Opinions on Regimen

[shd04e]

Newly started regimen. I am 25 and about an nw2-2.5. Having some clear temple recession and maybe a little bit on the crown. Also feel like I have some mild overall thinning/lost density. Goals are to maintain what I have and set myself up for a Hair Transplant in 2-3 years or so.

Started 2/1
• Kirkland 5% Minoxidil Foam 2x per day
• Finasteride 1mg per day started 2/15
• Nizoral OTC 1% Shampoo 3x per week
•Pura d'or Anti Hair Loss Gold Label Shampoo
•Pura d'or Healing Conditioner
•Saw Palmetto 500mg
•NeoCell 6000mg Super Collagen +C (Type 1 and 3)
•Biotin 10,000mcg
•Zinc 50mg
•Iron 65mg
•500mg Arginine, Lysine, Taurine, and Methionine. 250mg Aceytl L-Carnitine


I am thinking about adding some more things and would love some opinions on what to do.

1). S5 cream seems to be something a lot of people do. I also hear oral spironolactone isn't a smart thing to do but there is that other recent thread where the person has had amazing results from it. It's very tempting but what are the sides like? I am on finasteride so I am clearly not scared of being in the 5% minority of people who get sides, but what is that range for oral spironolactone?

2) I have longish hair and I've heard that Minoxidil liquid reaches the scalp better because it is heavier. I am thinking about adding Lipogaine since I like the azelaic acid and retinol it has in it as well as the same 5% minoxidil I am already using. I'd probably use the Kirkland foam in the morning, and Lipogaine at night. Would it be stupid to combine two different minoxidil supplements or does it not matter?

3) RU58841 AND OC000459. I know RU also works on the DHT front but OC works on the PDG2 front.
What does RU do that finasteride doesn't?
And OC, that's legitmtaely the only thing I know about it, that it works on PDG2 inhibition.
anyone have any more info or advice about these things?

4) Hairmax Laser Comb. I don't think it can hurt to add this to my regimen. All it does is increase blood flow/circulation to the hair follicles which can't be a bad thing. Also it is very simple to use for 10-15 mins 3 times per week.

5) Acell +prp injections. All I've heard that it is a good idea to do to set yourself up for a future hair transplant. No real proof if it does anything for DHT or long term hair loss prevention, but they say its a good alternative for someone who can't be on finasteride. So why not do both? They wouldn't cancel each other out.
The growth factors and overall health of follicles from the treatment is what has me interested in it. For some reason, the idea of actually going to a reputable doctor and getting a real procedure done has me intrigued instead of only doing stuff on my own. Hence why I truly just want to get a hair transplant.


I appreciate any recommendations and advice or any corrections if I was wrong about anything I just said! Thanks

 

[Iopu]

You should add a topical anti-androgen. For further protection from dht and other hormones like testosterone that may effect your hair.

 

[Dench57]

Just use finasteride and minoxidil as your basic treatments. Forget all the supplements and lasers and S5 cream. Stick to one minoxidil, be that Kirkland or Lipogaine.
RU works by blocking both DHT and Testosterone at the androgen receptor, usually quite helpful at the hairline. Good addition if you feel you're losing ground anywhere.
OC and Setipiprant are also worth using topically if you respond to them.

 

[Hairloss23]

Cut 90% of that and just take the finasteride and min.
It's not like each line on your regimen translates to 100 more follicles. (quite ironic when you look at my regimen actually)

 

[shd04e]

You should add a topical anti-androgen. For further protection from dht and other hormones like testosterone that may effect your hair.

which one is the best topical anti-androgen to use? S5 cream? RU?


Where do I get RU? Is Kane's shop reputable? Is angenic reputable? Do I apply it like you would Liquid Minoxidil?

 

[HeyThereNow]

Good luck (y)

 

[ThatHairStruggle]

Your regimen is good, but supplements and lasercomb are not very effective. And if you're gonna throw literally everything at the wall you might as well use Avodart instead of finasteride.
Oral spironolactone literally turns you into a woman... So no you don't want to go that route

 

[shd04e]

Your regimen is good, but supplements and lasercomb are not very effective. And if you're gonna throw literally everything at the wall you might as well use Avodart instead of finasteride.
Oral spironolactone literally turns you into a woman... So no you don't want to go that route

Yea I am aware that those supplements are somewhat useless on their own. But if I am using MIN finasteride AND nizoral to work on the hair, why not add those other things that have certain roles as well.

I was told to go finasteride before avodart/dutasteride to see if I can handle an anti androgen and because finasteride might do its job so I might not even need a stronger anti androgen.

 

[MoBishop]

Sorry to hijack the thread here boys but what can you guys tell me about RU58841? I've vaguely heard of it and am anxious to hear how effective it is on the hairline. Also, like OP asked, what does it do that cannot be accomplished with finasteride?

