Pictures of why you need to be on finasteride after surgery

[michael barry]

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full

Pics of the man above show good work from Hasson and Wong. Six thousand plus plugs. Well done, trycocyte closure of donor scar.


He's been on proscar from the day after surgery.

NOW LOOK CLOSE AT HIS HIPPOCRATIC WREATH AREA. Notice how fat the hairs are NOW as opposed to BEFORE THE SURGERY? Look at the sides boys. See how thick the hairs on the sides are? This man is on finasteride ONLY. DHT effects even hairs in your so-called "donor" area.

Thats the problem with transplantation. Even though his hair transplant looks great now, since propecia doesnt block all of your DHT, he will start to see the hair thin ever so slowly as years pass. A Doctor once told me youre back to where you started on propecia at about year twelve to fourteen. Baldning much slower than what you would have, but still losing hair, ever so slowly. This guy will need more hair to fill in the bald spot, because as the years pass the bald spot will grow. I imagine he might use some body hair to fill it in as the years pass.

Remember, there really is no hair on your head that is completely free on androgen influence if you have male pattern baldness. Elderly bald men often have just two inch hippocratic wreaths left.

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael, although I appreciate your help, why do you make a double-post?

 

[Hans Gruber]

his wreath truly is splendid,maybe he will loan it to you :hairy:

 

[Guest]

What sense can it make for the doctor you spoke with to make a scientific conclusion about finasteride losing efficiency after 12-14 years of use when that time period has not even lapsed yet? :roll: Even the studies evaluating the inhibition properties of finasteride relating to male pattern baldness are not 12 years old.

You're presenting opinion, not scientific fact based on emperical data. :roll:

 

[michael barry]

Dr. Washenik lectured on it in person. It was PROSCAR DATA. The TWENTY year old FIVE milligram version of finateride that was discussed. You see there WERE follow ups on the hair growing side effect of THAT PROSTATE medication.


The doctor I talked to, who is a hairtransplant Doctor (and no Im not going to tell you his name so he can be deluged with emails from you and zillions of other hairtranplant salesmen and surgeons telling him to stop telling the truth about propecia) told me that Washenik stated that this is the general "curve" with finasteride. http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/pro ... /index.jsp even clicking the link and looking at the line graph on propecia's own site will show you after year two, the hair counts begin to decrease. A fool could see this.

According to the Doctor, in years 12 to 14, men "get back to where they started" when they first began taking finasteride. Finasteride DOES NOT blocl all DHT. It inhibits 90% of type 2 made-DHT. It gets none of the type 1 alpha five reductase-enzyme's production of DHT. DHT can also be made by dihydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) using sulfites to make DHT a third way in some instance in men, and also it can be oxidized (Whiting) from androstenidione (*another male hormone that might contribute to hairloss) a forth way. Alpha five type two created DHT from Testosterone is the MAIN way the follicle's androgen receptors transcript DHT however.


So men, who mistakenly think their hippocratic wreaths wont ever change (in spite of the fact that all they have to do is look around at some old bald men who have tiny hippocratic wreaths, I mean DUH), getting transplants may see those same transplants and their donor hair start to thin EVEN ON PROPECIA 15 years or so down the line. Thats not bad, what about 30 years down the line when they have "hair islands"? Its alot to think about. I'll state it again for you newbies, If you start losing hair ON ITS OWN, without any chemical help before 30-35...........you might be screwing up huge getting plugs now if no cloning or a gene therapy comes through to bail you out in the coming decades.

 

[stax]

michael barry, in this study it shows that androstenidione is a inhibitor of DHT. Read the link.

http://www.hairloss-research.org/testos ... t2001.html


"It is never talked about but it is important to raise androstenedione levels per se as well as testosterone. At Gumna University in Japan 26 androstenedione was found to be a strong 5-alpha reductase inhibitor."



At Leeds University in England5 human prostate tissue with BPH was found to be deficient in androstenedione.

At the University of Edinburgh in Scotland27 doctors demonstrated androstenedione was a powerful inhibitor of 5-alpha reductase activity in the human prostate and had clinical therapeutic potential.

 

[rawbd]

Dr. Washenik lectured on it in person. It was PROSCAR DATA. The TWENTY year old FIVE milligram version of finateride that was discussed. You see there WERE follow ups on the hair growing side effect of THAT PROSTATE medication.


