Proscar or dutasteride??
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ANDREW_J_I
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put some pictures up mate
Aplunk1
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Avodart (dutasteride), although exensively metabolized in the liver, is unlikely to cause any physical or mental complications... there are no indications that it might cause any side effects other than a RARE chance of sexual side effects: decreased libido, impotence, gynocomastia.
It's safe.
It's safe.
powersam
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sexual side effects from dutasteride are around the 5% mark. you wouldnt call that rare stax?
as to safety, we know its safe in the short term. as to long term time will tell. the same can be said for any number of drugs, ie/ all drugs produced in the last 10 years.
and what exactly do you mean by this "There is no biological model for what dutasteride does"
as to safety, we know its safe in the short term. as to long term time will tell. the same can be said for any number of drugs, ie/ all drugs produced in the last 10 years.
and what exactly do you mean by this "There is no biological model for what dutasteride does"
stax
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Yeah, 5% my *** buddy! Just like 2% of people on Propecia experience sexual side effects right? More like 30% or higher.
What i mean by biological model is that there are people in the republic who were born without the ability to produce type 2 5ar. Dutasteride cuts off more than half of type 1 and nobody is born like this. So that means there is no biological model for what Dutasteride does, no telling what will happen in the long run. Not to mention the fact that dutasteride can f*** with your liver and its a fact that people got blood tests and noticed there liver values were too high because off dutasteride, and when they quit they returned back to normal. Im not saying its "so" dangerous but its definetly not safe and to tell people that it is, is f*****g retarded.
What i mean by biological model is that there are people in the republic who were born without the ability to produce type 2 5ar. Dutasteride cuts off more than half of type 1 and nobody is born like this. So that means there is no biological model for what Dutasteride does, no telling what will happen in the long run. Not to mention the fact that dutasteride can f*** with your liver and its a fact that people got blood tests and noticed there liver values were too high because off dutasteride, and when they quit they returned back to normal. Im not saying its "so" dangerous but its definetly not safe and to tell people that it is, is f*****g retarded.
Barry_Blue
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stax said:
Prove it.
Aplunk1
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I can easily prove that Avodart's side effects are less than 5%.
All I have to do is look up the FDA studies on it.
Avodart is safe, and used by an innumerable amount of people around the globe, whether it be for BPH or Androgenetic Alopecia.
It's certainly helped me, and I'm going to stick with my belief that Avodart is the single best internal treatment for the treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia.
Assuming that dutasteride is "unsafe" is nothing but fearmongering.
All I have to do is look up the FDA studies on it.
Avodart is safe, and used by an innumerable amount of people around the globe, whether it be for BPH or Androgenetic Alopecia.
It's certainly helped me, and I'm going to stick with my belief that Avodart is the single best internal treatment for the treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia.
Assuming that dutasteride is "unsafe" is nothing but fearmongering.
stax
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Barry_Blue, take a read around the boards! TONS of people experienced sexual side effects including me. Ive even read Dr.Lee and other Doctors say that its more like 30%.
Aplunk1, take a read around also! You cant prove sh*t. Just like vioxx right? That was proven to be safe by the FDA too right? Yeah, after it KILLED PEOPLE!!!!!. FDA blah blah blah. The wonderfull FDA entails nothing but the truth right? Take your magical Dutasteride and get back to me in 10 years bud. Just dont tell newbies thats its safe when its not. Dr.Lee will prescribe Finesterode, but ask him about Dutasteride. Actually, here a reply i got from Dr.Lee when i asked him about Dutasteride.
I wrote: Im interested in Trying that combo at night but i dont want that skunky smell like i mentioned i had before. On another note do you really think that Avodart could cause some sort of estrogen related cancer or brain problems in the long term?
Dr.Lee wrote: I have no information available to make such a speculation. But if I haven't already, I'll say it now, I advise you not to use Avodart. Read the following:
Hi Dr. Lee,
Another quick ?? I know you don't support Dutasteride so I'm not going to bother you with an opinion. Have you heard of any freaky side-effects?
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Max:
In fact, yes. I'm copying a message I had received last year:
Dear Dr. Lee,
Earlier this year, you wrote me a script for Proscar - a drug I've been using for years with no side effects. I received the script but did not fill it because I received a script for Avodart the following month. Exciting about trying the much-discussed drug, I opted to put the Proscar on hold and roll the dice with dutasteride. 6 months later, here are my results: I've noticed absolutely no regrowth. In fact, my hair seems to have continued its thinning/recession. I am also suffering from some body fat gain due to the massive suppression of DHT. Dutasteride is a potent drug and suppressing that much DHT can certainly lead to Lean Body Mass (LBM) issues, ie, female-pattern fat distribution/gain due to an increase estrogen levels. I've gained so much fat on my waist (despite being very active and eating a low-fat diet) that I've had to loosen my belt a notch or two. In addition, some users have been complaining of "fuzzy moments" - referring to some occasional mental forgetfulness. I believe this has happened to me since initiating therapy. Sometimes I find myself forgetting things, simple things - and it is alarming me.
