Proxiphen-N and Proxiphen Questions !?

[VeryTired]

I was wondering..

1. Does the four months supply of Proxiphen-N include a twice a day use of the product? Do I need to use it twice a day to obtain maximum results? Does it change after a year or so?

2. If I'm using minoxidil now, can I quit it right away and use Proxiphen-N instead without ruining what I've obtained so far? If not, how can I convert the use of minoxidil to the use of Proxiphen-N?

3. Does Proxiphen-N have any ingredients that inhibits DHT where applied?

4. How long before I could wash Proxiphen-N or Proxiphen off my scalp?

5. Does Proxiphen-N dry fast? is it greasy? Is it visible? Does it ruin the way the hair looks at the time? How is it?

6. If I'll be using the Proxiphen cream on only the right side of my front hairline which is receeding just barely, for how long could the cream last? how much does it take before seeing any results?

Thank you. :hairy:

 

[michael barry]

1). On the bottle, it says use "once or twice" a day. If you have an old minoxidil dropper that has 1ml measured off for you, you might fill it up each time you use prox-n to make sure youre getting an even dosage.

2)According to hairloss-research.org, the prydine-n-oxides in Proctor's products might be the one thing that can keep you from losing hair minoxidil has helped you keep. I dont know if thats so or not, but I will say this: minoxidil is 6 bucks a month and it works. You can even buy a minoxidil shampoo at lipoxidil (for 30 a month or so). I'd keep using it. Proctor has told me its OK to apply them together, but some feel a biproduct called peroxynitrite might be formed. 30 minutes apart should be OK.

3)Prox-n has no anti-androgens according to proctor. Copper ions in copper peptides inhibit 50% of type 1 alpha five reductase if concentrated enough. Prox-N works by trying to counteract the immuno damage on the follicle and the close surrounding area. It CAN be applied with spironolactone twice a day to cut down on androgen transcription.

4)Ive used prox-n and its pretty pleasant smelling stuff. I dont think youd want to wash it off. Proxiphen is so damn expensive at 100 a month, I wouldn't f*****g risk washing it off. 5) Prox-N dries pretty fast, its not greasy, doesnt ruin the way hair looks. Id compare it topically in terms of "feel" with tricomin. Which is pretty good.

5. Basically proxiphen is sprio+prox-n+minoxidil (which you can do alone) along with TEMBO and phenytoin (a epileptic drug that grows hair for some strange reason).

If I were you my friend, Id do prox-n, Walmart minoxidil, genhair spironolactone, and genhair proscar cut into fifths and save about 50 bucks a month AND inhibit 90% of your type 2 alpha five reductase.

I promise you this....................you should keep what you have on that regimine described above. Especially if you'd use nizoral twice a week and NANO shampoo about twice a week too. Have a nice low glycemic index diet and perhaps drink a little soy milk and green tea and you should feel good about keeping what you have up there for a good decade in my opinion (then we should have much better things for sure).

 

[VeryTired]

If I'll be using the four months supply of Prox-N Proctor is selling twice a day, 1ml each application, will it suffice for four months or does that only apply to a once a day use?

You suggest using Prox-N on top of minoxidil? I thought about replacing minoxidil with prox-n and not use it as an addon to my regimen, wouldn't that be a good idea? isn't it better than minoxidil?

Thank you for answering.

 

[VeryTired]

Up ^ :shock:

 

[global]

1 bottle of Prox-N is 60ml (2 month supply) i.e. 30ml for a month supply.

So if you want to apply 1ml 2x a day it wont last for 2 months.

 

[Bryan]

1 bottle of Prox-N is 60ml (2 month supply) i.e. 30ml for a month supply.

So if you want to apply 1ml 2x a day it wont last for 2 months.

Use the recommended dose, of course, not 1 mL 2x a day. That's excessive.

Bryan

 

[michael barry]

Global and Bryan,


1 bottle of Prox-N is 60ml (2 month supply) i.e. 30ml for a month supply.

