Revivogen vs. Crinagen

[meltwater]

Why every one on the face of this earth is using revivogen when crinagen contains not only the exact ingredients (except for no Beta-Sitostero [btw anyone knows what it is, even revivogen site does not talk about it though it talks about other ingredietns]) but crinagen also contains many many more too.
Revivogen Ingredients vs. Crinagen Ingredients:-
REVIVOGEN:
SD alcohol, Gamma Linolenic acid, Alpha Linolenic acid, Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid, Azaleic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw Palmetto Extract, Beta-Sitosterol and eidin Oligomers (also known as Proanthocyanidin).

CRINAGEN
Water, Gamma linolenic acid, Alpha linolenic acid, Linoleic acid, Oleic acid, Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw palmetto Extract, (no Beta-Sitostero in Crinagenl) Proanthocyanidins (procyanidin oligomers,
EXTRAS in Crinagen:
Riboflavin , Niacin, Ginkgo biloba, Arachidonic acid, Palmitoleic acid, Tea tree oil, Witch hazel extract, Epilobium augustifolium, Epilobium parviflorum, , Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol)

Please let me know as I want to use Crinagen for it does not have alcohol.

 

[Guest]

Why every one on the face of this earth is using revivogen when crinagen contains not only the exact ingredients (except for no Beta-Sitostero [btw anyone knows what it is, even revivogen site does not talk about it though it talks about other ingredietns]) but crinagen also contains many many more too.
Revivogen Ingredients vs. Crinagen Ingredients:-
REVIVOGEN:
SD alcohol, Gamma Linolenic acid, Alpha Linolenic acid, Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid, Azaleic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw Palmetto Extract, Beta-Sitosterol and eidin Oligomers (also known as Proanthocyanidin).

CRINAGEN
Water, Gamma linolenic acid, Alpha linolenic acid, Linoleic acid, Oleic acid, Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw palmetto Extract, (no Beta-Sitostero in Crinagenl) Proanthocyanidins (procyanidin oligomers,
EXTRAS in Crinagen:
Riboflavin , Niacin, Ginkgo biloba, Arachidonic acid, Palmitoleic acid, Tea tree oil, Witch hazel extract, Epilobium augustifolium, Epilobium parviflorum, , Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol)

Please let me know as I want to use Crinagen for it does not have alcohol.

I recently dropped propecia and added crinagen for the exact reasons you state. So far, so good.

Good luck

 

[meltwater]

Hi Brucelee,
Your reply is like an encouragement for I am on propecia for around 8 months and I am almost fed up of it. I want to drop it and add some non-drug alternative. Furthermore I hate alcohol and so chose crinagen as it is free from alcohol but haven't started yet. Propecia alone has given excellent regrowth but I had read somewhere that it gives good results for overall thinning so many not be very impressive with sleek hair loss/recedding hair lines. So I started it over last year at age 31 with hair loss for around many years. Initial experice was a loss in libido and some times extreme depression. I could understand that it is because of proecia but i continued. The problem with it that I trust it as an effective hair regrowth drug but I do not want to use a synthetic chemical for long-term. Psychologically its very disturbing as anything that happens from pain in the breast side or colored urine, the mind immediately goes to propecia. It has given very impressive regrowth and now all I want is to keep the hair growth. I have read a lot on hair loss. For crinagen one thing is SP in it . gourmetstylewellness.com says about the uselessness of saw palmetto but the revivogen site clearly states that it blocks both types of 5-AR. Similarly there are two more things that I would like to add here to people on this forum. Many researches have concluded that excess fat, especially animal fat contributes to enhanced levels of testosterone/DHT[I don't remember exactly which one]. Like people in Japan around 50 years back had low fat food and no hair loss. Similarly for all the scientific research today on hair loss, you can see that today people are getting hair loss at far earlier ages. For example even if I am genetically destines , what my father was at 40 I am at 30. Same for most young with genetic thing, their elders did not get bald at the age at which they are getting. Similarly no one knows why during one's youth when DHT is at its heighest, talking of the elder generation, and even today, why no hair loss at that time but in one's thirites (usually, although there are even younger cases today). Why it used to be at a more advanced age like one's forties just three decades earlier? Science is an art at best. One art thing that I read in newsweek is that if there is a large difference in the height of the index and ring fingers then the level of testosterone is also high by virtue of body chemistry/psychology etc. So such people with genetic thing also, should take more care in their youth.
1) Sorry for irrelevant details. Now I am planning to drop propecia and add folligen and crinagen together. What do you think will they be able to keep what I got from propeica? Any experiences.
2) Also propecia site says that hair gained with propecia will be lost in a year if treatment is discoontinued but another hair site said it will take 3-4 years to reverse. What are other people's experiences on this.

