Restored 85 Percent of my Hairline - From Norwood 2 to 1.3

[The_Mentalist]

In response to above question about RU as treatment,

Treatment by its definition needs to be used consistently to do away with symptoms. Thus, any treatment, including RU, is a treatment, not cure, and needs to be used all along to keep the benefits. Only exception is that you may interchange meds that will work in same mechanism. For example, RU and Flutamide topicals can be interchanged/swapped because they both work in same mechanism, that is, they are anti-androgens. Therefore, RU treatment is dependable.

However, it in unclear if topical anti-androgens can be discontinued and still keep the hair they were maintaining with orals such as finasteride/dutasteride or even oral flutamide/biculatamide

 

[ohmanohno]

Does AHK 5% liquid cause anyone else's skin to peel? Been using for a few days and my hairline is peeling a bit.

 

[WhereDaHair]

Sorry to hijack, but I gotta know:

Give him a break, he suffers from BDD......................................:whistle:

What's BDD?

Is there any way someone could please take the time to give me even a VERY SHORT one sentence answer to what these products are/ do? I haven't heard of a one of them! But I am very interested to know!

- RU?
-- RU58841
--- With KB?

- CB?
- ASC?
- equol?
- bim?
- ahk?

Anything, please! PM me if you like (don't want to take over thread with my incompetence). I gotta find out if there is something out there other than finasteride that could help me!

I'll read myself also, just don't know the actual names of the abbreviations.

 

[The_Mentalist]

RU, sometime RU58841 is Anti-Androgen (AA), comes in powder form that was tested in clinical trials for hairloss and had some significant benefits, but the study was shelved and the product is not approved and marketed for hairloss. You can only get it, in powder form, from suppliers based in China, and make your own topical soultion (in alcohol and PG) at home and use it like minoxidil everyday.

It has gotten quite affordable in recent years and actually be dirt cheap if you can get it through groupbuys in one of these hairloss forums. A hairloss website, with "experimental" forum/discussion has plenty of information on it. Alternatively, you may go to mpbtreatment website and they sell ready made solution, but is quite expensive.

It has been determined that 5-10% solution to be optimal for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment, once or twice a day.

RUM, is a derivative, of RU, something called like RU-Myristate (sp?), with similar function as RU with possibly added benefit of stimulant.


CB, aka, CB-03-01, appears to have potent anti-androgenic activity without significant local or systemic side effects. In other words, it is a safe drug that would not affect much your sexual and other functions in body, unlike other AA topicals such as Flutamide, spironolactone.

I believe it is still undergoing official clinical trials somewhere and has promising benefits for Androgenetic Alopecia, but will take time to come out as legit hair product in market. So, you need a chinese supplier to obtain it.

It is used as topical, comes in powder form for now, and you will be making a solution on your own at home. I am unsure of % solution for CB


ASC, aka ASC-J9 is a curcumin (Turmeric/Curry powder) derivative, made in pure molecular form in labs and has AA properties. It not only attaches to AR (Androgen Receptors) at hair follicles, but also degrades them making it more efficient, effective, and potent fighter against dht-binding to its hair follicle receptors.

In addition, it has anti-inflammatory properties for all over body, and defends hair follicles against inflammation caused by your own body. Inflammation is one part of the process that results in hair follicle miniaturization, and thus, shutting down of hair follicles/factory.

It was in some clinical trials somewhere, and I believe, trials were discontinued possibly because of ASC high staining problems and thus less marketability or something.

It is used as topical, comes in powder form, not commercially available. Again, you will be seeking a Chinese supplier for this.

You will be making a solution on your own at home. The % it was used in trials an/or benefical for hair is 0.1% solution

Equol is also Anti Androgen: It is different from other AAs in action in that it attaches and degrades dht directly, thus, no dht left in serum in the first place, and thus no transcription/messenger of baldness to hair follicles. Whereas, other AAs bind to AA receptors found in corresponding tissues resulting in still free dht floating around.

It is still in clinical trials (I think) and not available commercially. You will need chinese suppliers to get it in powder form and make your home made solution.

Usual effective solution for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment has been determined to be 5% Equol solution.

Bimatoprost is Growth Stimulant: Alternative to Minoxidil. It increases PGF2 (or PGE2?) at hair follicle sites. PGE2/PGF2 is responsible for initializing and maintaing hair Anagen-growing phase. Thus, it helps to lengthen the hair growing cycle and actually reactivates dormant follicles.

