Regime Tweak Opinions Needed!

[Jm0311]

Hello Everyone! Looking to tweak my regime per Dr. Lee's recommandations. Let me know what you think please!!!!

Currently a Norwood 2 - Temples receding, vertex is holding (for now, crosses fingers...)


Current: (Been on current for 7-10 months, results not as expected)

Morning
Rogaine Foam (Temples)

Evening
5% spironolactone Cream (Temples)
Rogaine Foam or Kirkland minoxidil (Temples)
Tricomin on Vertex (3x a week)

New

Morning
#500 Minoxidil 5%

Evening
Xandrox 15 Plus (Temples)
5% spironolactone Cream (Temples)
Tricomin on Vertex (3x a week)

Additional Items used (no change)

Fish Oil
MSM
Vitamin C
Jasons Thin to Thick Shampoo & Conditioner
Nizoral 2-3x Week
Optimum Nutrition Mens Multi
Emu oil (1x a week on temples)


What do you guys think? Should I just stick with the foam or will I see improvements by using Dr. Lee's #500?
Should there be a DHT blocker in the morning or will spironolactone hold for most of the day if I put it on at night?
I appreciate everyones help!

 

[nuttyrich]

Were you on liquid before switching to foam? If so you may be one of the many (like me) who just didn't do as well on Foam. If you only ever used Foam and never used liquid I would say use the liquid 2 X a day, give up the foam 7-10 months is long enough to know if it's working. Also are you SURE it's not working, many people think it's not have you taken photos? Please be aware of a shed coming from the switch over, why he is asking you to take Xandrox 15 plus I have no idea as according to his own words Topical finasteride doesn't work. I would just use minoxidil 5 % liquid 2 X a day, and if you want to keep that NW2 and maybe thicken it up get in propecia/proscar. minoxidil doesn't stop hairloss it only regrows hair, so you need an internal dht. Why do I say skip the 15 % rogaine? Save it for when you truly need it. NO one knows if 15 % works any better than 5 %, but if it truly does, you would want to save that for the last resort. You don't seem to be in a bad position, just add propecia/proscar to your regimen and you will really benefit yourself.

Regards,
Rich

 

[Jm0311]

Thank you for the response

Dr. Lee

2) Although topical spironolactone is a very effective medicine in protecting the follicles from DHT, it is not usually adequate when used alone. Drugs such as azelaic acid, spironolactone and finasteride (Propecia) protect the follicles from DHT in the scalp but protecting from DHT in the scalp isn't the whole solution. Even men who have been castrated for treatment of prostate cancer and have no source of DHT will stop the balding process, but they do not grow back significant amounts of hair (unless they also use minoxidil as a hair growth stimulant). That's why a combination of minoxidil and an anti-androgen is important for growth outside the vertex/crown area.

If you want to improve you chances of seeing success you MUST be consistent and try the following regimen:

In the morning, apply 1 mL of Product Number 600, 5% Xandrox to all affected areas. In the evening before bedtime, but at least 8 hours later, apply 1 mL of Product Number 940, Xandrox15 to the same affected areas. Wait 10 minutes after applying Xandrox15 and apply a thin film of Product Number 205, 5% spironolactone lotion. Leave both formulas on all night. As with any topical medication, only those molecules of the medication directly adjacent to the skin are absorbed. So, it's a waste to apply 'a thick goop' to the scalp. A thin film of 5% spironolactone lotion is sufficient to decrease DHT in the scalp and to block the androgen receptor sites. If you have not had side effects from oral finasteride (Propecia), then you may substitute Product Number 948, Xandrox15-PLUS for Product Number 940.

This is one of the more aggressive regimens meant to treat hair loss refractory to other treatments and to help reverse loss in the difficult to treat frontal and temple areas. Allow 6 months of consistent use to see positive results.

 

[nuttyrich]

Personally sounds like the most aggressive money attempt from Dr.Lee. spironolactone is not bad, but it cannot compare to Propecia, many have tried topical spironolactone not much success stories using spironolactone alone, again not a bad choice if you cannot or will not use propecia. If you are open to propecia, that is your best chance at halting the progression. I would suggest keeping it simple, use all of the other stuff when all else fails. The simple being the big 3, Propecia, minoxidil, and Nizoral 2 %. I would save the 15 % rogaine as a last ditch attempt, also same with spironolactone. Give the BIG 3 a year you would be surpised with the results.


Regards,
Rich

 

[Jm0311]

Do you think topical finasteride is a joke?

what about rogaine foam over liquid?

 

[Bryan]

Dr. Lee

2) Although topical spironolactone is a very effective medicine in protecting the follicles from DHT, it is not usually adequate when used alone. Drugs such as azelaic acid, spironolactone and finasteride (Propecia) protect the follicles from DHT in the scalp but protecting from DHT in the scalp isn't the whole solution. Even men who have been castrated for treatment of prostate cancer and have no source of DHT will stop the balding process, but they do not grow back significant amounts of hair (unless they also use minoxidil as a hair growth stimulant).

Important FYI for Dr. Lee: in one study of prostate cancer I have around here, castration reduced serum DHT in a group of men by an average of about 70%, which is similar to the reduction you get when you take finasteride.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

just add fina or duta to your regime
as far as i see on your regime , the only thing that you dont use is a internal dht blokker...

if you dont like to use fina , you can use at first a low dose, to see if this gives improvements...
sinds it also works in low dose...

 

[Jm0311]

thanks

anyone else?

 

[Jm0311]

would anyone suggest using this regime: ?

spironolactone
.25 mg finasteride eod
#500 minioxidil - evening
foam - morning?