The doctor I talked to, who is a hairtransplant Doctor (and no Im not going to tell you his name so he can be deluged with emails from you and zillions of other hairtranplant salesmen and surgeons telling him to stop telling the truth about propecia) told me that Washenik stated that this is the general "curve" with finasteride. http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/pro ... /index.jsp even clicking the link and looking at the line graph on propecia's own site will show you after year two, the hair counts begin to decrease. A fool could see this.

According to the Doctor, in years 12 to 14, men "get back to where they started" when they first began taking finasteride. Finasteride DOES NOT blocl all DHT. It inhibits 90% of type 2 made-DHT. It gets none of the type 1 alpha five reductase-enzyme's production of DHT. DHT can also be made by dihydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) using sulfites to make DHT a third way in some instance in men, and also it can be oxidized (Whiting) from androstenidione (*another male hormone that might contribute to hairloss) a forth way. Alpha five type two created DHT from Testosterone is the MAIN way the follicle's androgen receptors transcript DHT however.


So men, who mistakenly think their hippocratic wreaths wont ever change (in spite of the fact that all they have to do is look around at some old bald men who have tiny hippocratic wreaths, I mean DUH), getting transplants may see those same transplants and their donor hair start to thin EVEN ON PROPECIA 15 years or so down the line. Thats not bad, what about 30 years down the line when they have "hair islands"? Its alot to think about. I'll state it again for you newbies, If you start losing hair ON ITS OWN, without any chemical help before 30-35...........you might be screwing up huge getting plugs now if no cloning or a gene therapy comes through to bail you out in the coming decades.

I've been lurking around the forums for several months now and you, michael barry, have some interesting information. I was curious, do you mind telling me what your regimen / hair loss situation is?

 

[michael barry]

Stax,

The male hormone androstenidone is one of the group (testosterone, Dihydrotestosterone, Dehydoepiandrosterone, Dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, Androstenidione) that most recognize as male hormone.

Andro is still a male hormone. In experiments, just tesosterone inhibits hair growth to a degree of hair cells cultivated from men with androgenic alopecia http://alpecin.com/en/pdf/alpecin_research_3.pdf
That research was done at a German University (Jena I think) that cultivated entire hairs for 6-10 days with testosterone. It slowed the keratincoytes acitivity. The hair you see on your head is basically keratin made by the keratinocytes. I have no idea if Alpecin is trash or not. The European Hair Research Society is supposed to discuss caffeine (Alpeicin's main ingredient) in about a month.

Andro is the steroid baseball's Mark McGuire took when he hit 70 homeruns a few years back. I know a bodybuilder that took andro for a while. He has a good hairline and nice hair. He told me that the effect was just like when he used to take steroids in college. He was horny alot, had a short temper, could work out like a madman, and was losing hair.

When androgens bind with the rececptor sites on the cytoplasm of your dermal papilla cell walls, the dermal papilla can release antigens or mitogens to the rest of the follicle. Or, perhaps neither if the hairs are androgen-neutral. In bald men, they seem to release antigens (growth inhibitors) that tell other parts of the follicle to "slow down". Bryan posted a study that Dr. Marty Sawaya did in a debate with Stephen that showed hairs that were cultivated for 14 days in collagen. The effect of the male hormone added to them without a receptor-blocker (RU58841) to protect it was that the keratinocytes slowed down by 23% and the DNA/RNA polymerase activity slowed down 12% each.

Androstenidione may also have a negative effect when its "transcripted" in hairs androgen receptor sites. Its been postulated by some docs that andro might aggravate hair loss or hairs might become "sensitive" to it as well as DHT over time. Dr. Whiting, who has a great paper in the hairloss library here at GourmetStyleWellness, mentions in his paper that andro can be oxidized into DHT itself as a third way for DHT to be made. Thats without alpha five reductase. Who knows, maybe as men get older.......andro can become a catalyst for losing hair too. Ive seen estraidol, the strogest estrogen mentioned as a possible candidate as a hormone that "might have something to do with hairloss" in some articles as well as cortisol, the stress hormone.

Depressing how "bad" your hair seems to wanna leave you isnt it. Did you know that people on propecia (like me) see an increase in the formation of androgen receptors on the dermal papillas of their hairs? Its like the body is trying to compensate for the lack of DHT that is killing its hairs. Sucks.