meltwater
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[meltwater]

"Researchers based at the University of Rochester in New York found that adding vitamin E to prostate cancer cells inhibits the production of a receptor for testosterone, called the androgen receptor (AR), which is needed in order for the cancer to grow and develop. "

http://www.quantumhealth.com/js_na/CLUESVITE.htm

Thus Vitamin E should help hair loss by inhibiting (5?)AR. Crinagen has Vitamin E but Revivoigen doesn't.

 

[Guest]

Interesting. Thanks

 

[lordhair]

Isn't it vitamin E taken orally that will inhibit the androgen receptor?

Thanks for the advice though meltwater, I have just ordered revivogen but may switch to crinagen instead once I have used up the current supply

according to this

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/s ... 72,00.html

Beta-Sitosterol acts in a similar way to Saw Palmetto (mild anti-DHT effect?)

 

[meltwater]

I guess SP, beta-S, Vit E, all will work with varying degrees whether taken orally or topically. The only think with topical application is to get it absorbed to reach the right place. This is not the case with all drugs coz they need to be metabolised e.g. in the liver. Seems like so. Some pharmacologist might help here.
What about the two problems I am facing, e.g. using folligen and crinagen to retain hair grown by propecia and how long will it take for these hair to disappear if nothing is done? please comment if any body has experience.

meltwater
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[Guest]

I guess SP, beta-S, Vit E, all will work with varying degrees whether taken orally or topically. The only think with topical application is to get it absorbed to reach the right place. This is not the case with all drugs coz they need to be metabolised e.g. in the liver. Seems like so. Some pharmacologist might help here.
What about the two problems I am facing, e.g. using folligen and crinagen to retain hair grown by propecia and how long will it take for these hair to disappear if nothing is done? please comment if any body has experience.

meltwater
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The issue of using crinagen and folligen is one of zinc competing with copper. I think this might render both treatments useless.

I am currently using crinagen and dropped folligen for that reason.

 

[meltwater]

No that is possibly wrong. Remember some time back I posted (as a guest CuZn) on this same issue. I have done extensive research on this issue and find out both to be compatible when taken topically or even orally if both are taken adequately. This is for the following reasons:
1) As Crinagen person told me, and as I mentioned earlier also there is a difference between nutrients competing in the intestine and on the skin. The reason is something like this: there is a fixed number of "cells" that can absorb copper and the same cells absorb zinc and iron etc. So if one in excess the other is not absorbed in good quantities which leaves one above normal in the body and the other below normal. This problem can be rectified by having adequate quantities of all competing nutrients in proper ratios so that those cells get equal chance on absorbing them.

2) I have asked Dr. Proctor of Proxiphen-N and he says that it contains both zinc and copper and he is unaware of any problem that both of these can pose when applied topically. Proxiphen-N is in use for a decade and this problem never cropped up.

3) As I mentioned in no. 1 above the problem can be rectified by having adequate quantities of all competing nutrients in proper ratios so that those cells get equal chance on absorbing them. If u apply both folligen and crinagen you are doing the same. Though it is not required topically becaue there is no competition topcially as both will be absorbed into the skin. So there is a difference in skin absorption and body absorption. And even if there is competition, you are supplying both of them as a good rul so no worries.

