Replicel Is On Fire Lately — Data In Feb.

[Georgie]

Why do you dye your hair if it's so fucked up? Thought this would even make it worse ?!?

I was bored, and it was a mistake because I swear I lost like double the amount of hair in one day when I did it. Live and learn.

 

[Bigoldben]

How likely, from experience, is it that Replicel/Shiseido will be readily available by 2020? From what I’ve read it seems the most viable solution and represents an almost semi-permanent vaccination from baldness or have I misunderstood?

 

[Bigoldben]

Yeah, you could call repli a "vaccination".

From older slides, 2018 could be a potential commercial launch in Japan, but 2019 is more realistic.

That’s good news I suppose, will it likely travel to the west quickly or will similar tests have to be undertaken over here also?

 

[Bigoldben]

Will take a longer time to come out in the west.

Better save some money and hopefully foreigners can get the treatment in Japan.

Ah, why is that the case? Regulations or commercial reasons?

 

[Georgie]

Ah, why is that the case? Regulations or commercial reasons?

Japan only needs up to two trial phases before commercial release.
Most of the West need 3 plus all kinds of approval from governing bodies.

 

[That Guy]

Thanks to Facebook, Instagram and other social media, appearance becomes more and more important. Even for men.

Looks are just as important as they ever were.

It's just that now, the importance of them is more obvious to people, as it is now possible to make a very big first impression without ever actually meeting someone.

 

[itsjustsimon]

Life without looks is not a life at all.

 

[razzmatazz91]

Japan only needs up to two trial phases before commercial release.
Most of the West need 3 plus all kinds of approval from governing bodies.

You need those approvals and stuff in Japan too.
The difference is that the commercial release is the Phase 3 trial, in a manner of speaking.

 

[razzmatazz91]

Looks are just as important as they ever were.

It's just that now, the importance of them is more obvious to people, as it is now possible to make a very big first impression without ever actually meeting someone.

True.
I get irritated by how stupid people are sometimes.... so many idiots who think that looks are more important than before because of social media.
And that same kind of "logic" is applied to all kinds of things..

 

[Toby0823]

I believe they did some trials for safety a while back and reported some regrowth from them, it , but usually a company would know how trials are proceeding. I everything would go according the plan and massive regrowth / stabilization without side effects was already observed, why not hype the product to no end so there will be massive demand when it goes to the market in half a year?

Same thing people were saying in the Italian lotion thread

 

[Bigoldben]

Seems fairly obvious not to hype it until the last results are in, that way if something does go awry then there’ll be fewer long term consequences for the company. There’s also the converse, quite frankly if a drug is showing side effects and little efficacy the trial would have been pulled and the whole thing swept under the carpet. The initial trial showed efficacy (small regrowth and stability at two years) and complete safety at five. The risk is that either at five years there’s little to no efficacy or that the company decides that stabilisation does not carry the same profit margins as a complete regrowth. Although the latter seems unlikely cos stabilisation effectively amounts to a vaccination and long term that seems the best option to make money

 

[itsAlright]

Any chance we could keep the shallow worldview of incellism out of the new research section?

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Any chance we could keep the shallow worldview of incellism out of the new research section?

I agree with you.
But met let me answer your question.
No, probably.

People on this forum somehow seem to confound "looks are an influencing factor" with "looks are everything/most important," using the former observation to justify the latter sentiment. Looks can sometimes make it easier to talk to someone in a romantic context, and yield marginal benefits in other contexts. But looks don't fuel your drive to work hard (blackpill of the day), looks don't make you skilled at your profession, looks won't improve your health (though of course the reverse can be true obviously), looks won't magically give you confidence and fix your shitty personality, etc. The list goes on. Hair loss is the scapegoat. Hair was the original setback. Your hair died for your sins of being unlucky; "Ah yes, I FINALLY know exactly the single factor that weighs my life down."

