Relationship Between Fathers Hair Status And Son's Hair Status.

[Niki99]

The sad news for you is that you really do have poor craniofacial development. Nose is in good shape but your cheekbones are too narrow. You have classic bone remodeling of balding people and that means that your neck muscles are in continuous tension and that's why you are losing hair.

That's not true as my Cheekbones are exactly the feature most people like about me. I measured them one time and I have in fact above average Cheekbones when it comes to height and width. And if I look at these pictures you provided I look not at all like the "bad example". Your theory just makes no sense. Have Fredrik Ljungberg, Zinedine Zidane, Statham for example bad development too? lmao

However in one thing I can say you have a point. My back posture was never good since I'm a kid. I have scoliosis and if I read it right this can cause hair loss too?

 

[Mitko1]

That's not true as my Cheekbones are exactly the feature most people like about me. I measured them one time and I have in fact above average Cheekbones when it comes to height and width. And if I look at these pictures you provided I look not at all like the "bad example". Your theory just makes no sense. Have Fredrik Ljungberg, Zinedine Zidane, Statham for example bad development too? lmao

However in one thing I can say you have a point. My back posture was never good since I'm a kid. I have scoliosis and if I read it right this can cause hair loss too?

Yes. The guy that wrote the two articles about poor cranofacial development says that poor neck posture causes hair loss.

 

[Niki99]

Yes. I the guy that wrote the two articles about poor cranofacial development says that poor neck posture causes hair loss.

You are the guy that is behind it? Respect for your work. Anyone who actually tries to investigate, raise awareness and/or tries to find a solution gets my respect even if they might be wrong. I at least will consider the possibility that it has to do with my posture I believe I have scoliosis since I'm a toddler. It got better but they could never actually fix it. Sucks if this is really the cause. Oh well..

 

[Mitko1]

You are the guy that is behind it? Respect for your work. Anyone who actually tries to investigate, raise awareness and/or tries to find a solution gets my respect even if they might be wrong. I at least will consider the possibility that it has to do with my posture I believe I have scoliosis since I'm a toddler. It got better but they could never actually fix it. Sucks if this is really the cause. Oh well..

I am not the guy but I am investigating the real cause of hair loss for a year now.

 

[Niki99]

I am not the guy but I am investigating the real cause of hair loss for a year now.

Because you lose hair as well or just because you find it interesting/want to prevent it beforehand?

 

[Mitko1]

Because you lose hair as well or just because you find it interesting/want to prevent it beforehand?

I was afraid that one day might lose my hair and I even thought that it started but It turned out that I have seborrheic dermatitis and not male pattern baldness.

 

[Niki99]

I was afraid that one day might lose my hair and I even thought that it started but It turned out that I have seborrheic dermatitis and not male pattern baldness.

Okay thanks.

 

[INT]

The sad news for you is that you really do have poor craniofacial development. Nose is in good shape but your cheekbones are too narrow. You have classic bone remodeling of balding people and that means that your neck muscles are in continuous tension and that's why you are losing hair.

Dude... stop with the broscience.

 

[Mitko1]

Dude... stop with the broscience.

What do you think is the real cause of hair loss then? Why do you think that some men retain the hair on their head and some don't? Why do some men lose it partially and some lose it all on top?. I have observed many theories but I think this the correct one and can't be debunked.

- The adrogen sensitive follicles theory - Can't explain the pattern and why most men experience some DHT induced miniaturisation in the same way completely bald guys do.

- The scull expansion theory - I have seen people with very small heads who are bald. And the scull stops growing after 25 so this is not the case. And the hair loss doesn't progress as the expansion progresses.

- The galea theory - That the mechanical tension is the cause of male pattern baldness is connected to the new theory that tight back and neck muscles are the cause of it.

- The blood vessels theory - that balding people have less blood vessels in the scalp. It is also connected. People with less dense hair are more likely to go bald.

Look what is written there: https://sandra-bloom.com/posture-head-muscles-impact-hair-growth/

"Bad posture causes the muscles in your back to tighten up. Through the chain, or facial and head muscles, can also tense up in response. If this happen continuosly, it could eventually cause the blood-carrying capillaries in hair follicles to close up, hindering hair growth."

