensitive androge receptors, so they don't have any problem with DHT even when they are moved to front.

"Notions of biology" i don't have? Oh, please, what are those notions, you genius??
But, if you think that the hiar follicle grows on the same principles of a plant, and that the scalp is perfectly similar to the terrain in which plants grow, then, excuse me, but that is a "monumental"' ignorance, to use your preferred word.
Wtf, it is shocking that someone older than...7 years old can come with this scalp=terrain and hair=plant analogy?
Wtf, dude? You need to "irrigate" your scalp with water for the hair to grow?
Or, in the terrain in which plants grow, are there blood vessels?
This is the dumbest thing i have ever read on the internet!!
This is cartoons-level thinking.


YOU DON'T NEED FINASTERIDE for the implanted hair to grow!
You only need it for the old existing hair to maintain.
And no, finasteride doesn't kill your dick. At least not for everyone. Many people have no side.
Get out of here with your nonsenses and kindergarten claims! You are a joke.

 

[VeprSuper]

I think Fred called it correctly. The repeated use of the word "aspie" points to puahate or sluthate as the origins of our hair transplant hater.

 

[Mikazz]

Most of the transplanted hair will stay healthy for at least 10 years. Enough time to get a cute girlfriend and get kids with her

You have less androgens receptor on the occipital scalp, they will thin much much more slowly.

 

[zdm632]

Most of the transplanted hair will stay healthy for at least 10 years. Enough time to get a cute girlfriend and get kids with her

Oh, please, so the only goal for a hair transplant is getting a nice girlfriend, and then your hair can fall?
No, i don't think so.
Where did you get those "10 years"? Try "lifetime". Transplanted hairs do not fall. Period.

Ok, if someone comes here with actual proof, with pictures of people who did transplants than only lasted 5 or 10 years, we can discuss. I honestly doubt there are much cases, because other way nobody would do a hair transplant, or they would be much cheaper, if they lasted only a couple of years. And even in the few cases you would find, i bet it's because the doctor harvested out of the safe area...
But until then, it's a case of sour grapes...
the guy is delusional, i'm still ...shocked by his scalp/terrain analogy.

 

[Zombie]

Look what you quoted:


It says about follicles, yes? Not the scalp skin around.

Where in the world did you come with that "skin arounf follciles" nonsense? From your own "brilliant" mind?
Yeah, that brilliant as comparing scalp skin with the terrain in which plants grow...
You were no smart than a plant, with this "idea"...
And now you start insulting? How classical...
Scalp skin around the follicles has nothing to do. The implanted hair follicle only needs blood supply to grow, and there is blood supply everywhere in the scalp.
The androgen receptors sensitive or not sensitive to DHT are IN the hair follicle itself, not around. Follicles in the safe donor area don't have sensitive androge receptors, so they don't have any problem with DHT even when they are moved to front.

"Notions of biology" i don't have? Oh, please, what are those notions, you genius??
But, if you think that the hiar follicle grows on the same principles of a plant, and that the scalp is perfectly similar to the terrain in which plants grow, then, excuse me, but that is a "monumental"' ignorance, to use your preferred word.
Wtf, it is shocking that someone older than...7 years old can come with this scalp=terrain and hair=plant analogy?
Wtf, dude? You need to "irrigate" your scalp with water for the hair to grow?
Or, in the terrain in which plants grow, are there blood vessels?
This is the dumbest thing i have ever read on the internet!!
This is cartoons-level thinking.


YOU DON'T NEED FINASTERIDE for the implanted hair to grow!
You only need it for the old existing hair to maintain.
And no, finasteride doesn't kill your dick. At least not for everyone. Many people have no side.
Get out of here with your nonsenses and kindergarten claims! You are a joke.

You are WRONG and CLUELESS.

The implanted hair follicle only needs blood supply to grow, and there is blood supply everywhere in the scalp.

