Over masturbation most possibly can accelerate male pattern baldness in genetically susceptibles
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mr the hairy monkey
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@corvidae: that's how I am thinking as well
I would be stubborn if I disagreed with this , as a matter of fact this is true at 100% in the short term.
But this becomes untrue in the long term , because it acts like a drug on your nervous system.
At the very beginning your dopamine levels rush to a certain level while increasing your mood and making you feel great , but after that your levels will go down ... urging you to increase them once more ... that's how the loop of the vicious circle begins to form and to close itself.
however if your will is strong enough , you'll be capable of repressing that envy thereby limiting your masturbation to an "acceptable rate".
It's like a cigarette, I've seen some people smoking 3 times in a row..... for me smoking is just utterly ludicrous , you know why? because fortunately I've never smoked in my life , so I wouldn't know what it's like to enjoy it.... a smoking addict would probably tell me that I am missing the **** out , but all things considered I am better off without a pleasure that I have never experienced.
I've taken this example , because it's like the addictive effect of masturbation , with less health consequences though.
If you tried it once in your life , that would be hard to stop it entirely .... the best thing to do would be to control the damages by decreasing your masturbation rate , that's the best thing to do.
I would be stubborn if I disagreed with this , as a matter of fact this is true at 100% in the short term.
But this becomes untrue in the long term , because it acts like a drug on your nervous system.
At the very beginning your dopamine levels rush to a certain level while increasing your mood and making you feel great , but after that your levels will go down ... urging you to increase them once more ... that's how the loop of the vicious circle begins to form and to close itself.
however if your will is strong enough , you'll be capable of repressing that envy thereby limiting your masturbation to an "acceptable rate".
It's like a cigarette, I've seen some people smoking 3 times in a row..... for me smoking is just utterly ludicrous , you know why? because fortunately I've never smoked in my life , so I wouldn't know what it's like to enjoy it.... a smoking addict would probably tell me that I am missing the **** out , but all things considered I am better off without a pleasure that I have never experienced.
I've taken this example , because it's like the addictive effect of masturbation , with less health consequences though.
If you tried it once in your life , that would be hard to stop it entirely .... the best thing to do would be to control the damages by decreasing your masturbation rate , that's the best thing to do.
mr the hairy monkey
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bienvenue à bord du rafiot , j'espère que des gars comme l'autre brêle de fred vont pas nous couler.
good luck to you , and remember the golden rule : "si on veut , on peut" especially when it's about YOUR body , only you can do it , YOU are in charge of YOUR body.
frenchy
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Thx pour les encouragements bro !
I don't mean to discourage you no-fap guys but the reason we're researching hairloss here is because we want a miracle cure -- and not changing our daily manly habits. At least that's what I want. I am very happy with my masculinity and consider daily "seeding" to be a part of my manhood. Besides, it's healthy as far as I know because it cleans up prostate canals and prevents prostate cancer.
Furthermore I believe that your body cannot be fooled and if you don't "spray", you will have a night leak within a month and then every few weeks later and so on. The body just needs to make new stuff so it send the old stuff away. I am not sure how androgens in body work in such case but I believe it's similar to fapping. In any case it will be most probably associated with erotic dreams. Please confirm if you experience it.. Me with the daily action have had no such in years.. even erotic dreams are scarce.
Furthermore I believe that your body cannot be fooled and if you don't "spray", you will have a night leak within a month and then every few weeks later and so on. The body just needs to make new stuff so it send the old stuff away. I am not sure how androgens in body work in such case but I believe it's similar to fapping. In any case it will be most probably associated with erotic dreams. Please confirm if you experience it.. Me with the daily action have had no such in years.. even erotic dreams are scarce.
mr the hairy monkey
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I confirm what you said about the nightfall , in my case it was after 1 month and a half of abstinence , then every week.
the only thing I can say is that your hormones aren't affected in the same way , because you don't notice it when it happens ... so you'll take no pleasure , no pleasure = no dopamine rush.
about hairloss , that's more general , you are wasting vitamins and altering your male hormones , better not to mess with something that remains unclear.
frenchy
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well we do not have the same goals actually, a little change in life habbits who may slow down the process would be a win to me. May be it will not but thats just an experiment. furthermore, as i said it might be helpfull for me to quit p**rn for personal reasons..
regarding the prostate canal etc, you are probably right, but i guess you can still achieve that by banging chicks regularly which i will keep doing.
?? I thought you wanted to stop androgens -> hairloss. Banging chicks does the same thing with androgens as fapping, IMO. To stop hair loss by ceasing sexual function you would have to stop sexing, or even looking at women (as looking at p**rn or presumably a hot woman reportedly induces androgens release in body). Even being around any attractive women would be difficult without getting somewhat higher androgen levels.
I do think there might be a slight spike in androgens during and after it. That being said its slight and temporary so probably not a huge deal long term because your going bald with or without it anyways. So IMO it does not make a big long term difference but it might have a slight affect if you did it often enough just like over indulging in anything.
Notcoolanymore
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Good Luck.
frenchy
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Thx maher!
