Revivogen and folligen
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Dice_Has_Hair
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For one, you shouldn't have any sides from these two. I have used both. I still use folligen. Revivogen is descent, but still suffered from the temporal and frontal area. I am not much of a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor fan, I think the the anti androgens are superior. You could give both, the revivogen and the folligen a try. I really like the folligen, especially after I added it to my minoxidil regime, my hair grew even faster. It's good for inflammation as well. Might even act as an SOD. I would stick with the folligen solution spray. Its stronger than the cream or lotion and it will easily go anywhere on the head, while the cream and the lotion is better for the hairline area, since it is hard to apply in denser areas. If the folligen spray is too potent for you, basically if it irritates your scalp, mix some with water, 50/50 water/ folligen. Then try to gradually graduate to full strength. I would apply the solution with dropper, since using the spray head will just waste it. Oh and you don't want to experience any further loss like you would with minoxidil? Well, hate to say, but with just about any topical, you will have a shed, thats just the way it is bro. Hope I was helpful.Big Si said:
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Thanks for the info, was thinking about the cream as it's mainly my temples and hairline thats effected (for now anyway) and thought the cream would be less hassle to apply in the morning than a solution, as I don't need to apply all over at the moment, would you advise the cream in this instance?
Also my understanding was that revivogen was both a dht inhibitor and an anti androgen, and that folligen was specifically a stimulant and Sod?
Also my understanding was that revivogen was both a dht inhibitor and an anti androgen, and that folligen was specifically a stimulant and Sod?
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You are correct, but I think that revivogen "is more" of a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, than an anti androgen. I think the only thing in revivogen that acts as an anti androgen is saw palmetto and there really isn't alot of knowledge to how saw palmetto works for hairloss......making it one of those toss up treatments based on anecdotal data. But like I said, revivogen won't hurt, but I would choose spironolactone over it, then if you want then use the revivogen.Big Si said:
As for folligen, the cream would work fine for the hairline area. But, the cream takes a while to soak in, so if you were gonna go anywhere, you would have to wait a while. If you use the solution, it absorbs much faster and when dry is hardly even detectable to the eye.
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Huh?! Would you care to elaborate on this? As far as I know no topical antiandrogens have been shown to be more effective than the big 3. I hope you are not talking about any systemic anti-androgen because the idea is to maintain/regrow hair not to prepare for a sex change. So are you implying that something is better than finasteride or are you just saying that topical antiandrogens are better than topical 5areductase inhibitors?
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I believe that topical anti androgens are superior to topical 5 alpha reductase inhibitors. Why? Well, topical anti androgens will protect the follicle from, not from "just" DHT, but testosterone as well. I have heard and read that testosterone itself will have an impact on the follicle, not just DHT. Now, 5 alpha reductase inhibitors will keep the conversion of test to DHT down, but that still leaves some DHT and test to cling to the follicle and do there magic. Now.............what about finasteride? Well, its supposed to reduce DHT by 5 alpha reductase inhibition, kinda like how the topicals inhibitors are supposed to do the same thing. I have read I don't know how many posts of people using the BIG 3 that are f*****g depressed as hell. Not to say that finasteride doesn't work, I am sure it does its job......I wouldn't know, I am not on finasteride or dutasteride either one. I really think that the people that are on the BIG 3 would GREATLY benefit from an anti androgen( topical). Now, actually taking anti androgens orally, would work very well......but that would really be bad for sides of course, so I wouldn't recommend it. I would never do it. Some have though :freaked:Dinzy said:
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So which anti androgens are we talking about? Crinagen etc?
Any you would recommend?
Also, going back to a previous post, it was my understanding that saw palmetto, if it does work, is not an anti androgen but an inhibitor, as it suposedly works in the same way as propecia, and is recommended for male pattern baldness as the tests that have been done on it refer to the overactive prostate problem that finasteride was originaly designed for, the theory being if it does one then it does the other.
I would be interested to know what your current regimen is and if you have had any good results so far.
Any you would recommend?