 

[michael barry]

Rawbd,

Im a NW3. I have hair about like the actor Jude Law. There are 90-something transplants in my temples from about 10 years back. I have plenty of hair to conceal them. Im planning on electrolysing them out. Im pale complected, so scar tissue shouldn't really show up on me, and if it did, I'd get a permanent skin-colored (permanent make-up) tatoo over the little area.
If you seen me out, youd say "that SOB has pretty fair hair, whats he whining about".

Ive taken propecia for a long time. Im using minoxidil once a day. I use nizoral about twice a week. Im using an anti-DHT shampoo called Nanoguard most days I dont use Nizoral. I have some NANO shampoo I use from time to time. I have a bottle of Folligen coming in the mail. Its to be used every other day according to the maker.

I have piddled with many things. Prox-N, Tricomin, Folligen, American Crew, Spironolactone, Revivogen, Crinagen. Nanoguard.


I tested the revivogen and crinagen as anti-androgens on my wrists. Anti-androgens are supposed to slow body hair growth. Revivogen did it much better than Crinagen did. Crinagen, in my opinion had hardly no effect at all, but Revivogen really did seem to be an effective anti-androgen. It stinks though.

spironolactone seems nice, and would be a great product to use at the same time with Prox-N, which is proboably the best copper peptide product in my opinion. There is a picture of Bryan's two year results with Prox-N here at gourmetstylewellness.com in the Photo Gallery page. He regrew some hair over a two year period while using no anti-androgens with it. It just tries to counteract the immuno-attack on the hair follicle. Im going to go with folligen because its alot cheaper, and I think its still pretty good stuff. The inventor, Dr. Loren Pickart, invented both Tricomin and Folligen (and Graftycyte and American Crew are based on his inventions), and Pickart thinks Folligen is best. Its proboably the second most effective SOD-acitivity product.


If I were really SERIOUS about keeping what I had for as long as possible..................I think Id do propecia, spironolactone twice a day applied with prox-N, use nizoral twice a week. Perhaps minoxidil once a night. Id subsititue soy milk for cow milk, take green tea extract. Id stay away from high glycemic index foods like white bread, excess sugars, pototoes.


That would be my little regimine if I was a young guy and just starting to lose hair. Id be watching and waiting for cloning and watching research for new products periodically.

Dr. Proctor says that its best to fight baldness on the anti-androgenic front, anti-inflammation front, Superoxide dismutase front, and the growth stimulant front. That regimine above would get all that.

Of course just spironolactone twice a day and folligen would get that too.


My opinion on baldness from what Ive been able to learn is that its unendingly progressive. Your hair WANTS to fall out (miniaturize) and will do so in about a year if you have baldness and suddenly stop treating it. It will go to where it genetically would have quite quickly. Dr. James Hamilton proved this when he shot up castrates with testosterone back in the forties. The castrates who had baldness genes, lost all the hair they would have lost in about a year or so reportedly.

Its funny now that we have receptor blockers and DHT inhibitors that some men are "cheating" baldness for a couple of decades at least. Waiting for a genetic therapy, cloning, or a pharmacutical cure that stops whatever is going on inside the dermal papilla when the papilla transcripts male hormone. Thats where the ugly action is occuring in my opininon. The papilla. That doesnt mean that the papilla is the place where the stem-cell DNA is hiding out that relays baldness genes are (they could be in the arrector pilli muscle, tissue sheath, or any other part of the follicle that is present in all three major phases of growth). It sucks. I wish science knew where and what it is we have that other men dont in there.


Anyhoo......Ive got some proanthocyanidins (polygro) coming in the mail. Id like to try them. They appeal to me because they are natural and Im nosy. There are homemade recipies for them on hairsite under Wasedas regimine. Id like to piddle with a few other things. Im wanting to try a few anti-androgens on some body hair (wrists again) and see if there is anything to them. There is some beta-sitosterol in a few substances and Im thinking of trying this. Ive though of spraying the proantho's on the back of one hand and seeing if they amped up body hair growth (there are supposed to be stimulants). Im tired of products that dont get tested, or if they do, dont post the photos of growth. We know propecia and minoxidil, and nizoral work. Id like to test some other stuff. I can vouch for revivogen. Stink or not, thats pretty good stuff. Im intrigued a bit by alpecin also, and am interested in the research results of the EHRS conference in a couple of months on it. Im also intrigued by topical saw palmetto, and have thought of buying a bit of it and putting it on a patch of my forearm and seeing if it decreased growth in about six months. If some of this stuff works, Id report back here online what did well and what didnt. I ought to buy a cheap disposable camera and post the damn pics If I could find a scanner--Har Har.