Poor posture is indeed the real cause of hair loss. It causes mechanical tension and bone remodeling. Haven't you noticed that balding guys have different scull structure compared to non balding men?
That's because of bone remodeling. Bones change in order to protect the brain against the excessive mechanical force. Because of this it doesn't look the same when someone who still has hair shaves his head and when someone who's balding does.

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https://giveitacut.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/0.jpg

 

[LeeVanCleef]

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I saw a lot of guys like the guy on the bottom pictures with hair loss who look like this.

I'm really struggling to see what you're seeing. IMO these examples below go against this theory:

- Non-balding example with poor craniofacial development similar to the bottom guy in the above pic you posted: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150915121730-15-michael-imperioli-goodfellas-super-169.jpg

- Balding example with good craniofacial development: https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/jude-law.jpg.

- Non-balding example with poor craniofacial development: http://movie-dude.co.uk/Donald Sutherland The Dirty Dozen (1967).jpg

- Balding example with good craniofacial development: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FiztA8SEi...XsHk4YrfA/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/yulbrynner.jpg

Also compare these two men, one balding, one with juvenile hairline: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/47/96/9647963750f2c8139f50ce4144cb2a3f.jpg vs https://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/d...S/2005-Channing-Tatum-400_0.jpg?itok=AMixkb4U. To my eyes their skull shape/craniofacial structure looks fairly similar.

I just want you to explain the above examples, because IMO they don't match your theory at all, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

 

[Mitko1]

I'm really struggling to see what you're seeing. IMO these examples below go against this theory:

- Non-balding example with poor craniofacial development similar to the bottom guy in the above pic you posted: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150915121730-15-michael-imperioli-goodfellas-super-169.jpg

- Balding example with good craniofacial development: https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/jude-law.jpg.

- Non-balding example with poor craniofacial development: http://movie-dude.co.uk/Donald Sutherland The Dirty Dozen (1967).jpg

- Balding example with good craniofacial development: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FiztA8SEi...XsHk4YrfA/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/yulbrynner.jpg

Also compare these two men, one balding, one with juvenile hairline: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/47/96/9647963750f2c8139f50ce4144cb2a3f.jpg vs https://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/d...S/2005-Channing-Tatum-400_0.jpg?itok=AMixkb4U. To my eyes their skull shape/craniofacial structure looks fairly similar.

I just want you to explain the above examples, because IMO they don't match your theory at all, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

Channing Tatum is Norwood 2 not juvenile hairline.

 

[LeeVanCleef]

Channing Tatum is Norwood 2 not juvenile hairline.

He's almost 40, with his hairline he ain't going bald. And what about the other examples I gave? I think this theory is very flawed.

 

[Niki99]

He's almost 40, with his hairline he ain't going bald. And what about the other examples I gave? I think this theory is very flawed.

I think that it could be a part of hair loss and in combination with bad genes it can cause hair loss quite often but as a stand alone theory? I agree it seems flawed.

 

[INT]

What do you think is the real cause of hair loss then?

A genetic sensivity of follicles to androgens that sets in motion a process that causes the follicles to miniaturize.

Why do you think that some men retain the hair on their head and some don't? Why do some men lose it partially and some lose it all on top?.

Because some men have a genetic predisposition to what I mentioned above and others do not.

I have observed many theories but I think this the correct one and can't be debunked.

- The adrogen sensitive follicles theory - Can't explain the pattern and why most men experience some DHT induced miniaturisation in the same way completely bald guys do.

Yes it can. Different levels of sensitity to androgens. Reducing androgens or blocking receptors properly usually stops the hair loss.

- The galea theory - That the mechanical tension is the cause of male pattern baldness is connected to the new theory that tight back and neck muscles are the cause of it.

Zero valid research that backs this theory up, Also, taking finasteride helps with hair loss with does not change your back and nack muscles so there is already 1 of the many arguments of your broscience theory,

Look what is written there: https://sandra-bloom.com/posture-head-muscles-impact-hair-growth/

"Bad posture causes the muscles in your back to tighten up. Through the chain, or facial and head muscles, can also tense up in response. If this happen continuosly, it could eventually cause the blood-carrying capillaries in hair follicles to close up, hindering hair growth."