I'd hate to think what these forum members would do if they lost an arm in an accident, or were left with an unsightly scar, etc. At this rate, give up on life right away, probably. The insecurity would consume them outright. It's not a healthy thing to entertain insecure thoughts and feelings - objective debates about whether or not one looks better without hair notwithstanding.

Losing your hair does not make you a bad person. Taking a hit to your looks doesn't devalue who you are. And there is no shame in hardship; rather, remaining resilient is a virtue. We are all withering away anyway - if it isn't hair loss it is gray hair, or wrinkles, or weight gain, or any number of things.

I think it is interesting that hair loss is happening, for the majority of the people on this forum, right around the transition to adulthood. The free lunches are gone (though some of your peers are still receiving them - fine, but they won't be forever). The unfairness, hardship, ambiguity, complexity, volatility and uncertainty of life all seems manifestly more apparent each day, all the while they have just been slammed with a keen awareness of their morality - suddenly, people can feel the finiteness of their 2nd and 3rd decade of life and scramble to control the outcomes. I think it can seem that hair loss is robbing one of their youth, innocence, and the carefree portion of their life, making them feel out of touch with their now unfamiliar future. But in truth, one has to be an adult eventually, and the second decade of life is a good start. By this age, it is not unheard of or abnormal for people to start families, create businesses, serve in war, or any number of adult things.

I fully expect life to give me harder problems and situations than hair loss in the coming years and I for one want to be able to overcome them and go to the next thing, rather than getting stuck on any single problem mentally, emotionally and financially, while life simply marches onward without me.

If there is a safe cure - great! Let's use it! Let us enjoy the benefits of technology together. But if we're going to entertain ideas of suicide and other exteme perspectives at the first set back - f*** that. Probably means you don't have your priorities straight and that you need to harden the f*** up. I'd be worried if any such people were fathers. It may seem cruel to tell people who are suffering to toughen up, but much of the suffering is self-inflicted and amplified by the echo chamber that is this forum. Yes, you are responsible for a great portion of your own suffering. Yes, feeling such INCREDIBLE anguish over hair loss - something that ~70% or so of men will eventually experience - probably means that your reaction is not matched well to the situation (not to mention willingness to take experimental drugs, etc. - an "at all costs" approach to hair loss). I cannot state how apparent it is that many of you aren't thinking straight. The existence of hair loss as a nuisance and a problem doesn't validate extreme feelings in reaction.

In for dislikes. I'll be happy if I perturbed your dysmorphic views. Seriously.

 

[hanginginthewire]

I agree with you.
But met let me answer your question.
No, probably.

People on this forum somehow seem to confound "looks are an influencing factor" with
"looks are everything/most important," using the former observation to justify the latter sentiment. Looks can sometimes make it easier to talk to someone in a romantic context, and yield marginal benefits in other contexts. But looks don't fuel your drive to work hard (blackpill of the day), looks don't make you skilled at your profession, looks won't improve your health (though of course the reverse can be true obviously), looks won't magically give you confidence and fix your shitty personality, etc. The list goes on. Hair loss is the scapegoat. Hair was the original setback. Your hair died for your sins of being unlucky; "Ah yes, I FINALLY know exactly the single factor that weighs my life down."

I'd hate to think what these forum members would do if they lost an arm in an accident, or were left with an unsightly scar, etc. At this rate, give up on life right away, probably. The insecurity would consume them outright. It's not a healthy thing to entertain insecure thoughts and feelings - objective debates about whether or not one looks better without hair notwithstanding.

Losing your hair does not make you a bad person. Taking a hit to your looks doesn't devalue who you are. And there is no shame in hardship; rather, remaining resilient is a virtue. We are all withering away anyway - if it isn't hair loss it is gray hair, or wrinkles, or weight gain, or any number of things.