As you can tell, Ive gotten a bit interested in hair. Im alot interested in seeing young men like you not get ripped off by snake oil companies or talked into surgery years before you can really appreciate the consequenses. Men who get big donor scars cant conceptualize accurately how they might regret not being able to buzz their heads later. I hope by spreading a wee bit of what Ive learned online, a few guys out there wont make some of the mistakes I have. Men with male pattern baldness, like us, dont deserve to be ripped off because of this stuff.


My advice to a young guy is to use the proven stuff. The big three plus spironolactone topically twice a day should keep most in hair for a good while. Adding another anti-inflammatory shampoo a few time a week or a copper peptide shampoo like NANO too it should see a young guy keep what he has until more info about cloning comes out. If a young fella did all this and started to 'really' lose the battle after five years or so, he might consider a buzzcut. Its the best time in history for guys with male pattern baldness in that regard. You can look cool and be bald now if you keep your hair short. That was not always the case. I came of age in the big-hair eighties and nobody looked like Vin Deisel or that very cool guy that plays Lex Luthor on Smallville, or an icon like Michael Jordan (one of the coolest guys of all time)


On that wreath hair post before I leave........thats my point about transplants. You will genetically slowly bald to where you were going to bald to in old age. Even guys on the big-three would slowly over the years see the hair go. Even if this was 35 years. If you were going to be bald at 35, you might not be bald until 65-70, but you would get there. Just alot slower. Ive seen some men with very small, thin wreaths. Only about three inches in height, sides receeded back to the ears. Transplants on men who arent good candidates are the thing Id like to warn guys from. All other things might lead to baldness or wearing an goofy rug for a time until you "get over it" and cut it short. Transplants however, make baldness a lifetime commitment that may lead to a forced toupee' wearin' even if you dont want that. They can lead to utter disfigurement if you get a lousy Doctor too.

Thats about it. Thats why Ive spent a little time on the forums showing some what Ive been able to pick up. If you want to learn some about baldness........follow Bryans posts here. Matt500 (or 5001) over at HLH is very astute also. Hairsite has a couple of really brainy guys in The Almighty God of Hairloss, James Bond, John the Revelator. They all know a great deal more than me. Tom Hagerty at hairloss-reversible.com also knows tons about hair.

 

[stax]

michael barry, thats very interesting what you said about Testosterone, and that study. Ive read otherwise, that studies have shown LOW testosteorne levels in men with baldness. Also, those people who were born unable to produce type 2 DHT never go bald and they have a lot more testosterone than we do. I dont know if i trust that study by Alpecin because they are selling a product. If testosterone really did inhibit some hair growth than simply using Alpecin shampoo everyday would be the cure for that then right?. I also read this poster on HLH saying that he has a lot of diffuse thinning and his blood tests showed LOW testosterone. Who knows. I appreciate your info, its very insightfull. I can wait untill HM hits the market and solves all our problems. Here are some other links to check out mentioning that Testosterone thing, and a thread about estrogen.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =6&t=17409
http://www.hairlossbuddy.com/6/alcohol/
http://www.remedio-capilar.com/hormones ... irloss.htm

 

[michael barry]

Stax,

Its YOUR hairs response to testosterone that initiates miniaturization by the standard medical establishment theory of baldness. You only have to have *some* testosterone. Even if you just have 30% normal levels, your alpha five reductase enyzmes is making DHT out of it, and they are being transcripted in your hairs, leading to the ugly process of baldness.

You posted some very interesting links. Im going to look into them.


