Proscar or dutasteride??

[powersam]

felk - word to your mother my brother. although i have to admit i'm up more for the tennis that the football. as if safin didnt make it. everyone who knows tennis knows he's the best there is.

 

[stax]

No answer Powersam? I thought so.

 

[Aplunk1]

Not to continue this topic any further, I just thought I'd add this...


Stax, no offense, my friend, you WERE one of my favorite posters.

You are indeed putting words in my mouth. When you quote me, you completely change my words around...

For that matter,

please find a thread and a direct quote suggesting that I "recommend dutasteride like it's candy."

I've always said that, if someone is going to jump ship, that they should do it under the supervision of a doctor.

Unfortunately, Stax, I'm going to trust my doctor over you. So should these readers.

Anything you write is hardly discernable and vocal in your attemps to downgrade other posters.

Try some proper grammar, a consistent topic and approach to your writing, and a stop to the personal insults.

 

[stax]

I'm waiting for Powersam to answer the questions.


And.... this isnt a f*****g high school exam buddy. This is YOUR life here, not mine.

 

[Aplunk1]

Okay, main question.



How can you call Dutasteride safe when:


1. It hasnt been FDA approved for hairloss

2. There are no studies showing what inhibiting type 1 5AR in the brain might do longterm. Im talking 10-15 years of studies and backgrounds like Finesteride. There is a biological model in humans for finesteride's action, but not Dutasterides. There might be unknown neuroligcal complications due to inhibiting type 1 5AR in the brain considering type 1 5AR prevents neurological toxicity by catabolism of neurotoxic steriods, and so forth.


3. over 50% of the drug's metabolites couldnt be accounted for in the body, like in urine, feces,ect. Where the heck does that 50% go?

1) You're right. It's not approved for hairloss. But, it's approved by the FDA to be safe for treating BPH, the same condition that Propecia, in higher doses, commonly prescribed as Proscar, is. The two drugs are "cousins" in a sense that they have similar mechanisms of action. Dutasteride has consistently been used by thousands, if not millions, of people around the world for treating their hairloss. Avodart, since its unveiling in late 2001, early 2002, has not accounted for any deaths, mental "complications," or any other conditions, except, of course, the side effects that come with the medicine and those who are allergic to the drug.

2) This is pure speculation, Stax. There's just no answer to this, although we DO know that Avodart has been proven safe in a 4-year study. All indications seem to show that Avodart will continue to be safe going on 10 years, yes?

3) Wow. Way to misconstrue figures. I believe your "over 50%" is somewhere around 40%.

Although we cannot prove that the mechanism of dutasteride to be safe, (type 1), we have substantial evidence showing that, in practice, it is.

Here's a crapload of studies done, showing that dutasteride has been proven safe within the many years it's been on the market:

http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... tudies.htm

Yes, some of the studies go as far as to say that these men are "healthy," countering your notion that the only men tested were not "healthy."

In my own conclusion, at the end of the day, dutasteride has NOT been proven to be NOT safe... but it has been proven to be safe, over and over again, in multiple studies, and large FDA clinical trials.

Use at your own risk, with supervision of a doctor.

Stax, the users are aware that you yourself take dutasteride, despite all of these large, terminal risks you suggest.

 

[stax]

Anybody else here care to chime in?


Aplunk seems ot think that Dutasteride is safe for longterm use even though there were never studies done showing the effects of inhibiting type 1 5AR in the brain longterm. This UNKNOWN, and unknown isnt safe. Its not pure speculation because if you read, you would read what role type 1 5AR plays in CNS. 4 years of background is not nearly enough to be called safe. We need specific stuides done showing the effects of inhibiting 5AR 1 in the brain. Untill this is done, it isnt safe to say its "safe". What dont you understand about that?


Again, anybody else care to chime in?

 

[Felk]

Stax, i think this was probably about your last post... how is your hair going?

In relation to the discussion in the previous threads (heated, yes) there were still a few things that bothered me which stax posted.

Would the only reason Dr Lee not prescribe dutasteride at all be because it's not approved for hair loss? I think it probably must be, if the only reasons he gives are a few user experiences.

The 5AR1 in the brain issue - hopefully this wouldn't be an issue if one only takes dutasteride twice a week.

The progesterone dominance theory stax posted, and stax saying it would be a good idea for finasteride/dutasteride users to supplement with natural progesterone cream. Isnt progesterone cream a topical drug? And correct me if i'm wrong all ye more knowledgeable posters, but i thought progesterone was a DHT inhibitor itself... ? It's added to versions of minoxidil for this reason.

Finally, i don't see why the user who Dr Lee posted would have gained body fat on the belly, as dutasteride users have very high testosterone levels don't they? Stax stated he experienced fatty tissue on his chest and a bump behind his nipple, but surely this would be gyno and not weight gain.

 

[Felk]

Anyone else feel like chiming in and discussing (or refuting ) what i was saying?

 

[Dinzy]

Stax, i think this was probably about your last post... how is your hair going?

In relation to the discussion in the previous threads (heated, yes) there were still a few things that bothered me which stax posted.

Would the only reason Dr Lee not prescribe dutasteride at all be because it's not approved for hair loss? I think it probably must be, if the only reasons he gives are a few user experiences.

The 5AR1 in the brain issue - hopefully this wouldn't be an issue if one only takes dutasteride twice a week.

The progesterone dominance theory stax posted, and stax saying it would be a good idea for finasteride/dutasteride users to supplement with natural progesterone cream. Isnt progesterone cream a topical drug? And correct me if i'm wrong all ye more knowledgeable posters, but i thought progesterone was a DHT inhibitor itself... ? It's added to versions of minoxidil for this reason.

Finally, i don't see why the user who Dr Lee posted would have gained body fat on the belly, as dutasteride users have very high testosterone levels don't they? Stax stated he experienced fatty tissue on his chest and a bump behind his nipple, but surely this would be gyno and not weight gain.

All I can say is that DR Lee is not to be trusted. The guy profits by selling minoxidil at ridiculously high prices. I have seen him advise people to get off of finasteride and buy his minoxidil over and over again. Don't listen to the opinion of someone who has a financial interest in what he is opining about.

 

[Guest]

Stax, i think this was probably about your last post... how is your hair going?

In relation to the discussion in the previous threads (heated, yes) there were still a few things that bothered me which stax posted.

Would the only reason Dr Lee not prescribe dutasteride at all be because it's not approved for hair loss? I think it probably must be, if the only reasons he gives are a few user experiences.

The 5AR1 in the brain issue - hopefully this wouldn't be an issue if one only takes dutasteride twice a week.

The progesterone dominance theory stax posted, and stax saying it would be a good idea for finasteride/dutasteride users to supplement with natural progesterone cream. Isnt progesterone cream a topical drug? And correct me if i'm wrong all ye more knowledgeable posters, but i thought progesterone was a DHT inhibitor itself... ? It's added to versions of minoxidil for this reason.

Finally, i don't see why the user who Dr Lee posted would have gained body fat on the belly, as dutasteride users have very high testosterone levels don't they? Stax stated he experienced fatty tissue on his chest and a bump behind his nipple, but surely this would be gyno and not weight gain.

All I can say is that DR Lee is not to be trusted. The guy profits by selling minoxidil at ridiculously high prices. I have seen him advise people to get off of finasteride and buy his minoxidil over and over again. Don't listen to the opinion of someone who has a financial interest in what he is opining about.

he told me there was no reason for me to take finasteride if I bought his minoxidil with azelaic acid because azelaic acid would block 98% of DHT. I am skeptical and so are people on here.