Propecia and Muscle Growth

[callkw]

My hair has recently started thinning, and I am thinking about using Propecia. From what I understand, Propecia prevents testosterone from converting to DHT. Will this hinder my ability to gain muscle mass?

 

[Jeff71913]

I have been taking Propecia for nearly one year now and I was a bit concerned about that too since I drive a truck and have to do a lot of heavy lifting, however it has made no difference at all. My upper arm still measures the same and everything. My Doctor told me that my testerone level would probably increase while the DHT would decrease. It looks like he was right. The only problem that I experienced was the inability to get an erection and that lasted for about 1 month. After about a month I had no problem in that area and in fact my sex drive seems to have increased a little bit.

 

[powerchords]

in the last 2 months on propecia i've gained 5lbs of muscle & put 30lbs on my bench press. energy is threw the roof !!
My training partner keeps asking me what im taking. i tell him its a secret

LOL

 

[jeffsss]

in the anobolic steriod world it's called free floating test.

it's not a good thing b/c people who have an abundance of test in their system are canidates for gyno..

 

[callkw]

I understand that you will have more testosterone in your system, however you will have less DHT. Doesn't DHT play a role in muscle development?

 

[SE-freak]

I am finishing my thesis and no time for workouts.

I am getting bigger.

 

[SE-freak]

I understand that you will have more testosterone in your system, however you will have less DHT. Doesn't DHT play a role in muscle development?

The regulating androgen in muscle tissue is T.

 

[sl]

I understand that you will have more testosterone in your system, however you will have less DHT. Doesn't DHT play a role in muscle development?

I think DHT will help with strength gains. Decrease in amounts of DHt may mean less strength?

 

[joseph49853]

Taking Finasteride will drastically reduce DHT levels, slightly increase testosterone levels, and yes possibly increase estrogen levels. So it's very possible for this to correlate into an increase in muscle mass, as well as the dreaded fatty tissue deposits. Again, it's also possible for these factors to cancel one another out, through homeostasis, and everything remain static.

For me, I also noticed an increase in strength and endurance, and an noticeable increase in weight and muscle mass. I also had an increase in appetite, and found myself less aggressive. Although, everyone's experience will be different.

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

man thats a load of crap ,you wish it increased testosterone ..it only lowers dht ,it doesnt add strength it doesnt increase testosterone and it doesnt increase muscle mass ,all it does is increase hair while f***** everything else up in my opinion

 

[SE-freak]

man thats a load of crap...in my opinion

That was a harsh statement in case you weren't sure.

 

[callkw]

I'm not an expert, but I have read that it indirectly increases testosterone levels bc now less test in converted into DHT resulting in more free roaming test. My main concern is if this process will hinder muscle development.

 

[joseph49853]

man thats a load of crap ,you wish it increased testosterone ..it only lowers dht ,it doesnt add strength it doesnt increase testosterone and it doesnt increase muscle mass ,all it does is increase hair while f***** everything else up in my opinion

If you'll notice, I didn't write in a very definitive manner. These were my observations over a period of three straight years taking Finasteride.

For instance, I've always weighed *precisely* the same amount, since around sixteen years of age. I have also always had a super high metabolism. Yet, while taking Finasteride, I've gained 15 pounds with a slight increase in body fat percentage -- according to my scale. And now suddenly, I'm able to make gains, and push out reps far past exhaustion in areas that were previously personal bests. And since I've been working out religiously since a teen, this gives me an extra large reservoir of data from which to extrapolate. Coincidence? who knows? I've also never been one to body build for mass, merely for tone, strength, athleticism, and symmetry.

Perhaps I have just been lucky, and experienced minimal negative side-effects, and maximal hair maintenance with a fair amount of regrowth. Although, I have already stated in previous posts how I had noticeable gynecomastia or estrogen-related side-effects, which disappeared upon reducing my dosage.

But if you have discovered a major medical study concerning Finasteride's affect on muscle building, or other health concerns, I'm more than interested in reading the information. Or if you want to state a contrary opinion to mine in an intelligent and coherent manner, feel free. I'm certainly not trying to sell this stuff to anyone. I'm merely trying to figure out hair loss, my own body, and how Finasteride fits into the equation.

 

[tpeter]

man thats a load of crap ,you wish it increased testosterone ..it only lowers dht ,it doesnt add strength it doesnt increase testosterone and it doesnt increase muscle mass ,all it does is increase hair while f***** everything else up in my opinion

If you'll notice, I didn't write in a very definitive manner. These were my observations over a period of three straight years taking Finasteride.