I should also mention that dutasteride also greatly diminished my sex drive. I am a mid-20's male in good physical shape whose sex drive was fine until I commenced dutasteride therapy. I lost interest in sex after a few months on the drug. This is just another reason I'm moving forward with the cessation of therapy.
In short, I am discontinuing the dutasteride immediately and going back to Proscar. Can you please write me another script for Proscar? I have the one you wrote me back in February, but I think any pharmacist will eye it suspiciously due to the time that has elapsed since you wrote it for me. I would truly appreciate if you could write another one...Dutasteride was very disappointing, and I am not going to risk another 6 months on this drug b/c I am not responding well to it. The fat gain in my waist is both unsightly and uncomfortable. This drug is not as benign as finasteride and people need to be made aware of that.
Aplunk1, take a read around also! You cant prove sh*t. Just like vioxx right? That was proven to be safe by the FDA too right? Yeah, after it KILLED PEOPLE!!!!!. FDA blah blah blah. The wonderfull FDA entails nothing but the truth right? Take your magical Dutasteride and get back to me in 10 years bud. Just dont tell newbies thats its safe when its not. Dr.Lee will prescribe Finesterode, but ask him about Dutasteride. Actually, here a reply i got from Dr.Lee when i asked him about Dutasteride.
I wrote: Im interested in Trying that combo at night but i dont want that skunky smell like i mentioned i had before. On another note do you really think that Avodart could cause some sort of estrogen related cancer or brain problems in the long term?
Dr.Lee wrote: I have no information available to make such a speculation. But if I haven't already, I'll say it now, I advise you not to use Avodart. Read the following:
Hi Dr. Lee,
Another quick ?? I know you don't support Dutasteride so I'm not going to bother you with an opinion. Have you heard of any freaky side-effects?
-m
Max:
In fact, yes. I'm copying a message I had received last year:
Dear Dr. Lee,
Earlier this year, you wrote me a script for Proscar - a drug I've been using for years with no side effects. I received the script but did not fill it because I received a script for Avodart the following month. Exciting about trying the much-discussed drug, I opted to put the Proscar on hold and roll the dice with dutasteride. 6 months later, here are my results: I've noticed absolutely no regrowth. In fact, my hair seems to have continued its thinning/recession. I am also suffering from some body fat gain due to the massive suppression of DHT. Dutasteride is a potent drug and suppressing that much DHT can certainly lead to Lean Body Mass (LBM) issues, ie, female-pattern fat distribution/gain due to an increase estrogen levels. I've gained so much fat on my waist (despite being very active and eating a low-fat diet) that I've had to loosen my belt a notch or two. In addition, some users have been complaining of "fuzzy moments" - referring to some occasional mental forgetfulness. I believe this has happened to me since initiating therapy. Sometimes I find myself forgetting things, simple things - and it is alarming me.
I should also mention that dutasteride also greatly diminished my sex drive. I am a mid-20's male in good physical shape whose sex drive was fine until I commenced dutasteride therapy. I lost interest in sex after a few months on the drug. This is just another reason I'm moving forward with the cessation of therapy.
In short, I am discontinuing the dutasteride immediately and going back to Proscar. Can you please write me another script for Proscar? I have the one you wrote me back in February, but I think any pharmacist will eye it suspiciously due to the time that has elapsed since you wrote it for me. I would truly appreciate if you could write another one...Dutasteride was very disappointing, and I am not going to risk another 6 months on this drug b/c I am not responding well to it. The fat gain in my waist is both unsightly and uncomfortable. This drug is not as benign as finasteride and people need to be made aware of that.
powersam
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stax you are beyond help. it doesnt seem to matter how many times people such as yourself are told that counting posts on these boards does not amount to real figures. there are masses of men out there on propecia who do not post on any boards anywhere, actually the majority of men on propecia will not be posting on these boards. usually the ones who do will be those who are experiencing side effects. you are going on nothing but hearsay, others have facts gathered by an independant research group. you have no leg to stand on and yet you continue with this fear mongering. what exactly is your agenda here?
stax
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GO AHEAD AND TAKE dutasteride AND SEE WHAT MAY HAPPEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW. THATS MY AGENDA HERE. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY POSTS IVE READ HERE ABOUT GUYS ON finasteride OR dutasteride GETTING SEXUAL SIDES!!!! MUCH MORE THAN 3%. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID MAN? I DONT WANT TO NAME CALL BUT f*** YOU MUST BE BLIND.
WERE THE PEOPLE KILLED BY VIOXX HEARSAY TOO??????? I AM BEYOND HELP? HAHA! I REALLY DONT CARE, YOU CAN DEFEND THESE MAGICAL DRUGS THAT PRODUCE NO SIDE EFFECTS (COUGH) ALL YOU WANT BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KEEP THEIR EYES OPEN UNLIKE YOU. IM NOT THE ONE TAKING dutasteride, BUT MY AGENDA IS DONT TELL PEOPLE ITS SAFE BECAUSE ITS NOT. LISTEN TO DR.LEE ON THIS ONE. HE KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN YOU "POWERSAM". MY AGENDA IS TO SAY THAT SIDE EFFECTS ARE NOT RARE ON THESE DRUGS EITHER. LIKE I SAID EVEN DOCTORS SAY THAT MERCK IS NOT ACCURATE ABOUT THERE SIDE EFFECTS PERCENTAGE LISTINGS AND ITS MUCH HIGHER. I THINK THEY WOULD KNOW SINCE THE SEE PATIENTS EVERYDAY.