By the way, on Alpecin.............the studies were done at the University of Bonn and the U. of Jena. Alpeicn (topical caffeine really) is going to lectured on at next months EHRS (European Hair Research Society) conference. We should know if that stuff is garbage of not when we get the text of the conference and see what the scientists say about the study. It may be SH*t, may not. Ive no position on it. But they did cultivate WHOLE hairs in the study with testosterone and not just hair cells. Thats impressive in that its a good example that just plain testosterone can negatively effect male pattern baldness hairs alone, even before its DHT. Androstenidione has been accused by some docs of being able to hurt male pattern baldness-prone hair also.

You mentioned the men with no-alpha five type two never balding. Its been suggested that DHT might be the hormone that *initiates* male pattern baldness, and over time the male pattern baldness hairs themselves may develop a sensitivity to the other hormones. I try to keep in mind that the Peurto Rican and Guatamalen men that were studied that dont have this enzyme come from a part of the world (Peurto Rico and Guatemala) where pattern baldness is pretty rare anyway. IF alpha five type two were all there was to it, propecia would pretty much be a cure for baldness and we all know its not.

 

[Guest]

There you go again on your endless renegade tangents. Of course you won't name the doctor because it all amounts to alot of unfounded hype which you always magnetize too. I am always humored by your insistance on calling anyone who challenges and opposes your hype a "salesmen" including other physicians which you are obviously not. You radicals are always all alike. Insisting that everyone will end up like you. But everyone won't make the same mistakes as you did.

FYI, Proscar is a prostrate drug and NEVER had any research or clinical trials reagarding it's use for treating male pattern baldness. You need to start providing factual emperical data that has been verified and published by reputable doctors.

Remember folks, patients respond differently to meds, surgery, whatever. Not everyone ends up like him as much as he insists everyone will.

 

[michael barry]

Proscar is FIVE MILLIGRAMS Of FINASTERIDE


Propecia is ONE milligram of Finasteride.


YOU IDIOT> But of course you knew that.

Folks, for all of you watchin' at home. "Gillenator" is extremely active on hairsite, GourmetStyleWellness, and hairlosshelp under the name "PeterMac". Hundreds upon hundreds of posts trying to sell the wonders of hairtransplants. Which simply take hairs from your hippocratic wreath, and move them to the front of your head. He doesnt tell you that they cut out a big swath out of the back of your head, and sew it up, making a big scar that looks like a smiley face from ear to ear. This pretty much guarantees that you can never shave your head or buzz it short again. The only way around this is to get a FUE, or follicular unit extraction transplant which is performed by a few doctors. It surgically extracts the hairs one at a time. Its much more expensive (10 bucks a graft is what Dr. Robert Jones of Toronto is doing them for, a good Doctor by the way).

The problem with transplants, which I point out endlessly is that your hippocratic wreath may not eventaully be a big one. Look at Vice President Dick Cheney. Look at Dr. Phil. IN their early twenties, they HAD hair. Many men who go extremely bald once had hair. Frank Sinatra, who performed in a toupee' for the last 30 years or so of his life actually had very thick hair and a strong hairline as a teenager (so did I).

Propecia, or 1 mg of Finasteride (which is much less than the 5 mgs of Finasteride of a proscar tablet if youre as DISHONEST as Gillenator) sees haircounts spike at 2 years. Then haircounts decrease EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Propecia only gets 90% of type 2 alpha reductase produced DHT. It does not affect type 1 alpha five reductase enzyme produced DHT AT ALL. Even dutasteride only gets about half of type 1, but 98% of type 2 alpha-five reductase DHT. YOU ARE NOT "getting it all" with propecia. DHT can also be made from oxidized androstenidione and DHEA interacton with sulfites according to some researchers.

The lie that "propecia stops further baldness for good" is what got me to pay for 100 plugs ten years ago. I found to my extreme dismay that my temples kept receeding after a couple of year lull ever so slowly. Most of the plug fields on both sides are "alone" now. Fortunately for me, my "plug fields'" arent much bigger than a man's thumb in my temples. I still have pretty good hair and can easily conceal them. Lots of YOU GUYS, thinking the same thing can at least be alerted to what transplants may bring you ten years down the line, twenty years down the line if cloning doesnt work out to come and "save" you from the recession behind the plugs, the bald spot opening up in the back of your head.