Also, going back to a previous post, it was my understanding that saw palmetto, if it does work, is not an anti androgen but an inhibitor, as it suposedly works in the same way as propecia, and is recommended for male pattern baldness as the tests that have been done on it refer to the overactive prostate problem that finasteride was originaly designed for, the theory being if it does one then it does the other.
I would be interested to know what your current regimen is and if you have had any good results so far.
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Okay, well I am refurring to anti androgens like spironolactone and fluridil. I would recommend either one. Crinagen is a lot like revivogen, I believe it is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor.Big Si said:
My regime for my male pattern baldness is:
Morning application:
#1. Take a shower and wash hair of course.
#2. Towel dry hair - no need to over dry, still want the scalp hydrated so it'll absorb my applications better.
#3. Apply 2% spironolactone solution. Even though it comes with a dabber, I preferr to use dropper to apply. Just my opinion.
#4. Apply 5% Xandrox.
Style then done for that.
Midday application:
#1. Apply 2% spironolactone.
Nighttime application:
#1. Take shower - no need to wash hair - just wet hair and scalp thoroughly.
#2. Towel dry - just like morning.
#3. Apply Folligen Therapy spray - again........I use dropper. I think using spray head just wastes too much.
#4. Let it dry a bit.
#5. Apply 2% spironolactone
#6. Let dry
#7. Apply 15% Xandrox
#8. Let it dry for a while.
#9. Apply 5% spironolactone lotion to the temporal and frontal areas - those areas are the problem areas. Just have to make sure that the scalp is pretty dry before application of 5%spironolactone lotion - it might degrade the spironolactone lotion if it is wet.
#10. Let that dry a bit.
#11. Apply Emu oil to scalp. The emu oil acts as a very good vehicle to shove most of everything into scalp. Using DMSO might be an overkill. Also, emu oil is supposed to have hair growing properies and very good anti-inflammatory properties. It's supposed to be over all good for scalp and hair.
By the way I use Dr. Lee's Regrowth shampoo. It is basically 2% nizoral mixed with 3% salicylic acid. I use it about 3 times a week(Monday,Wednesday,Friday). I use the 1% pyrithione zinc shampoo(Head n' shoulders) on the days I don't use the Regrowth shampoo.
Yes, the nighttime application is quite the ugliest application I have ever seen,LOL!!! Thats why I save it for nighttime, right before bed.
As you can see, I don't have Propecia, Proscar, or Dutasteride in my regime. I have been thinking about adding it though, thinking it may enhance everything by a lot. I know, some people that will read this may think I am doing everything *** backwards, ya know, making Propecia one of the last choices. I am gonna talk to my doctor and see if there is any way to get my insurance provider to cover finasteride. If not, then I'll just get it over the internet. It'll be cheaper that way.
As far as my results go, I have been on this regime for about a year and a half ( since December of 2003). I have had really good success at stopping the fallout, maintaing and regrowing too. My hairline has really improved........still needs some density, but slowly and surley getting there.
Any other questions, please ask, I'll answer.
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From what I have read, spironolactone has a short life, so how long each application lasts for effectively doing its job is questionable. Thats why I apply it often. Haven't had any bad sides from it, only good results.kevinme said:
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Can't fault your dedication bro, I'm thinking of bringing in a specific anti androgen into my regimen, but wonder if I would also benefit from a topical inhibitor to go with the propecia which should be winging its way to me.
Where do you buy your spironolactone from? have checked a few places on the net, but buying quality and saving bucks is the name of the game.
Where do you buy your spironolactone from? have checked a few places on the net, but buying quality and saving bucks is the name of the game.
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It wouldn't hurt to throw in a topical inhibitor to go with Propecia. They would work together. I get my spironolactone from Dr. Lee and his website is http://www.minoxidil.comBig Si said:
You have to do an online consultation with him to obtain his topicals. The online consultation is free, but if you decide to buy his products, your first order will have an extra 20 dollar fee added to it, but it is one time only fee, so its not that bad of a deal. You can then, after the consultation is done then obtain his topicals and email him anytime you wish.