I think it is interesting that hair loss is happening, for the majority of the people on this forum, right around the transition to adulthood. The free lunches are gone (though some of your peers are still receiving them - fine, but they won't be forever). The unfairness, hardship, ambiguity, complexity, volatility and uncertainty of life all seems manifestly more apparent each day, all the while they have just been slammed with a keen awareness of their morality - suddenly, people can feel the finiteness of their 2nd and 3rd decade of life and scramble to control the outcomes. I think it can seem that hair loss is robbing one of their youth, innocence, and the carefree portion of their life, making them feel out of touch with their now unfamiliar future. But in truth, one has to be an adult eventually, and the second decade of life is a good start. By this age, it is not unheard of or abnormal for people to start families, create businesses, serve in war, or any number of adult things.

I fully expect life to give me harder problems and situations than hair loss in the coming years and I for one want to be able to overcome them and go to the next thing, rather than getting stuck on any single problem mentally, emotionally and financially, while life simply marches onward without me.

If there is a safe cure - great! Let's use it! Let us enjoy the benefits of technology together. But if we're going to entertain ideas of suicide and other exteme perspectives at the first set back - f*** that. Probably means you don't have your priorities straight and that you need to harden the f*** up. I'd be worried if any such people were fathers. It may seem cruel to tell people who are suffering to toughen up, but much of the suffering is self-inflicted and amplified by the echo chamber that is this forum. Yes, you are responsible for a great portion of your own suffering. Yes, feeling such INCREDIBLE anguish over hair loss - something that ~70% or so of men will eventually experience - probably means that your reaction is not matched well to the situation (not to mention willingness to take experimental drugs, etc. - an "at all costs" approach to hair loss). I cannot state how apparent it is that many of you aren't thinking straight. The existence of hair loss as a nuisance and a problem doesn't validate extreme feelings in reaction.

In for dislikes. I'll be happy if I perturbed your dysmorphic views. Seriously.

People’s hair loss does not occur in a vacuum, it occurs in situation. You’re projecting your normie narrative on to it.

For instance, we have some trans women members, dealing with hair loss can be incredibly dysphoric and upsetting for them. That’s off the top of my head. You can’t say “it’s just hair loss...” unless you know the circumstances, psychology, and situations of who you’re addressing, and you don’t.

 

[Feelsbadman.jpg]

I agree with you.
But met let me answer your question.
No, probably.

People on this forum somehow seem to confound "looks are an influencing factor" with
"looks are everything/most important," using the former observation to justify the latter sentiment. Looks can sometimes make it easier to talk to someone in a romantic context, and yield marginal benefits in other contexts. But looks don't fuel your drive to work hard (blackpill of the day), looks don't make you skilled at your profession, looks won't improve your health (though of course the reverse can be true obviously), looks won't magically give you confidence and fix your shitty personality, etc. The list goes on. Hair loss is the scapegoat. Hair was the original setback. Your hair died for your sins of being unlucky; "Ah yes, I FINALLY know exactly the single factor that weighs my life down."

I'd hate to think what these forum members would do if they lost an arm in an accident, or were left with an unsightly scar, etc. At this rate, give up on life right away, probably. The insecurity would consume them outright. It's not a healthy thing to entertain insecure thoughts and feelings - objective debates about whether or not one looks better without hair notwithstanding.

Losing your hair does not make you a bad person. Taking a hit to your looks doesn't devalue who you are. And there is no shame in hardship; rather, remaining resilient is a virtue. We are all withering away anyway - if it isn't hair loss it is gray hair, or wrinkles, or weight gain, or any number of things.

I think it is interesting that hair loss is happening, for the majority of the people on this forum, right around the transition to adulthood. The free lunches are gone (though some of your peers are still receiving them - fine, but they won't be forever). The unfairness, hardship, ambiguity, complexity, volatility and uncertainty of life all seems manifestly more apparent each day, all the while they have just been slammed with a keen awareness of their morality - suddenly, people can feel the finiteness of their 2nd and 3rd decade of life and scramble to control the outcomes. I think it can seem that hair loss is robbing one of their youth, innocence, and the carefree portion of their life, making them feel out of touch with their now unfamiliar future. But in truth, one has to be an adult eventually, and the second decade of life is a good start. By this age, it is not unheard of or abnormal for people to start families, create businesses, serve in war, or any number of adult things.