So if you want to apply 1ml 2x a day it wont last for 2 months


I honestly did not know the above. Proctor considers 1 ml a day enough...............thats fine with me. But I have to be honest, It would be hard to apply half a millilter all over the potential male pattern baldness area in my opinion without missing some spots. If this dosage is effective though..............I'd consider it more of a bargain.



Bryan, what do you think man, 0.5 ml twice a day or 1 ml once a day? Whats most effective in your opinion?

 

[Bryan]

Bryan, what do you think man, 0.5 ml twice a day or 1 ml once a day? Whats most effective in your opinion?

Oh, I'd have to vote for a smaller amount twice a day, rather than a larger amount once a day. However, I'd still probably consider 1 mL/day to be just a bit excessive, whether you divide it up or not. Why don't people just use it the way that Dr. Proctor recommends? The label says "8-10 drops, once or twice a day". Although the exact size of a "drop" is obviously in some doubt, I think "8-10 drops" is more like 1/4 milliliter. When I count the number of "drops" that I can squeeze-out from 1 mL of Rogaine using the supplied dropper, I count 33 drops. I get that rather consistently.

I should also mention here that when I was using Prox-N exclusively during that 2-year period documented by my before-and-after photos, I was in fact using it at that modest rate: 8-10 drops or so, generally twice a day. The bottle lasted me a reasonable length of time. I wasn't using it up very quickly.

Bryan

 

[VeryTired]

Well how much should I use twice a day if I want it to cover the whole area from my front hairline to my crown? For how long should/would it last?
I do have a 1ml dropper and I really want to try and be accurate.

Also, can I just replace the use of minoxidil with Prox-N?

Thank you.

 

[Goingat20]

use .5ml twice a day, it very concentrated so it will spread out. It works in a diff way then minoxidil so u cant replace minoxidil for it. Just use it along qith minoxidil

 

[beaner]

I agree....I would not take the chance that proxiphen can successfully take the place of minoxidil in keeping minoxidil dependent hairs from shedding. So unless you've only been using minoxidil for a relatively short period of time I wouldnt replace it with proxiphen.

 

[VeryTired]

According to Bryan, 1ml a day is a bit excessive.. If so then how much would be just right in order to cover the whole area from my front hairline to my crown? for how long should/would the solution last if I use that amount every day?

Right now I still have a head full of hair and I don't want to add Prox-N on top of minoxidil for the sake of comfort.. the reason I want to replace minoxidil with prox-n is because I know minoxidil should work for so long and afterwards the hairs would fall off and I'll look like if I never used anything.. Prox-N though works in a similar way minoxidil does in some areas (stimulates the folicies) and has many more addons and can be used for years and years like Bryan uses it..
What if I was to replace minoxidil with Prox-N?

 

[Bryan]

Well, if you already have a head full of hair, that seems like even more reason not to go overboard and dump Prox-N onto it in large amounts. Why not just stick to 1/2 mL per day, and spread it out thinly across your crown? That way, a 60 mL bottle should last you 4 months. You can always increase the dose later, if you really feel you need to.

People need to understand that Dr. Proctor just isn't into this business of slopping huge amounts of product all over the scalp, like many guys here probably like to do! :wink: His recommended doses are much more modest. Think about it a little: "8-10 drops, once or twice a day" just ain't very much!

Bryan

 

[VeryTired]

Well, if you already have a head full of hair, that seems like even more reason not to go overboard and dump Prox-N onto it in large amounts. Why not just stick to 1/2 mL per day, and spread it out thinly across your crown? That way, a 60 mL bottle should last you 4 months. You can always increase the dose later, if you really feel you need to.

People need to understand that Dr. Proctor just isn't into this business of slopping huge amounts of product all over the scalp, like many guys here probably like to do! :wink: His recommended doses are much more modest. Think about it a little: "8-10 drops, once or twice a day" just ain't very much!

Bryan

Bryan,
what do you think about replacing minoxidil with prox-n according to what I mentioned in a previous reply?

Thanks.

 

[Bryan]

Well, in general, I think that Prox-N is a better product to use than minoxidil. Nevertheless, you _may_ have a little minoxidil-dependent hair which you might lose if you discontinue it. Just keep that in mind.