It is approved for application for eye lashes growth already. I am unsure if it is already in clinical trials for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment somewhere. The approved solution for eye lashes growth, I believe is by prescription, and is very low concentration to be of any good for scalp hair. IF anyone does decide to buy that one for scalp hair, then you would need a large quantity per dose application to par with dose/percent good for scalp hair. Needless to say, it will be very expensive, as it is already too expensive for eye lash tiny bottle applications. It is not practical.

It is unavailable otherwise, and you will need Chinese Suppliers to get it in powder form. It is very expensive there too, hundreds of dollars for 1g.

Usual effective solution for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment has been determined to be 0.1% Bima solution, alcohol based.

AHk-Copper Peptide is a stimulant that provides Copper-Peptides, A chain of molecules containing Cu which is essetial for hair growth.

It was also in clinical trials years ago and had promising result. But, trials were discontinued because it did not do much better than minoxidil, and it was not marketable for profit.

AHK-Cu is well know for skin and hair benefits and is an ingredient in several cosmetics for skin/hair improvement. There is mixed review on its efficay for Androgenetic Alopecia benefits. But, its a good addition to already basic regimen such as Androgen-dht control.

It is available in cream form on some website for skincare, but its expensive. You may need pure powder form in at least 98% purity to make a solution for your treatment. *******, what I found, sells it in grams for lowest price so far. Their website will tell you more about it how to make it in solution form quite easily. It is also available in powder and solution form at mpbtreatment website, but more expensive, especially the solution.

It is better to make your own home made solution based on alc/pg-will work just as fine. I believe clinical trials were done on 2.5 and 5% solution. Some have reported adverse results if used in higher concentration. Less than 2.5% of solution is useless in most cases.

 

[WhereDaHair]

The_Mentalist:
Wow man, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to explain all that to me, Seriously!

Well, that sure is a lot to take in, so I probably am gonna have to read it a few times to actually absorb all that. Looks like I'm getting into the underground world of hair loss products.

The fact they don't complete the trials to be approved and marketed does make me somewhat concerned. But, on the other hand, Propecia was - and look what it did to me!

Actually, I really don't want to take over israelite's thread.... So, The_Mentalist or anyone else, would you care to follow over to http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interact/showthread.php/63803-RU-CB-ASC-Equol-BIM-AHKl

 

[israelite]

my hairline is getting much much better!

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topicals:
Avene Cicalfate Restorative Skin Cream- 4x week
my hairline serum contains **********equol, ahk, apigenin,
saw palmetto,Soy isoflavones,Grape seed proanthocyanidins, apple poly and keratinocyte growth from china. i use skin active as the base. i apply this first in the morning! hairline only
proxiphen i apply 3x week hairline only
ru in the kb solution apply 3pm hairline only
Minoxidil Sulphate- when it arrives 6pm daily hairline only
Adenosine im going to put this in my shampoos and my hairshed aloe vera topical and my hair oils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Valproic Acid when it arrives will be applying mixed with minoxidil
cb-03-01 i use this after i take a shower! i'm currently using the cream! moving forward i will be injected into my scalp.
hairshed topical aloe vera gel, zinc oxide powder,osemary oil, garlic oil, and caster oil. i'm currently searching for pure aloe vera gel. i bought one which contains alot of nasty ingredients in it!!!!!!!
psi i will start this once i get everclear
sesa oil mixed with caster oil and sweet almond oil i use the oil 2x week before i go to sleep
vatika once a week i use this coconut oil. i use quite alot of it!!!!!
shampoos
revita 3x week
ih9 shampoo 4x week! best shampoo on the market.contains 9 ayurvedic herbs. i keep shampoos on my head for at least 30 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aloe vera shampoo - wash 4x week at night
vitamins
Chyawanprash contains over 40 ingredinets in it!!!!!!
L-Cysteine HCL Monohydrate powder
Inositol Hexaphosphate powder
Riboflavin 5 Phosphate powder.
msm 1000mg
silica
bacfo hairbac ayurvedic
biotin 10,000
Natrol Omega-3 Fish Oil 1000mg
finally i take both dutasteride and finasteride
adding c60 and epithalon VERY SOON! i buy in bulk and have at least a year supply of everything

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here is more regrowth

 

[Gregint]

RU, sometime RU58841 is Anti-Androgen (AA), comes in powder form that was tested in clinical trials for hairloss and had some significant benefits, but the study was shelved and the product is not approved and marketed for hairloss. You can only get it, in powder form, from suppliers based in China, and make your own topical soultion (in alcohol and PG) at home and use it like minoxidil everyday.

It has gotten quite affordable in recent years and actually be dirt cheap if you can get it through groupbuys in one of these hairloss forums. A hairloss website, with "experimental" forum/discussion has plenty of information on it. Alternatively, you may go to mpbtreatment website and they sell ready made solution, but is quite expensive.