I have perfect posture, as has my dad. One is thinning, the other is completely bald.

Poor posture is indeed the real cause of hair loss.

Nope.

Haven't you noticed that balding guys have different scull structure compared to non balding men?

No, it might just look different because one has hair on it and the other does not.

That's because of bone remodeling. Bones change in order to protect the brain against the excessive mechanical force. Because of this it doesn't look the same when someone who still has hair shaves his head and when someone who's balding does.

No, that is because with one the face still gets framed by a hairline (yes you can even see this when the hair is shaven completely close to the skin.

Now please, stop with this stupid theory and rather focus on the real cause.

 

[Mitko1]

A genetic sensivity of follicles to androgens that sets in motion a process that causes the follicles to miniaturize.



Because some men have a genetic predisposition to what I mentioned above and others do not.



Yes it can. Different levels of sensitity to androgens. Reducing androgens or blocking receptors properly usually stops the hair loss.


Zero valid research that backs this theory up, Also, taking finasteride helps with hair loss with does not change your back and nack muscles so there is already 1 of the many arguments of your broscience theory,



I have perfect posture, as has my dad. One is thinning, the other is completely bald.



Nope.



No, it might just look different because one has hair on it and the other does not.



No, that is because with one the face still gets framed by a hairline (yes you can even see this when the hair is shaven completely close to the skin.

Now please, stop with this stupid theory and rather focus on the real cause.

I won't focus on this theory because it is NOT the real cause of hair loss. The problem is not sensitivity to DHT. Non balding scalps have normal levels of DHT. Only balding scalps have elevated DHT levels, mostly in the temporal regions and crown. And this DHT came as an and inflammatory response. When the inflammation is persistent and chronic it results in calcification and fibrosis and hair cannot grow. The galea of balding men is just not hair friendly. I suggest you to read the book ''Baldness a social history". Here is written that men who are bald have calcification of scull bones that blocks blood vessels. Bald men just lack that thick fat layer of skin under the scalp that helps blood supply to hair follicles. It is possible to create a baldness in a monkey by cutting slices of skin of their scalp and creating tight scalp. This fat layer this with the age and then baldness start. That's why some people who have healthy scalp with normal DHT levels when they are younger start to bald when they are older. This is normal part of aging and it happens in everyone. In some less in some more, in some sooner, in some later. But one is sure - this layer of skin is thickest at the center of the head and this area tend to bald the last if ever. I am starting to thing that the hair loss in older men stops to progress at certain point is because it is delayed due to lower DHT levels and if they start to take testosterone injection for example, they will end up completely bald. When they are younger the mechanical tension is not harming them because this fat is preserving their hair follicle, but when it thins with age the mechanical tension start very slowly damaging the scalp. And since this tension is highest at the temples and vertex, they are the first damaged. Especially the temples. They are very vulnerable. Then it is the crown and the center is the last.

The less of this of this layer you are born with, the earlier you will go bald. Why do you think that there are few Caucasian males in their 90's with full heads of hair?

Look at this 100 year old guy.

Look how much hair he has. Only mild temporal hair loss. If we do a check up of his scalp we will find that only in a very small area of his temples he has increased DHT levels while the rest is normal.

The reason why he has so much hair is because his galea is well nourished and a lot of blood goes up there. His hair follicles are protected from the mechanical tension which restrict the blood flow. That's an unique case where a man retained this thick scalp layer into very old age and has the density and hairline of a 20 year old. Most people aren't like that. They experience age related thinning and start to experience male pattern baldness.

This guy lost only the finest hair on the temples as everybody does at the beginning because this area is naturally hypoxic and under tension on everybody probably because muscle frontalis is nearby.

There is enough evidence that chronic inflammation causes calcification and fibrosis:
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/lun...-disorders/pleural-fibrosis-and-calcification

And changes within the hair follicles happen:

https://www.morressier.com/article/...ations-hair-follicle/59b802ecd462b80296ca07d0

 

[INT]

I won't focus on this theory because it is NOT the real cause of hair loss.

Well the scientific community and everyone with common sense disagrees with you but hey, be my guest.

The problem is not sensitivity to DHT. Non balding scalps have normal levels of DHT. Only balding scalps have elevated DHT levels, mostly in the temporal regions and crown.