Like hairy monkey said, it's about not wasting energy vitamins and messing with male hormones with OVER masturbation and p**rn-consumption not a complete cessation of sexual life.. again that's jsut a theory and a trial
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Thx Notcoolanymore
A wish coming from you means a lot, you know. Especially when you say it without sending us badrep.
this really seems like an experiment in the making.. keep the fap diaries near guys and also put in the dates of the nightly semen accidents. Also keep dates of every normal sex you have. This may help later in determining your androgen exposure from these events.
I actually nofapped for 43 days and I can testify some changes I've noticed while I was not fapping.
Pros
1. More energy/less fatigue (probably due to lower cortisol level)
2. Can concentrate/focus better
3. Had my first wet dream on the 41st day
4. Hair looked thicker, but this may be a coincidence since my hair was growing longer
5. More free time
Cons
1. Insufficient evidence for preventing shedding
2. Hard to pull off unless you stop going to p**rn sites COMPLETELY
3. Some weird and dirty black stuff accumulated in my semen when I finally fapped on day 44. It definitely did not look healthy or natural. I've never experienced this until now.
If you want to try nofap for solely hair loss purpose, make sure to take a baseline picture for before/after evidence. I couldn't tell if nofap helped me or not during those 43 days because I was taking many supplements (not finasteride), using minoxidil (Lipogaine), and bentonite clay hair pack once in a while.
For me, pros outweighed the cons by a little bit, but third point from the cons list got me worried quite a bit. After the relapse, I fapped 2-3 times in 3-4 days only at the end of the week when I had more free time. I did notice that my energy level after fapping was low and I could not complete exercise routines that I was able to while I was not fapping.
My hypothesis is that I've been suffering from adrenal fatigue + hypothyroid (probably Hashimoto's) syndrome ever since I lost a lot of weight 7.5 years ago. Also, I was addicted to porns/masturbation/sex in the same time frame, which in turn sustained increased cortisol level (adrenal fatigue) and triggered increased rT3 level (thyroid issue).
Recently, I started nofap again because of low energy level and I could not justify spending 30 min to search/watch p**rn. It's been 9 days since last ejaculation and my energy level is definitely better already. There is a study that suggests we need 14 day window to return to normal status after ejaculation and I suppose energy level is one of the outcomes that is influenced by this window.
Unfortunately, I cannot say confidently that nofap will help with hair loss. It's good to try if you have the willpower, but do not have your hopes up too high.
Pros
1. More energy/less fatigue (probably due to lower cortisol level)
2. Can concentrate/focus better
3. Had my first wet dream on the 41st day
4. Hair looked thicker, but this may be a coincidence since my hair was growing longer
5. More free time
Cons
1. Insufficient evidence for preventing shedding
2. Hard to pull off unless you stop going to p**rn sites COMPLETELY
3. Some weird and dirty black stuff accumulated in my semen when I finally fapped on day 44. It definitely did not look healthy or natural. I've never experienced this until now.
If you want to try nofap for solely hair loss purpose, make sure to take a baseline picture for before/after evidence. I couldn't tell if nofap helped me or not during those 43 days because I was taking many supplements (not finasteride), using minoxidil (Lipogaine), and bentonite clay hair pack once in a while.
For me, pros outweighed the cons by a little bit, but third point from the cons list got me worried quite a bit. After the relapse, I fapped 2-3 times in 3-4 days only at the end of the week when I had more free time. I did notice that my energy level after fapping was low and I could not complete exercise routines that I was able to while I was not fapping.
My hypothesis is that I've been suffering from adrenal fatigue + hypothyroid (probably Hashimoto's) syndrome ever since I lost a lot of weight 7.5 years ago. Also, I was addicted to porns/masturbation/sex in the same time frame, which in turn sustained increased cortisol level (adrenal fatigue) and triggered increased rT3 level (thyroid issue).
Recently, I started nofap again because of low energy level and I could not justify spending 30 min to search/watch p**rn. It's been 9 days since last ejaculation and my energy level is definitely better already. There is a study that suggests we need 14 day window to return to normal status after ejaculation and I suppose energy level is one of the outcomes that is influenced by this window.
Unfortunately, I cannot say confidently that nofap will help with hair loss. It's good to try if you have the willpower, but do not have your hopes up too high.
californiaoceans911
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I will try to be unbiased even though I think NoFAP is a load a sheet.
As far as your pros go, did you think that maybe because you're not obsessing over masturbation that #5 is the cause of #1 and #2? More free time, sleep more, thus more energy. As for your hair looking thicker, people have to stop thinking that male pattern baldness is this magical thing that happens in 40 days. This is an ongoing long-term problem. Even if there was a benefit to NoFAP, you sure as sh1t wouldn't see it in your hair after a few weeks or even months.
Also, I saw my endocrinologist today and he was telling me that the term "adrenal fatigue" is thrown around way too loosely online. Additionally, I have now have both hyperthyroid and hypothyroid over the past few months and both can cause you to be excessively tired. Hyper seemed to be worse as far as symptoms go, for me at least. I've been hypo still for a couple of months, and it's not going back to normal. Also my testosterone level is through the roof as well as my estradiol levels. They think it may be a testicular or adrenal gland tumor but I hope not, fingers crossed!
Hair loss is a tricky, fickle b1tch. I don't think anyone could do a scientific study that proved anything on a forum. It's like asking everyone to self-measure their penis and taking the results to be reliable lol.