For instance, I've always weighed *precisely* the same amount, since around sixteen years of age. I have also always had a super high metabolism. Yet, while taking Finasteride, I've gained 15 pounds with a slight increase in body fat percentage -- according to my scale. And now suddenly, I'm able to make gains, and push out reps far past exhaustion in areas that were previously personal bests. And since I've been working out religiously since a teen, this gives me an extra large reservoir of data from which to extrapolate. Coincidence? who knows? I've also never been one to body build for mass, merely for tone, strength, athleticism, and symmetry.

Perhaps I have just been lucky, and experienced minimal negative side-effects, and maximal hair maintenance with a fair amount of regrowth. Although, I have already stated in previous posts how I had noticeable gynecomastia or estrogen-related side-effects, which disappeared upon reducing my dosage.

But if you have discovered a major medical study concerning Finasteride's affect on muscle building, or other health concerns, I'm more than interested in reading the information. Or if you want to state a contrary opinion to mine in an intelligent and coherent manner, feel free. I'm certainly not trying to sell this stuff to anyone. I'm merely trying to figure out hair loss, my own body, and how Finasteride fits into the equation.

what did you reduce your dose to, to get lower estrogen?

I just quit fina because my estrogen has been through the roof for the last 5 years.

I work out religously and have been a hard gainer while on this stuff, i am thinking the higher estrogen is the cause.


For everyone else.

Remember while Fina increases test, that most likely will aromatize to estrogen which counters all that benefits of increased testosterone and brings upon side effects like, Low sex drive, foggy thinking, and god forbid gyno.

 

[joseph49853]

I lowered my dosage to .25mg over the past year, and have maintained around 90 percent efficacy. I think everyone needs to find the dosage that maintains the maximum amount of hair, while minimizing the side-effects.

And I believe you're correct in that over time excess testosterone begins to become converted into estrogen, which is indeed a scary prospect.

 

[tpeter]

I lowered my dosage to .25mg over the past year, and have maintained around 90 percent efficacy. I think everyone needs to find the dosage that maintains the maximum amount of hair, while minimizing the side-effects.

And I believe you're correct in that over time excess testosterone begins to become converted into estrogen, which is indeed a scary prospect.

Yea your right and what some people dont realize is that the testosterone that increases is total testosterone not free testosterone which is more important.

 

[mogadon]

dht is important for muscle than people think, thats why alot of steroids are based on them,dht is very important for a man, lowering it will often cause problems,the only thing it will help with is hairloss

if you think you have gained strenght on propecia (as if) its mainly because you have got fatter, through increased estrogen, and therefore have more weight to push the weight with.

taking propecia will eventually over years make you fatter or less cut,(dht steroids are known for making you hard and dry) make your dick shrivel, trough lack of use,eventually kill your libido,but yes you may have hair for a few more years.

well f**k that im coming off it.

gonna stick with all the topicals, least there's no trade off if you do that.

 

[Endo.Crono.Logic]

Testosterone is better for quality muscle mass, while dht is used (rarely) as a hardening agent in bodybuidling. Serum T will increaase W/Propecia, but can be converted to other hormones (Estrogen!!). Many steroids ARE DHT derivatives, and convert readily back into DHT, but DHT is thought to be less effective at building quality muscle than *regular* T esters.

Using an Anti-E and Propecia for only 4 WEEKS this time around, my strength is increasing, my water retention is lower, and I'm putting on hard mass. Hormones are all balance, and I *believe* that by utilizing balanced anti-estrogens and propecia can keep T where you want it (In your dick and muscles!) and keep it from converting into the dreaded DHT or E.

You will gain more WEIGHT if you leave estrogen in your system, but it will be water and fat.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT - Anecdotal evidence shows that the STEROID Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate) will GROW hair. The logic is that it suppresses T to castrate levels over time (Been researched as male birth control) and BELIEVE IT OR NOT, 5AR converts deca to HARMLESS metabolites in the scalp. Yes, the dreaded 5AR is a FRIEND in this case. HOWEVER, Finasteride will block the conversion, in which case DECA will DESTROY the hairline. Deca+Propecia = COMPLETELY BALD. Scary thing - Deca is probably WORSE on the "Little Friend" than propecia is. Google "Deca Dick" if interested. Dick or hair. Dick or hair?

 

[mogadon]

yes dht is mainly a cutting agent,winstrol ect, i might have to try that anti e option before i quit, cos my hormones are all out of sink,my dick aint working,and the extra test ait doing sh&t,

trouble is you cant use a anti e forever cos u suppose to only stay on them for so long, cos they cause side effects i gather.

 

[Endo.Crono.Logic]

Haha. Sorry about the dick. The shed and the limp noodle. Geez, the things we tolerate for vanity and sexual prowess. I want chicks to want to f*** me, even if I can't follow through with the act. We're all retarded!

The ace in the hole is good ol cialis. I get it from the "China Man." A half of one of those gets me so hard that I've gotten burst blood vessels. Be prepare to tell her "No, It's not herpes."

(You're welcome for the visual!)