BOTTOM LINE, WHAT THE FDA SAYS CANT FULLY BE TRUSTED SINCE VIOXX WAS PROVEN TO BE SAFE, SORRY I MEANT PROVEN TO KILL PEOPLE, YEAH. SO THATS MY LEG TO STAND ON AND YOU CANT OVER RULE THAT FACT. JUST LIKE dutasteride ISNT PROVEN TO BE SAFE FOR HAIRLOSS, AND HASNT BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE FOR THE LONGTERM. LONGTERM IS NOT 4 YEARS. LONGTERM IS MORE LIKE 10-20 YEARS. AND THEY TESTED LIKE 60 YEAR OLDS NOT HEALTHY YOUNG MEN.
I DONT THINK finasteride REALLY POSES A BIG THREAT, BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN LONGTERM TO CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON finasteride EXPERIENCE SEXUAL SIDES, GYNO, ECT, THAN WHAT MERCK LISTS, BOTTOM LINE. dutasteride IS A DIFFERENT STORY AND IS NOT SAFE. ON GLAXO"S WEBSITE THEY EVEN STATE NOT TO USE dutasteride FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN, BPH, SO THATS ALL I NEED TO HEAR. IT HASNT BEEN STUDIED FOR THAT LONG TO CALL SAFE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE STUPID TO TAKE ADVISE FROM ANYBODY OTHER THAN A DOCTOR ANYWAYS. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY HERE AND MY MESSAGE WILL BE READ. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
WERE THE PEOPLE KILLED BY VIOXX HEARSAY TOO??????? I AM BEYOND HELP? HAHA! I REALLY DONT CARE, YOU CAN DEFEND THESE MAGICAL DRUGS THAT PRODUCE NO SIDE EFFECTS (COUGH) ALL YOU WANT BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KEEP THEIR EYES OPEN UNLIKE YOU. IM NOT THE ONE TAKING dutasteride, BUT MY AGENDA IS DONT TELL PEOPLE ITS SAFE BECAUSE ITS NOT. LISTEN TO DR.LEE ON THIS ONE. HE KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN YOU "POWERSAM". MY AGENDA IS TO SAY THAT SIDE EFFECTS ARE NOT RARE ON THESE DRUGS EITHER. LIKE I SAID EVEN DOCTORS SAY THAT MERCK IS NOT ACCURATE ABOUT THERE SIDE EFFECTS PERCENTAGE LISTINGS AND ITS MUCH HIGHER. I THINK THEY WOULD KNOW SINCE THE SEE PATIENTS EVERYDAY.
BOTTOM LINE, WHAT THE FDA SAYS CANT FULLY BE TRUSTED SINCE VIOXX WAS PROVEN TO BE SAFE, SORRY I MEANT PROVEN TO KILL PEOPLE, YEAH. SO THATS MY LEG TO STAND ON AND YOU CANT OVER RULE THAT FACT. JUST LIKE dutasteride ISNT PROVEN TO BE SAFE FOR HAIRLOSS, AND HASNT BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE FOR THE LONGTERM. LONGTERM IS NOT 4 YEARS. LONGTERM IS MORE LIKE 10-20 YEARS. AND THEY TESTED LIKE 60 YEAR OLDS NOT HEALTHY YOUNG MEN.
I DONT THINK finasteride REALLY POSES A BIG THREAT, BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN LONGTERM TO CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON finasteride EXPERIENCE SEXUAL SIDES, GYNO, ECT, THAN WHAT MERCK LISTS, BOTTOM LINE. dutasteride IS A DIFFERENT STORY AND IS NOT SAFE. ON GLAXO"S WEBSITE THEY EVEN STATE NOT TO USE dutasteride FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN, BPH, SO THATS ALL I NEED TO HEAR. IT HASNT BEEN STUDIED FOR THAT LONG TO CALL SAFE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE STUPID TO TAKE ADVISE FROM ANYBODY OTHER THAN A DOCTOR ANYWAYS. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY HERE AND MY MESSAGE WILL BE READ. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
I kinda agree with stax here..
who to blame when down the road you find out the dutasteride has done some thing terrible to you and its irreversible ..???
will the supporter of the drug come down and save your sorry ASS…???
So if u still want to try this stuff, than that discussion shouldn’t be made on the basis of FDA trial data nor on the basis of what every one is saying here.. it should be purely your decision and should be ready for consequences ..
who to blame when down the road you find out the dutasteride has done some thing terrible to you and its irreversible ..???
will the supporter of the drug come down and save your sorry ASS…???
So if u still want to try this stuff, than that discussion shouldn’t be made on the basis of FDA trial data nor on the basis of what every one is saying here.. it should be purely your decision and should be ready for consequences ..