 

[shd04e]

Sorry to hijack the thread here boys but what can you guys tell me about RU58841? I've vaguely heard of it and am anxious to hear how effective it is on the hairline. Also, like OP asked, what does it do that cannot be accomplished with finasteride?

Be my guest, hijack it all you want. Just want to know more about some of these things I listed.

RU from my understanding is a topical anti androgen while finasteride is taken orally.

This was taken from another site and it seems like it makes tons of sense to use it with finasteride. Now we just need to know where to get it!

RU58841, where it is topically applied, works by preventing DHT from attaching to hair follicles.
RU has a very high affinity for 5-ar scalp hair receptors and protects the follicle from circulating DHT.
This is a bit different than how Finasteride, Dutasteride, Ketoconazole or Azelaic Acid works.
Those compounds actually KILL DHT.
(Think of it as 'playing offense' against DHT)
RU, by contrast, protects your scalp hair receptors from the DHT, but doesn't kill it.
In theory, this is better for your body's natural hormonal homeostasis.

 

[MoBishop]

Be my guest, hijack it all you want. Just want to know more about some of these things I listed.

RU from my understanding is a topical anti androgen while finasteride is taken orally.

This was taken from another site and it seems like it makes tons of sense to use it with finasteride. Now we just need to know where to get it!

RU58841, where it is topically applied, works by preventing DHT from attaching to hair follicles.
RU has a very high affinity for 5-ar scalp hair receptors and protects the follicle from circulating DHT.
This is a bit different than how Finasteride, Dutasteride, Ketoconazole or Azelaic Acid works.
Those compounds actually KILL DHT.
(Think of it as 'playing offense' against DHT)
RU, by contrast, protects your scalp hair receptors from the DHT, but doesn't kill it.
In theory, this is better for your body's natural hormonal homeostasis.

Interesting. IIRC it was produced by a French company but now is only produced in China. Like you said, it makes perfect sense to use with finasteride and also with ketoconazole. Our hair will be defended from the DHT that slips by the two hormone killers.

I'm curious to know about potential side effects and authenticity. The fact that it is not easy to obtain gives me second thoughts. Do you know if it is FDA approved? Or approved by any European equivalents?

 

[buckthorn]

Be my guest, hijack it all you want. Just want to know more about some of these things I listed.

RU from my understanding is a topical anti androgen while finasteride is taken orally.

This was taken from another site and it seems like it makes tons of sense to use it with finasteride. Now we just need to know where to get it!

RU58841, where it is topically applied, works by preventing DHT from attaching to hair follicles.
RU has a very high affinity for 5-ar scalp hair receptors and protects the follicle from circulating DHT.
This is a bit different than how Finasteride, Dutasteride, Ketoconazole or Azelaic Acid works.
Those compounds actually KILL DHT.
(Think of it as 'playing offense' against DHT)
RU, by contrast, protects your scalp hair receptors from the DHT, but doesn't kill it.
In theory, this is better for your body's natural hormonal homeostasis.

Nice summary... and THIS is why I think anyone who won't consider finasteride, or has had a poor experience from finasteride should consider RU. I have been on it only 3 weeks now. Scalp pain, itchiness, tingling, burning is almost completely obliterated. This is awesome. This was by far the worst part of finasteride for me. I could literally feel the inflammation and my follicles being attacked. RU is an androgen antagonist, like stated above, it binds strongly to the AR receptors, preventing DHT from binding and in turn deteriorating the follicle. The only thing I worry about with RU is it going systemic. AR's are everywhere in the body and required for normal physiological functioning of certain organs. They key is to hope that it's used up in the scalp, and doesn't go systemic.

 

[shd04e]

Nice summary... and THIS is why I think anyone who won't consider finasteride, or has had a poor experience from finasteride should consider RU. I have been on it only 3 weeks now. Scalp pain, itchiness, tingling, burning is almost completely obliterated. This is awesome. This was by far the worst part of finasteride for me. I could literally feel the inflammation and my follicles being attacked. RU is an androgen antagonist, like stated above, it binds strongly to the AR receptors, preventing DHT from binding and in turn deteriorating the follicle. The only thing I worry about with RU is it going systemic. AR's are everywhere in the body and required for normal physiological functioning of certain organs. They key is to hope that it's used up in the scalp, and doesn't go systemic.

you've been on it for three weeks? I think I should dive in and give it a shot, would like to order it today in fact.

where is the best place to get it?

http://www.aarc-chems.com/ru58841-liquid-solution

http://www.thekaneshop.com/solutions-4.html

http://anageninc.com/ru58841-solutions.html

very good price at all the spots. 1 ml per day and you get 50-55ml. Also the strength is listed in 3% 5% and 8% with 5% said to be the best seller. And as you know, it says select carrier, k and b solution or PG + Ethanol. what even is a carrier? and which one is recommended ?

thanks for the help