I fully expect life to give me harder problems and situations than hair loss in the coming years and I for one want to be able to overcome them and go to the next thing, rather than getting stuck on any single problem mentally, emotionally and financially, while life simply marches onward without me.

If there is a safe cure - great! Let's use it! Let us enjoy the benefits of technology together. But if we're going to entertain ideas of suicide and other exteme perspectives at the first set back - f*** that. Probably means you don't have your priorities straight and that you need to harden the f*** up. I'd be worried if any such people were fathers. It may seem cruel to tell people who are suffering to toughen up, but much of the suffering is self-inflicted and amplified by the echo chamber that is this forum. Yes, you are responsible for a great portion of your own suffering. Yes, feeling such INCREDIBLE anguish over hair loss - something that ~70% or so of men will eventually experience - probably means that your reaction is not matched well to the situation (not to mention willingness to take experimental drugs, etc. - an "at all costs" approach to hair loss). I cannot state how apparent it is that many of you aren't thinking straight. The existence of hair loss as a nuisance and a problem doesn't validate extreme feelings in reaction.

In for dislikes. I'll be happy if I perturbed your dysmorphic views. Seriously.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

 

[That Guy]

Looks can sometimes make it easier to talk to someone in a romantic context, and yield marginal benefits in other contexts

They don't "sometimes" make things easier in a romantic context; they always do. Suggesting otherwise suggests a complete lack of experience. The better-looking people are easier to talk to even if you are ugly.

When I decided to give a f*** about my appearance, cut my hair, working out, wearing better clothes, got my teeth fixed, and bothered to shave more than once or twice a week; when I went to college, the kinds of girls that I could only fantasize about even talking to just a couple years prior in highschool, came over, sat down beside me, and started conversations.

As for your "marginal" benefits in other areas, I'd strongly recommend you read up on the shitloads of research showing how attractive people more often land desirable jobs even if they are under-qualified for the position and such. There is also a lot of research indicating that (black pill of the day) good-looking people are on average also smarter. The bitter truth is that being good-looking yields a tremendous amount of social benefits.

But looks don't fuel your drive to work hard (blackpill of the day), looks don't make you skilled at your profession, looks won't improve your health (though of course the reverse can be true obviously)

I've never heard anyone argue the first two points and as for the third...well, a lot of things that can make you look like sh*t (hairloss) have also been linked to underlying health issues; like cardiovascular diseases.

Hair loss is the scapegoat. Hair was the original setback. Your hair died for your sins of being unlucky; "Ah yes, I FINALLY know exactly the single factor that weighs my life down."

For a lot of people? Probably. For your sweeping generalization? No.

I think it can seem that hair loss is robbing one of their youth, innocence, and the carefree portion of their life, making them feel out of touch with their now unfamiliar future. But in truth, one has to be an adult eventually, and the second decade of life is a good start. By this age, it is not unheard of or abnormal for people to start families, create businesses, serve in war, or any number of adult things.

Losing organs (a bodypart) in your scalp and suffering the social fallout, depression and other things that can come with this, is not a part of "adulting" like buying a goddamn house. Most people don't have to deal with this until they're quite a bit older, if they have to deal with it at all.

 

[Ollie]

True.
I get irritated by how stupid people are sometimes.... so many idiots who think that looks are more important than before because of social media.
And that same kind of "logic" is applied to all kinds of things..

The reason nowadays people are more looks obsessed and get hung up over their faults more than ever IS because of social media. You go on instagram and straight away you see 100's of the most liked pictures from around the world of ideal looking people with ideal looking lives and that does play a large role in creating an internal complex about how people feel about themselves as a result of making comparisons.