Im very HATED by doctors who perform transplants. Ive been emailed by a one moderator in particular who told me so. Why? because Im telling you the truth about what youre risking with surgery, and its keeping some men from getting plugs. They attempt to treat their hair and wait for cloning instead. Remember boys, all those little white scars that will be in your temples will make it hard to buzz your head, even if you get the plugs removed someday. That will NO LONGER BE AN OPTION FOR YOU unless you scar extremely well and get a skin-colored (permanent make-up) tatoo.


If youre young and just starting to receed, the best thing you can do is the big 3 and possibly add an anti-androgenic topical to cut down androgen transcription further. Do your own research at this time. This website considers Spironolactone and Reviviogen to be the best two topical anti-androgens. Ive seen Fluridil recommended by some also. Those four things should keep you from losing much more for some years. We might have hair cloning in 5 years or so (or might not, phase two tests are to start in June/July at Intercytex.......we will have to see how well they do).


Keep in mind gents, that many posts in forums are by "shills", or people who want to sell you something. I dont sell anything, but I care enough about young men balding before 30 who have "cueball" genetics to not see em' phuck up their lives in 15 years by getting surgery that they are not cadidates for. Hairtransplant salesmen, wondering why sales are down (blame Michael Jordon, the Rock, Lex Luthor on Smallville, Bruce Willis, Andre Agassi, Michael Chickis, effective treatments that hold off the ineveitable for perhaps 15 years or so guys) troll the forums, putting up trick-lighted photos, best case-scenario men with head shapes (large donor areas) that allow for decieving results when measured against the majority of the targets. A buzz cut and a gym bod aint that bad. Ask the ladies. That shaved head guy from American Idol proboably doesnt have any problem meeting the babes.

 

[stax]

michael barry, thanks for the reply, i enjoy your posts. I totally agree with your take on hair transplants and as you can see thats why im on a ton of treatments to protect my hair untill HM comes out, im hoping to god its out in 4 years at the MOST. I would never consider a transplant at anytime, luckily i kind of caught this thing early and my hairline is regrowing. I hope the scarring from HM is very small where it would allow one to buzz their hair if they want.


Regarding scars, i dont know if you've heard of Dr.Pickart, but people using his products have actually gotton rid of scars. I think he uses copper peptides and a bunch of other stuff. He has a forum too where people post their results. I just started some treatment so i'll update in a few months.


http://www.skinbiology.com/

 

[Guest]

Michael, seriously, you really need to go to anger management. Like other radicals here, you get so frustrated when anyone corrects you or challenges your information, that you have to resort to name calling which just proves your immaturity. Very childish, but that's okay because I have seen many, many just like you and you certainly don't offend me in any way.

Like I have always said, when anyone goes on tangent after tangent, insisting everyone will end up like you did, we all see right through it. Doom and gloom for everyone. Your agenda is very obvious, just like the others. Then I really laughed so hard when you accused me of being "Peter Mac" in the other forums! :lol: You're really getting desperate when you resort to blatent lies and blasphemy. These folks know that is not true. Do you think everyone is ignorant? You just hang yourself with your own words. :wink:

Like I have always said, read any of my posts, and they speak for themselves. And listen, save your insecurity for yourself. I already know that about you and your posts just reinforce that belief. And at least I am honest enough to once again say publicly that you do provide "some" helpful information regarding cloning, HM, and the like. In fact I have made a point to thank you publicly, in spite of your rampages. Do you know why? Because it was helping others, nothing more.

So to make this very clear to you for the umteenth time, it's not that I have a problem with Michael Barry, it's your behavior when you get off on these tangents insisting that EVERONE will end up with the Hippo-wreaths that you call. Where ever you got that term is anyone's guess! On one side you are correct, some guys WILL end up like that. BUT NOT EVERYONE DOES, including myself.

All anyone has to do is simply start observing older men who have hairloss. Sure, you will see the Norwood 7's with the wreath, but you will also see Norwood 6's, 5's, 4's, etc, etc. Not everyone ends up the way Michael insists. I consistently receive contact from older guys who still have lots of natural hair left, and maybe just went through a divorce and want to fix their hairline ot just fill in some areas. And guess what? Most of them fifty plus years old never have nor ever will take Propecia. Yet their hairloss is not drastic and in most cases, their own family histories confirm it. Yes we all know there are no guarantees. I am 51 years old, had three hair transplants because I could not afford to do alot in one procedure. Yet I have and continue to enjoy a very restored look and get compliments.

