Reducing Estrogen = Increased Test = Hairloss

[follicle84]

I read that you ended up lactating. Does this mean that you got gyno again or did you just end up with another bizzare side effect?

 

[Jake_89]

f*** knows hormone test came back all in normal ranges apart from Test being .9 above normal.

Doctor hasn't called me indicating that the results are OK.

I am still continuing, I think it's all in my head and I've gained quite abit of weight since starting propecia anyway (not propecia related).

ATM .5mg Propecia E2D.

 

[follicle84]

Been doing some research into your problem. Apparently its not that uncommon to have lactating breasts in males. It is usuallly caused by severe emotional and mental stress (in men), but can be influenced by a sudden change in hormones, (usually by meds). Its the constant change in your hormones from dosing that may have influenced this and should subside gradually providing your hormones dont change. Oh by the way sexual gratification can also raise your prolacting levels, which can cause you to lactate. For more information check out these links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperprolactinaemia

 

[follicle84]

Hey have you completelly quit your regimen? I am going to get on the serm tomaxifen so i can increase my dosage from 0.25 to 0.5mg finasteride without the usual side effects. The good thing about this is it wont lower my estrogen levels and will stop me from getting gyno, as it specifically interupts the binding of estrogen at the receptors in your breasts. I'll let you know my results within the next few weeks. I think this is probably a safer alternative to that aromasin you were using.

 

[Petchsky]

This may be completely wrong, and possibly unhelpful, but what about taking up weight lifting? Won't that increase your testosterone....? or does oestrogen always stay level with testosterone? Therefore invalidating my previous statement... :dunno:

 

[Newbaldy84]

I apologize if I kind of get off the topic but this maybe what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for something that with let my body (arms and legs)hair grow. The problem I have is finasteride works wonders for me and not only for hair on my scalp but it knocks out that oily face Ive been struggling since I turned 15 and help with acne. It's a wonder drug if you ask me but...........(why there always needs to be "but" right? I guess that's life) it works opposite when it comes to my body hair. It makes them lifeless laying on the skin. It takes 2 days that I don't take finasteride and my body hair raises and becomes normal looking. Please give me some ideas. Anybody? will counter finasteride "side effects" like the poster that started this thread would work in making my body hair more alive? I thought of these options.
1. Taking finasteride and countering it with something reducing estrogen
2. Taking finasteride and using cream gel with testosterone or dht on my legs and arms (stupid I know)

Come on guys there has to be something that will make that dht that controls body hair be more effective and at the same time will work good on my head.
I hate hormones
please help me balance all this
give me some options and I'll try them
thx


I made an observation that after exercise for 1 hour or more my hair raises which would mean that I would need to lower my estradiol levels cuz that's what exercise does right?

 

[follicle84]

This may be completely wrong, and possibly unhelpful, but what about taking up weight lifting? Won't that increase your testosterone....? or does oestrogen always stay level with testosterone? Therefore invalidating my previous statement... :dunno:

Good question. I have noticed some body builders get gyno so it must be possible.

I apologize if I kind of get off the topic but this maybe what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for something that with let my body (arms and legs)hair grow. The problem I have is finasteride works wonders for me and not only for hair on my scalp but it knocks out that oily face Ive been struggling since I turned 15 and help with acne. It's a wonder drug if you ask me but...........(why there always needs to be "but" right? I guess that's life) it works opposite when it comes to my body hair. It makes them lifeless laying on the skin. It takes 2 days that I don't take finasteride and my body hair raises and becomes normal looking. Please give me some ideas. Anybody? will counter finasteride "side effects" like the poster that started this thread would work in making my body hair more alive? I thought of these options.
1. Taking finasteride and countering it with something reducing estrogen
2. Taking finasteride and using cream gel with testosterone or dht on my legs and arms (stupid I know)

Come on guys there has to be something that will make that dht that controls body hair be more effective and at the same time will work good on my head.
I hate hormones
please help me balance all this
give me some options and I'll try them
thx


I made an observation that after exercise for 1 hour or more my hair raises which would mean that I would need to lower my estradiol levels cuz that's what exercise does right?