This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. Balding scalps do not have elevated DHT levels. It is their sensitivity to DHT that is the issue.

The reason why he has so much hair is because his galea is well nourished and a lot of blood goes up there. His hair follicles are protected from the mechanical tension which restrict the blood flow. That's an unique case where a man retained this thick scalp layer into very old age and has the density and hairline of a 20 year old. Most people aren't like that. They experience age related thinning and start to experience male pattern baldness.

I think you are just trolling at this point.

Again, if it is not androgens that are the issue, then why do treatments that tackle androgens often tackle male pattern baldness?

 

[Mitko1]

Well the scientific community and everyone with common sense disagrees with you but hey, be my guest.



This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. Balding scalps do not have elevated DHT levels. It is their sensitivity to DHT that is the issue.




I think you are just trolling at this point.

Again, if it is not androgens that are the issue, then why do treatments that tackle androgens often tackle male pattern baldness?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4174066/

 

[ScaredOfBalding]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4174066/

Sickening, pissening reference bro. A theory written by a plastic surgeon.
Good luck with ur broscientist 2020 goals.

 

[Mitko1]

Sickening, pissening reference bro. A theory written by a plastic surgeon.
Good luck with ur broscientist 2020 goals.

I wanted to post some evidence that DHT level is increased only in the balding scalp and only in the areas with thinning hair. And evidence that inflammation is persistent in Androgenetic Alopecia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK278957/

DHT levels and androgen receptor levels are not the same in balding and non balding scalp. And there is no difference between dht levels in occipital area in both non balding and balding people.



https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82562988.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14757277

If under tension, the hair follicles are slowly damaged and DHT arrives in damaged area and it stays there consistently because it can't reduce the inflammation because it is chronic. The temporal areas are the first damaged because the tension is highest there. The way you hair follicles fused in the womb play the major role and how much layer of skin you have under them to protect them from the mechanical tension. Look at the way Androgenetic Alopecia progresses. I begins with very small recession at the temples and then it becomes deeper and deeper. Where the tension is highest it begins, and then it spreads slowly to the areas with low degree of tension. We don't know the exact point when it starts because the chronic daily mechanical tension needs years to damage the tissues. The area at the temples where the recession begins is probably in constant tension everyone since birth and that's why almost everybody loses hair there.

Some people are born with it and in some it happens with age.

If the mechanical tension wasn't the cause of hair loss bald people wouldn't have these stiff, shiny scalps. The skin gets stiff due to lack of blood flow, because as I said is blamed on DHT- induced calcification.

 

[Unacknowledged]

I wanted to post some evidence that DHT level is increased only in the balding scalp and only in the areas with thinning hair. And evidence that inflammation is persistent in Androgenetic Alopecia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK278957/

DHT levels and androgen receptor levels are not the same in balding and non balding scalp. And there is no difference between dht levels in occipital area in both non balding and balding people.



https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82562988.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14757277

If under tension, the hair follicles are slowly damaged and DHT arrives in damaged area and it stays there consistently because it can't reduce the inflammation because it is chronic. The temporal areas are the first damaged because the tension is highest there. The way you hair follicles fused in the womb play the major role and how much layer of skin you have under them to protect them from the mechanical tension. Look at the way Androgenetic Alopecia progresses. I begins with very small recession at the temples and then it becomes deeper and deeper. Where the tension is highest it begins, and then it spreads slowly to the areas with low degree of tension. We don't know the exact point when it starts because the chronic daily mechanical tension needs years to damage the tissues. The area at the temples where the recession begins is probably in constant tension everyone since birth and that's why almost everybody loses hair there.

Some people are born with it and in some it happens with age.

If the mechanical tension wasn't the cause of hair loss bald people wouldn't have these stiff, shiny scalps. The skin gets stiff due to lack of blood flow, because as I said is blamed on DHT- induced calcification.

Thanks for posting this. I like this clarification. Its a pretty solid explanation.

Nowhere is this theory saying that dht is not a problem. Its just saying that dht comes to our "rescue" to reduce the inflammation but cant and so it hurts our follicles. Maybe the fat layer on our heads doesnt only decrease with age but maybe dht is eating away at it. When the fat cant protect the follicles anymore they are next.