But for anyone who gets on these forums and insists that all of those with male pattern baldness will end up like Dick Cheney is simply not telling the truth, period. There are many men like me and older who have sustained great success with surgical hair restoration.

So now for the impending question, "Why would someone go out of their way to insist no one can have success with hair transplants?" I'll tell you why. It's because THEY CAN'T HAVE IT! Plain and simple. These radicals come on these forums under the guise of presenting useful info, some of which is, but throughout their threads they insert their one-sided doom and gloom message. They present themselves as useful providers of information but their goal is to discourage anyone from geting a hair transplant. It is so pathetically obvious. Does that sound like anyone else we know in this forum who presents the same message? See what I mean? Same theme, same motives, same jealousy.

 

[michael barry]

Before I start kids, Look at this perfect example of what Im talking about. Concentrate on the FIRST repair job (good work) http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN

See that? That man's wreath is quite thin BEFORE the repair was done. Now he has "decent" density in the front just ahead of a huge bald spot. He still looks strange as very few people bald that way.


Many of you young folks reading this stuff dont realize how unendingly progressive baldness is and how often old bald men do wind up NW6 or more. If you live to be in your seventies, MANY of them do. Not being NW6 by 45 is commmon, but by 55, its alot less common.

I have whats considered nice hair. Id be considered a very good candidate for a hair transplant.

Gillenator, who has hundreds of posts just here at gourmetstylewellness.com, has many more at hairsite, and posts under another name at HLH (used to be Petermac, I dont look there much anymore, he might have changed it).

Lots of you dont realize that professional shills who are paid by the ISHRS (the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgeons) are just former salesman or are still salesmen who come on the internet to create buzz for transplants.



First, a history lesson for the newbies,

After the advent of propecia, and the ability to move single hairs, ........tons of doctors got into the hair transplant field. The "game" was to tell men that propecia, or one milligram of finasteride which is one/fifth the dose of a prostate drug, proscar, ........would basically keep them from future baldness. It doesnt, but it does slow it down a great deal. You are buying 12-14 years more before you would worsen from where youre at right now. But afterwards you continue to lose hair, just quite slowly.............balding to where you genetically were going to.

After four or five years, around 2000, 2001......the salescum put the line out to many that "well, propecia doesnt help in the temples" very much and some other male hormones might be at play here. Why? Because alot of the men who rushed out in the mid-nineties (lots of men had heard about proscar's effects on hair in trials and knew of propecia's development during its dosage testing) had gotten plugs thinking, well.....I wont lose hair behind it. After the temporal recession continued (I think finasteride has very little effect in the temples comparitavely as its only really testsed by Merk in the anterior middle and back for increased hair counts anyway), men were fed the "its not that effective in the temples lie". By NOW.....many men who got surgery know the truth.


Would any youngish men even consider transplants if they KNEW there was no propecia like in the eighties? I used to never feel sorry for the early victims of getting plugs and winding up with hair islands back then. I used to think "well, for pete's sake, didnt you know you'd keep going bald". Thing is now, lots of men think they can "stop" baldness with a pill. Truth is that it doesnt.

With transplant numbers DOWN, the salesmen log onto the internet with decieving trick lighted photos and shill stories like "Im 25 and look at the good results Ive got" and "Is 24 too young" etc. OF course it is. Lots of completely bald men werent even thinning at that age. Some men who dont start thinning until their early 30's eventually cueball.

What bothers me about GourmetStyleWellness being used as a fishing pond for hair transplant's is that so many of the fellas here are so young and impressionable.

Remember, once you get in that chair and get those scars, buzzing your head is forever out of the question. If cloning doesnt pan out in the next five years or so (and if it doesnt in ten more years of research, the money behind it will proboably dry up), youre stuck with what you will have, and that will be a plugged combover with hair transplants like the guy in the first pic. Might not have it until 55 or 60, but it will make you addicted to propecia and minoxidil for the rest of your life. You might not like that sixty bucks every month, that every morning routine.


Keep in mind, salesguys now the "psychology of hairloss" and it is read about and discussed amongst them. I plan to make a post of every trick Ive ever encountered on a hair transplant consultation. It will make you all laugh very hard, I promise. Oh, and Gillenator, keep up the good work for your surgeon or the ISHRS. Im sure they are proud of you.