I hate to tell you this but i think dht is mainly responsible for some of that body hair. However i think in the case of it being on your arms and legs testosterone plays apart too. An anti estrogen blocker might help a little but then your risking other problems like bone maintenance etc. This is why i am going take a serm to only block some estrogen. You could reduce your dosage to half or quater of finestride, so that enough dht is present in your body to improve your body hair and keep male pattern baldness at bay.

 

[Newbaldy84]

This may be completely wrong, and possibly unhelpful, but what about taking up weight lifting? Won't that increase your testosterone....? or does oestrogen always stay level with testosterone? Therefore invalidating my previous statement... :dunno:

Good question. I have noticed some body builders get gyno so it must be possible.

I apologize if I kind of get off the topic but this maybe what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for something that with let my body (arms and legs)hair grow. The problem I have is finasteride works wonders for me and not only for hair on my scalp but it knocks out that oily face Ive been struggling since I turned 15 and help with acne. It's a wonder drug if you ask me but...........(why there always needs to be "but" right? I guess that's life) it works opposite when it comes to my body hair. It makes them lifeless laying on the skin. It takes 2 days that I don't take finasteride and my body hair raises and becomes normal looking. Please give me some ideas. Anybody? will counter finasteride "side effects" like the poster that started this thread would work in making my body hair more alive? I thought of these options.
1. Taking finasteride and countering it with something reducing estrogen
2. Taking finasteride and using cream gel with testosterone or dht on my legs and arms (stupid I know)

Come on guys there has to be something that will make that dht that controls body hair be more effective and at the same time will work good on my head.
I hate hormones
please help me balance all this
give me some options and I'll try them
thx


I made an observation that after exercise for 1 hour or more my hair raises which would mean that I would need to lower my estradiol levels cuz that's what exercise does right?

I hate to tell you this but i think dht is mainly responsible for some of that body hair. However i think in the case of it being on your arms and legs testosterone plays apart too. An anti estrogen blocker might help a little but then your risking other problems like bone maintenance etc. This is why i am going take a serm to only block some estrogen. You could reduce your dosage to half or quater of finestride, so that enough dht is present in your body to improve your body hair and keep male pattern baldness at bay.

 

[Newbaldy84]

This may be completely wrong, and possibly unhelpful, but what about taking up weight lifting? Won't that increase your testosterone....? or does oestrogen always stay level with testosterone? Therefore invalidating my previous statement... :dunno:

Good question. I have noticed some body builders get gyno so it must be possible.

I apologize if I kind of get off the topic but this maybe what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for something that with let my body (arms and legs)hair grow. The problem I have is finasteride works wonders for me and not only for hair on my scalp but it knocks out that oily face Ive been struggling since I turned 15 and help with acne. It's a wonder drug if you ask me but...........(why there always needs to be "but" right? I guess that's life) it works opposite when it comes to my body hair. It makes them lifeless laying on the skin. It takes 2 days that I don't take finasteride and my body hair raises and becomes normal looking. Please give me some ideas. Anybody? will counter finasteride "side effects" like the poster that started this thread would work in making my body hair more alive? I thought of these options.
1. Taking finasteride and countering it with something reducing estrogen
2. Taking finasteride and using cream gel with testosterone or dht on my legs and arms (stupid I know)

Come on guys there has to be something that will make that dht that controls body hair be more effective and at the same time will work good on my head.
I hate hormones
please help me balance all this
give me some options and I'll try them
thx


I made an observation that after exercise for 1 hour or more my hair raises which would mean that I would need to lower my estradiol levels cuz that's what exercise does right?

I hate to tell you this but i think dht is mainly responsible for some of that body hair. However i think in the case of it being on your arms and legs testosterone plays apart too. An anti estrogen blocker might help a little but then your risking other problems like bone maintenance etc. This is why i am going take a serm to only block some estrogen. You could reduce your dosage to half or quater of finestride, so that enough dht is present in your body to improve your body hair and keep male pattern baldness at bay.