Bryan

 

[VeryTired]

Well, in general, I think that Prox-N is a better product to use than minoxidil. Nevertheless, you _may_ have a little minoxidil-dependent hair which you might lose if you discontinue it. Just keep that in mind.

Bryan

So how should I convert it to Prox-N, should I continue using minoxidil with Prox-N and slowly discontinue the use of minoxidil?
What you're saying is that it doesn't matter what I use, the hairs I regrew with minoxidil will fall off like I never used anything as soon as minoxidil stops working for me or if I stop using it for another product? Even if I use some kind of anti DHT product like spironolactone or propecia? Are those hairs doomed either way? :shock:

 

[JWM]

OR....

You could save ALOT more money and order the lef.org version of Prox-N. It is supposedly a 'lite' version, however Dr. P himself says that it might actually end up being a better value than his PRox-N when factoring in cost and ingredients present in the formula.

BTW, I would NOT give up minoxidil for Prox-N. Use them both together.

We must also remember that while Bryan should be commended for posting his pictures and results, he began using Prox-N in his 40's and his hairloss was nowhere near as aggressive as a young man losing hair in his early 20's. Think of Prox-N as an adjunct treatment to the Big 3. Just my opinion.

 

[VeryTired]

Up^

I really need that answer :?

 

[CCS]

Tired,
Everyone keeps telling you to stay on minoxidil, and you keep asking if you can replace it. It seems like you have your mind made up and just want someone to give you final permission. If minoxidil were not needed, then why do you think Dr Proctor puts it in his $100 proxiphen? Surely the other ingredients are enough. The answer is that even though the ingredients are very good, you really need to attack hair loss from as many angles as possible if you want to save your hair at 20. Guys thining in their 30's have a less agressive condition.

If minoxidil lowers your quality of life that much, then take your chances. But I must point out that it works on the whole head, wherever it is applied, and not just on the crown, and that 75% of the amount that is absorbed in 4 hours is absorbed in 2 hours, and that you don't have to leave it in and miss pool parties. You can always just wash it out before your girlfriend puts her fingers in your hair, and you can put back in later. Ninoxidil once a day is better than none, but twice a day is the best. Just get in the habbit and it will be easier than shaving.

 

[CCS]

There seems to be a huge missunderstanding floating around here about "dependent hairs." male pattern baldness is a progressive condition. Genetics and possibly the degree of baldness determine how sensitive your hair is to DHT. While sensitivity can stay constant for years, it continues to go up over time. If your follicles were as sensitive today as they will be in 10 years, your hair would die off in a few months. From the graphs I've seen, finasteride does not cause sensitivity. Rather, it keeps sensitive follicles alive by lowering DHT below the sensitivity threshhold. The initial regrowth you see is all the hairs that can grow at 1/3 the previous DHT level, but not at the previous DHT level. This happens fast, in less than 1/3 of a hair life cycle's time. Once they grown in, the gradual thinning that occurs is from hairs whose sensitivity is near the threshhold becoming more sensitve with genetics and age, so that they don't survive even in the reduced DHT environment. The reason you see such a fast shed after coming off finasteride or minoxidil is because that is how many hairs were being protected by these drugs, and are now genetically succeptible to the current DHT levels.

And DHT is just one of the factors. Once an auto immune response and other factors are kicked off, even eliminating DHT does not stop all the hairs from dying. Minoxidil and other topicals are needed to fix the process. If they could fix the process fully, probably an absence of DHT would prevent further hairs from being lost. But it is possible that DHT is not the only factor that gets the snow ball rolling, and even if it were, finasteride does not remove all DHT. That is why these other drugs are needed. Propecia alone works great for people whose hair loss is not as agressive. But anyone lossing it in their teens or early 20's had better get on these other drugs and do it soon.

The beauty of topical spironolactone is it lets us reduce block scalp DHT more, without the systemic side effects that a higher finasteride dose with the same scalp effects might bring. spironolactone is one of the only defenses for people who get side effects from propecia. It is not a replacement for propecia. Although it does about the same thing(but blocks testosterone as well), it is weaker than propecia.