Actually, one of the main culprits of the EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND ****ED UP PROCESS THAT IS BALDNESS, is the lack of bloodflow on the scalp.

http://www.hairloss-research.org/blog/?p=102

A study in Japan found that blood flow to the scalp of young men diagnosed with androgenetic alopecia (male pattern baldness) was 2.6 times lower than in the normal control group. A research team at L’Oreal’s subsidiary, Inneov, identified diminished circulation as a critical element of the balding process that needs to addressed in the treatment process, if one is to obtain cosmetically significant results.

Besides this, what happens to your scalp skin as the baldness process continues is something terrific. Your scalp gets tinner, tighter, it literally gets calcified. So not only follicles get attacked by DHT, but the scalp itself gets confronted with several problems. Again, you are an A grade DUMBO if you think "it's all about getting hair follicles from A and putting them on B". You guys are up from a hard awakening if you think you can leave your treatments forever post hair transplant.

 

[mr.patches]

the hell

 

[Knock_knock_its_the_Gman]

Heard very conflicting yet convincing things about this, I'm very confused.

 

[Another]

In a sense OP is right. You do need finasteride forever to at least keep whatever is left b4 hair transplant anyway. Probably not for the transplanted hairs, but for the remaining ones. Let's say ur NW5 at the time. You get ur hair transplant and its all good, but it'll keep receding untill u reach nw7. So, you'll have a strip of bald head between the transplanted lines of nw5 and nw7. I've had hair transplants and -although I'm no expert at this subject- I'm taking finasteride in the hope that I'm not gonna recede any further. But, that's just my take on that.

 

[2bald2young]

Very few hair loss sufferers will reach NW7. No one in my family is NW7 for example, they only go up to NW5.

Well even if you will reach that I think taking finasteride and dutasteride will definitely prevent that from happening.

 

[Zombie]

Very few hair loss sufferers will reach NW7. No one in my family is NW7 for example, they only go up to NW5.

So what? will you wait until NW5 to fix your hair? then hope it stops there? absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Deadman1]

Hair from the safe zone is permanent, just look at old NW6 for god's sake, the hair is still there at the back, and it could be transplanted to you butt-cheeks and still grow until death.

Saying hair transplants are a scam... you're just being irresponsible here. And I must you have a suspicious Sluthate guy aura.

He is right. There is never enough hair to transplant to make it look good. Sure the NW6 hair is still there but often times surgeons will take hair from the NW5 area. Again, a NW6 guy doesn't have enough hair to transplant.

Furthermore, a hair transplant is only temporary and good for small amounts of hair loss. As you get older, you lose more and more hair.

I have had hair transplants and without concealers I could never go out without a hat. Now as I lose more hair I am not stuck with a bald head but even worse, a bald head with transplants in the front. It is a total freak show.

For me the only option is death as my hair loss progresses. I give it another two years at the most before I pull the trigger.

- - - Updated - - -

Very few hair loss sufferers will reach NW7. No one in my family is NW7 for example, they only go up to NW5.

That's like being 600 pounds and losing 300 pounds. Yes that is a big weight loss but you are still fat. Having hair transplants in front and being a NW5 in the back is the same as a NW7.

 

[2bald2young]

You rushed into things and made the wrong decisions. You only have yourself to blame for that.

I'll post my current hair transplant results in a few days when I come back from holiday.

You'll see that you shouldn't dismiss all hair transplants like you do.

During your hair transplant where did they take the donor hair from?

 

[Ventures]

DONOR HAIR is also susceptible to balding but much less since it has less AR sites. On the other hand androgen and scalp DHT levels decrease as we age, so in your 50s and 60s you have less DHT inside your body. That means it's more likely it will last forever.

It would be interesting to put donor hair on frontal scalp (were more DHT is generated compared to occipital region) before the onset of puberty and then see how constant androgen exposure affects its growth cycles.

 

[Zombie]

Just look at the pictures in the thread linked in my signature.

Here's the area that's been the most harvested: http://www.fredk.be/fue/month3-donorright.jpg

I dont know if im used to seeing that but the back of your head looks legit deformed. Good look with your transplant tho, I hope you are on finasteride.