I know DHT is responsible for my hairloss and thick long body hair that's for sure. If I could only find a way to balance all this. I know there must be a way. My hormones are unbalanced. They have always been that way. Beggining from acne body hair oily face hair loss you name it. So I think I have 2 options. try lowering finasteride dosage and see if it will give my body hair life again or take finasteride and counter is with anti estrogen which may help with body hair. Which SERM are you gonna be taking? Femarelle maybe?

 

[follicle84]

My problem is gyno. When ever i take half or more of finasteride i get gyno. I am going to use the serm tomaxifen as it directly blocks etrogen at the receptor site on your breasts to stop breast growth.

I think lowering the dosage of finasteride in your case is probably a better option for you.

 

[Newbaldy84]

what is your opinion about taking these?
Pygeum?
HMR Lignan?

 

[OverMachoGrande]

what is your opinion about taking these?
Pygeum?
HMR Lignan?

My opinion about The Lignans is that it is the most beneficial hairloss remedy along with beta sitosterol. I personally take flax seeds, which are the most concentrated source of lignans, but flax seeds also provide a 3:1 ratio of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids. The reason why I think that lignans are extremely beneficial to hair regrowth, is that lignans are phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens stimulate the production of SHBG, and reduces estradiol levels in men by binding to estrogen recepter beta, inhibiting estradiol's effects. I believe that the reason we produce DHT is to migrate the strong effects of estradiol. Both DHT and estradiol come from "free testosterone". The more SHBG the less "free testosterone" which means less estradiol, which means less DHT. The reason why Propecia's side effects are: decreased libido, loss of sex drive, gyno, etc. is because Propecia only inhibits alpha-5-reductase, not aromatase, which means your testosterone can still convert to estradiol, but can't convert to DHT to "fight off" the estrogenic effects of estradiol. The more estradiol in your body, the larger demand for DHT is required for your body. Lignans increase SHBG, reduce estradiol, and inhibits both alpha-5-reductase and aromatase.

 

[HT55]

what is your opinion about taking these?
Pygeum?
HMR Lignan?

My opinion about The Lignans is that it is the most beneficial hairloss remedy. I personally take flax seeds, which are the most concentrated source of lignans, but flax seeds also provide a 3:1 ratio of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids. The reason why I think that lignans are extremely beneficial to hair regrowth, is that lignans are phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens stimulate the production of SHBG, and reduces estradiol levels in men by binding to estrogen recepter beta, inhibiting estradiol's effects. I believe that the reason we produce DHT is to migrate the strong effects of estradiol. Both DHT and estradiol come from "free testosterone". The more SHBG the less "free testosterone" which means less estradiol, which means less DHT. The reason why Propecia's side effects are: decreased libido, loss of sex drive, gyno, etc. is because Propecia only inhibits alpha-5-reductase, not aromatase, which means your testosterone can still convert to estradiol, but can't convert to DHT to "fight off" the estrogenic effects of estradiol. The more estradiol in your body, the larger demand for DHT is required for your body. Lignans increase SHBG, reduce estradiol, and inhibits both alpha-5-reductase and aromatase.

Have you had a sensitive E2 test to make sure your Estrodial is actually elevated ? GYNO comes from alot more things than just elevated E2

How much tamoxifen are you planning on taking day ? You do know tamox is linked to hair loss and will raise your T levels correct ?

 

[Bryan]

I believe that the reason we produce DHT is to migrate the strong effects of estradiol.

Wrong. BTW, I think the word you wanted is MITIGATE, not "migrate".

Both DHT and estradiol come from "free testosterone". The more SHBG the less "free testosterone" which means less estradiol, which means less DHT.

Wrong again! For your information, taking an aromatase inhibitor will RAISE your DHT, it won't lower it.

The more estradiol in your body, the larger demand for DHT is required for your body.

WRONG AGAIN! You're on an impressive losing streak here!