 

[Aplunk1]

With many doctors,
the plug "look" will never be a problem for many of us.

 

[Guest]

You're right Aplunk. The industry has come a long, long way and especially in the past decade. There are many reputable talented hair transplant surgeons doing astute work. And remember, great work will never be detected by others. We all have stood directly in front of people that have had exceptional work done and we don't even know it. That's the way it's supposed to be.

 

[Guest]

Michael Barry,

The more you post, the more lies you try to propogate, the more your true character shows. You're too angry at your world to see it.

But since you insist on trying to slant the character of others, the whole ISHRS, so on and so on. It again just proves how warped and one-sided your opinions are.

But lets talk about YOU for a minute. I know what you are about and so do many others. See, you are not fooling anybody by disguising your underlying motives and I'm going to prove it right now with "your own" historical behavior in the forums. And I'm referring to what you both DO and DON'T do. Get it? Now let's get real specific with the facts shall we?

First of all, the facts are that you only participate in this forum where there are alot of newbies. Why is that Michael Barry? :roll: I'll tell you why. You specifically select a forum where you feel you can get away with all of your one-sided negativity "targeted at newbies". Now here's the million dollar question everybody. "How come Michael Barry does not attempt to pull these stunts at Hairsite, and the other major forums?" I'll tell you why. IT"S BECAUSE THERE ARE FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES THERE!

Michael Barry would never get away with his stunts because there are SO MANY success stories there and elsewhere from all ages and ethnic backgrounds. He would get CRUCIFIED! :freaked2:

But do you know who knows that better than anyone else? None other than MICHAEL BARRY! Even the moderators of these other sophisticated forums would rebuke his one-sided propoganda. Just take a look at the other forums and you won't find him doing the things he does here. Why have you not told us about all of that Michael Barry. Oh, I know, you do not want anyone to KNOW THOSE FACTS do you Michael Barry? :roll:

Well, speaking of facts, I challenge anyone, anytime, anywhere, to read both his posts and mine. Pull up his posts and mine and start reading. You determine who is trying to "help others" and who is trying to "influence others". There's a big difference between the two motivations.

Another fact to notice. Note that I rarely if ever, start a new thread/topic. But Michael Barry starts more threads in this community than ANYONE ELSE. And his threads/topics always 100% slam the hair transplant industry. Those are facts people. But again the million dollar question is WHY? It's because he's got a motivated agenda and he can't fool the veteran's in the other forums and he knows it, so he brings it here. IT'S POISON.

Another fact about Michael Barry. Notice he slams ISHRS docotrs in general terms. Note he does not name any of the reputable established docs like the ones who support me. WHY? Because he knows these physicians are hard working, talented men with the best interest of their patients in mind. You guys know who these docs are and do you think for one minute they would afffiliate themselves with ANYONE with wrong ethics?

But that leads to the next fact. Michael Barry endlessly falsely accuses me of being a money motivated salesperson. BUT NOTE that he cannot give you EVEN ONE example of me trying to sell anyone anything. He can't even name one specific post of mine from any forum that was not done in the spirit of helping others. And many of you here know that I have helped or assisted you extensively without ever charging a thing for ANY of my support as an advocate. Not even one example Michael. But you know Michael, you and the other radicals ALWAYS fall back on just blatently attempting to try and persuade others "in general terms" that I'm in this for the money when I don't even pay myself a salary!

Take particular note who provides the"whole picture". Anyone who is one-sided and does not present "both" the benefits and risks, that person is deliberately trying to influence you away from something. That's exactly what Michael Barry and the other radicals do. They start threads under the disguise of giving some informative material but their entire thread is lined with connotations and underlying persuasions for you to not get a hair transplant. That way, if he can convince any less informed people against hair transplants, then he feels he wins because he "took potential income away from the hair transplant docs out there". He thinks he's destroying the hair transplant field but one thing he can never deny these good docs, is their fantastic results and the success stories he could never have for himself. That's what he's all about but he does not want you to know that. Read his very last comments on his last post again and ask yourself if he has an anger motivated agenda. Take a look at the other forums, you'll start seeing more Michaels with the identical behaviour. There's a few others here too.

 

[carter]

Hi gillenator

I've only seen you try and help and encourage others on here - it's great that you're prepared to spend the time on the boards.