It has been determined that 5-10% solution to be optimal for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment, once or twice a day.

RUM, is a derivative, of RU, something called like RU-Myristate (sp?), with similar function as RU with possibly added benefit of stimulant.


CB, aka, CB-03-01, appears to have potent anti-androgenic activity without significant local or systemic side effects. In other words, it is a safe drug that would not affect much your sexual and other functions in body, unlike other AA topicals such as Flutamide, spironolactone.

I believe it is still undergoing official clinical trials somewhere and has promising benefits for Androgenetic Alopecia, but will take time to come out as legit hair product in market. So, you need a chinese supplier to obtain it.

It is used as topical, comes in powder form for now, and you will be making a solution on your own at home. I am unsure of % solution for CB


ASC, aka ASC-J9 is a curcumin (Turmeric/Curry powder) derivative, made in pure molecular form in labs and has AA properties. It not only attaches to AR (Androgen Receptors) at hair follicles, but also degrades them making it more efficient, effective, and potent fighter against dht-binding to its hair follicle receptors.

In addition, it has anti-inflammatory properties for all over body, and defends hair follicles against inflammation caused by your own body. Inflammation is one part of the process that results in hair follicle miniaturization, and thus, shutting down of hair follicles/factory.

It was in some clinical trials somewhere, and I believe, trials were discontinued possibly because of ASC high staining problems and thus less marketability or something.

It is used as topical, comes in powder form, not commercially available. Again, you will be seeking a Chinese supplier for this.

You will be making a solution on your own at home. The % it was used in trials an/or benefical for hair is 0.1% solution

Equol is also Anti Androgen: It is different from other AAs in action in that it attaches and degrades dht directly, thus, no dht left in serum in the first place, and thus no transcription/messenger of baldness to hair follicles. Whereas, other AAs bind to AA receptors found in corresponding tissues resulting in still free dht floating around.

It is still in clinical trials (I think) and not available commercially. You will need chinese suppliers to get it in powder form and make your home made solution.

Usual effective solution for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment has been determined to be 5% Equol solution.

Bimatoprost is Growth Stimulant: Alternative to Minoxidil. It increases PGF2 (or PGE2?) at hair follicle sites. PGE2/PGF2 is responsible for initializing and maintaing hair Anagen-growing phase. Thus, it helps to lengthen the hair growing cycle and actually reactivates dormant follicles.

It is approved for application for eye lashes growth already. I am unsure if it is already in clinical trials for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment somewhere. The approved solution for eye lashes growth, I believe is by prescription, and is very low concentration to be of any good for scalp hair. IF anyone does decide to buy that one for scalp hair, then you would need a large quantity per dose application to par with dose/percent good for scalp hair. Needless to say, it will be very expensive, as it is already too expensive for eye lash tiny bottle applications. It is not practical.

It is unavailable otherwise, and you will need Chinese Suppliers to get it in powder form. It is very expensive there too, hundreds of dollars for 1g.

Usual effective solution for Androgenetic Alopecia treatment has been determined to be 0.1% Bima solution, alcohol based.

AHk-Copper Peptide is a stimulant that provides Copper-Peptides, A chain of molecules containing Cu which is essetial for hair growth.

It was also in clinical trials years ago and had promising result. But, trials were discontinued because it did not do much better than minoxidil, and it was not marketable for profit.

AHK-Cu is well know for skin and hair benefits and is an ingredient in several cosmetics for skin/hair improvement. There is mixed review on its efficay for Androgenetic Alopecia benefits. But, its a good addition to already basic regimen such as Androgen-dht control.

It is available in cream form on some website for skincare, but its expensive. You may need pure powder form in at least 98% purity to make a solution for your treatment. *******, what I found, sells it in grams for lowest price so far. Their website will tell you more about it how to make it in solution form quite easily. It is also available in powder and solution form at mpbtreatment website, but more expensive, especially the solution.

It is better to make your own home made solution based on alc/pg-will work just as fine. I believe clinical trials were done on 2.5 and 5% solution. Some have reported adverse results if used in higher concentration. Less than 2.5% of solution is useless in most cases.

why would bimatoprost .03% be good for eyelash hair, but not good enough for scalp hair? The follicles aren't really different.

 

[israelite]

capillogain taking hairline to the next level!

im only applying 4 topicals right now capillogain, ru, vpa, and minoxidil sulfate! anyway capillogain is one powerful growth stim! i hope to have proxiphen very soon. here is the patch of new growth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUbpE72DSA

 

[LawOfThelema]

amazing results

 

[rwGourmetStyleWellness]

Do you have any proof that toco 8 is helping you? Meaning did you begin taking it after you'd stabilized on the other items taken so you could see a difference?