My parents are in their 60's and 70's and they said back 40-50 years ago other qualities of an individual like someones personality or sense of humour meant much much more than what todays society see which is purely looks based.

 

[Toby0823]

My parents are in their 60's and 70's and they said back 40-50 years ago other qualities of an individual like someones personality or sense of humour meant much much more than what todays society see which is purely looks based.

Just bcs they didn’t have social media back then doesn’t mean looks are any less important lmao. It just means they can’t express their likes. If anything, these younger millenials are more open minded than before in terms of looks.

However, there’s more pressure nowadays for baldies. You delete your Instagram account? You post pics wearing hats in every one of them? You’re exposed real quick.

I know it’s very technical and quite different between the two, but if scientists can grow hair on mice over 10yrs ago but still can’t cure hairloss on people in 2018, f*** them! It’s different sure, but f*** them. This can’t be that complicating for scientists “dedicated” on this field for 10-20 years. If they’ve been in this field for over 10yrs with no progress (there are none, only two are minoxidil and finastride) they should be fired. Problem with these scientists is there’s no pressure on them.

 

[Ollie]

Just bcs they didn’t have social media back then doesn’t mean looks are any less important lmao. It just means they can’t express their likes. If anything, these younger millenials are more open minded than before in terms of looks.

However, there’s more pressure nowadays for baldies. You delete your Instagram account? You post pics wearing hats in every one of them? You’re exposed real quick.

I know it’s very technical and quite different between the two, but if scientists can grow hair on mice over 10yrs ago but still can’t cure hairloss on people in 2018, f*** them! It’s different sure, but f*** them. This can’t be that complicating for scientists “dedicated” on this field for 10-20 years. If they’ve been in this field for over 10yrs with no progress (there are none, only two are minoxidil and finastride) they should be fired. Problem with these scientists is there’s no pressure on them.

No sh*t people have always been attracted to attractive people, but years ago qualities that are overlooked today were far more admired years ago. Its not just about expressing your likes.

The spectrum of what is perceived to be attractive has grown enormously and the stress of this has been as a result of social media and expectations. Even this forum has people losing their sh*t over being a thick NW1.5 and feeling the need to justify it like 'its okay its cool i'll just get a better physique to compensate'. Mind sets and expectations didn't exist like that 50 years ago. Social media has made everyone feel like they need to look and be a certain way to fit in and be accepted by society and its f*****g ridiculous.

As for scientists not being incentivised to do their job correctly and it not being complicated ...dude, my friend has just finished basic med school after like 6 years, he's about to do a 3 year PhD, then starting his foundation neuro course to become a brain surgeon which is 11 years - and that will leave him graduating age 39. The human body is immensely complicated, so finding a way of halting / reversing hairloss that is a result of a systemic issue without f*****g up the rest of the body is insanely difficult.

 

[That Guy]

No sh*t people have always been attracted to attractive people, but years ago qualities that are overlooked today were far more admired years ago.

Were they really though?

Again, for decades there has been a lot of research that's shown the favourable bias' of today were just as prevalent back in "the good ol' days".

I find it hard to believe that people value the other positive traits one can have any less than they ever did.

Social media has made everyone feel like they need to look and be a certain way to fit in and be accepted by society and its f*****g ridiculous.

Like I said: Social Media and dating apps make it so that you don't even have to meet the person before passing judgement.

The movie stars, the athletes, the musicians, etc. far back were always attractive and set "the gold standard" and that hasn't changed.

If someone thinks you look creepy or whatever at the job interview, they just didn't call you back.

There were almost no waitresses in Vegas 30 years ago who were anything less than a 9 by my understanding from people who were there in the 60s - 80s.

It's the same as it ever was. It's just that now, rather than not getting the job after the interview, you just don't even get the interview because they already creeped your Instagram.

Are "blind dates" even a thing anymore? No. Everyone uses f*****g Tinder and guns for the hottest one they think they can get.