Hey Guys, just wanted to get some opinions from people experimenting with all these new topicals. I am a pretty solid NW2 and I shave my head (buzz 1/4 in) so topicals are pretty easy for me. Currently I have a really solid amount of vellus hair in the templs region with im trying to hang on to and possibly revive.

My current regimen is:
Toco-8
Tricomin (in the morning)
BioMed minoxidil and co-enzyme (night)
Adding S-equol
Hair factors from twin lab
nizoral (2x a week)
Omega 3's
Dropping saw palmetto
Biotene-24 shampoo from GNC (ingredients are really solid)

I want to add 1 more topical as I feel like minoxidil is no longer working. When I started, it made the area i applied it to very red immediately and then the redness disappeared, almost like it was dilating blood vessels and stimulating the skin. However, when I apply it now, no reaction in the skin. So would it be beneficial to add RU to my reg and if so how do I get it? Or should I add something like prox-n?? any advice or tips would be appreciated

 

[israelite]

here is some people who have reported results with capilogain. i think its part of a complete regimen!

http://www.functional-products.net/produkte/capillogain-tonic/testimonials-capillogain-tonic/

 

[MrBastard]

How much $$$ do you use per month/year? Aint it very stressful to follow all the stuff you do?

 

[israelite]

How much $$$ do you use per month/year? Aint it very stressful to follow all the stuff you do?

here is my regimen! its really not expensive now.

update: here is my custom nano hairline topical! BASE: Double Emulsion with Nanosomestm.BASE OIL: choose 1 - coconut oil [Cocos nucifera] .ESSENTIAL OIL: - lemongrass [Cymbopogon schoenanthus] .ACTIVE: - KGF [keratinocyte growth factor]# .ACTIVE: - EGCG [Epigallocatechin gallate] .ACTIVE: - creatine ethyl ester* .ACTIVE: - co-Q10* [coenzyme-Q10] .ACTIVE: - SOD [super oxide dismutase]# .ACTIVE: - zinc oxide .VITAMIN: - folic acid .VITAMIN: - niacin [nicotinic acid] .VITAMIN: - riboflavin .PRECIOUS OIL: - black seed [Nigella sativa] .BOTANICAL: - aloe vera gel [Aloe barbadensis] .BOTANICAL: - apple peel [Pyrus malus ] .BOTANICAL: - bhringraj [Eclipta alba] .BOTANICAL: - fenugreek seed [Foenum graecum, Trigonella foenum-graecum] .BOTANICAL: - turmeric [curcumin, Curcuma longa] .ENCAPSULATE: - *alpha lipoic acid here is the remainder of my regimen which is a work in progress! proxiphen ru in kb solution minoxidil in kb solution vpa in almond oil capillogain saba gel(next month) custom hairline topical (tbd) hair compounds mixed in ice tea: msm l-methionine horsetail lcysteine ribofalvin b2 biotin folic acid branch chain amino acids quercetin zinc oxide hair topical mix 1 (3x week) adensine sesa oil sweet almond oil black caster oil hair topical mix 2 in zioms vehicle algae extract, vitaminc licorice extract, aloe vera 10xconcentrate, hydrolyed wheat protein, provitamin b5 hair tonic mistry oral pills dutasteride finasteride bacfo hairbac deva hair vitamins shampoos revita mistry aloe vera ih9 shampoo

here is what i will be adding in the future will be adding this shampoo.http://theskinrevolution.com/_restore.html will be adding this oil. used it before and its really great http://www.amazon.com/Parachut...ds=parachute+hair+oil will be dropping minoxidil sulfate for this http://www.amazon.com/Lipogain...ds=lipogaine+for+men. be adding a formulated a powdered that contains only raw fruits, vegetables, herbs and botanicals. from the skinrevolution. this will be my vehicle my scalp topical. adding The Nutrient Veil from the skin revoultion which is an all purpose treatment, it has the consistency of water and I use it as a nutritious splash, like a high-tech aloe treatment. It contains some of the fabulous ingredients such as AC-11 and coconut endosperm.

 

[resu]

Why so many compounds? RU, finasteride and dutasteride would take care of your hair for years to come, some oils to take care of the scalp and whatnot, your regime is still very excessive.

 

[israelite]

Each attacks hairloss from a different angle. I believe nuke the hairline and go natural throughout the scalp

 

[resu]

It can't be good for the liver though, I would seriously reduce that list if you want to make it past 40.

 

[Liron1991]

shalom israelite :jump:
very good results
can you upload update picture please??