4) Even Loren Pickart talks about the adequacy thing on its website that if both copper and zinc are adequate there is no harm. The problem arises only when quantity of one of them is increased. If both are adequate, nothing happens.

Remember by stopping folligen you are reversing all the good effect of it. Soon copper will automatically be low in the hair cells and the good effect of folligen will be gone. I have read in folligen testimonials that when folligen use is stopped, its effects are reversed more quickly than propecia. So I have planned to use both. Similarly, folligen has been shown to grow new hair more but crinagen hasn't. Crinagen is good at maintenance and folligen takes care of other issues. SO both should work hand in hand. And I am hopeful that both when taken together won't let the hair grown from propecia fall out. Even they can increase the hair over long run. Both are non-drug, and if you want to add some drug, use spironolactone cream also with them and everything should be fine. But I will give these two alone a chance.

meltwater
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[Guest]

No that is possibly wrong. Remember some time back I posted (as a guest CuZn) on this same issue. I have done extensive research on this issue and find out both to be compatible when taken topically or even orally if both are taken adequately. This is for the following reasons:
1) As Crinagen person told me, and as I mentioned earlier also there is a difference between nutrients competing in the intestine and on the skin. The reason is something like this: there is a fixed number of "cells" that can absorb copper and the same cells absorb zinc and iron etc. So if one in excess the other is not absorbed in good quantities which leaves one above normal in the body and the other below normal. This problem can be rectified by having adequate quantities of all competing nutrients in proper ratios so that those cells get equal chance on absorbing them.

2) I have asked Dr. Proctor of Proxiphen-N and he says that it contains both zinc and copper and he is unaware of any problem that both of these can pose when applied topically. Proxiphen-N is in use for a decade and this problem never cropped up.

3) As I mentioned in no. 1 above the problem can be rectified by having adequate quantities of all competing nutrients in proper ratios so that those cells get equal chance on absorbing them. If u apply both folligen and crinagen you are doing the same. Though it is not required topically becaue there is no competition topcially as both will be absorbed into the skin. So there is a difference in skin absorption and body absorption. And even if there is competition, you are supplying both of them as a good rul so no worries.

4) Even Loren Pickart talks about the adequacy thing on its website that if both copper and zinc are adequate there is no harm. The problem arises only when quantity of one of them is increased. If both are adequate, nothing happens.

Remember by stopping folligen you are reversing all the good effect of it. Soon copper will automatically be low in the hair cells and the good effect of folligen will be gone. I have read in folligen testimonials that when folligen use is stopped, its effects are reversed more quickly than propecia. So I have planned to use both. Similarly, folligen has been shown to grow new hair more but crinagen hasn't. Crinagen is good at maintenance and folligen takes care of other issues. SO both should work hand in hand. And I am hopeful that both when taken together won't let the hair grown from propecia fall out. Even they can increase the hair over long run. Both are non-drug, and if you want to add some drug, use spironolactone cream also with them and everything should be fine. But I will give these two alone a chance.

meltwater
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I had asked Drl Pickart about this and he gave me an equivocal answer, to the effect that zinc had not been proven to be effective against male pattern baldness so I might as well use copper peptides, since they had.

However, I would be happy to continue folligen since it has been very effective for me.

I appreciate this information.

 

[Guest]

folligen

BTW-I think that I will do my evening routine as follows:

Crinagen-wait till dries

Minoxidil-wait 20 minutes

Folligen Therapy Spray as last topical.

Thoughts??

 

[meltwater]

This is an excellent routine but I would not continue Minoxidil for long-term as this is once again a drug however very less concern should be put on this topical treatment as compared to oral propecia. There might be one problem with dropping minoxidil i.e. Crinagen and Folligen together might help maintain but probably very less effective (depends on case to case) in growing new hair. If I were in your place, I would drop minoxidil once I have reached the target hair growth. As Dr. Lee has written that in many cases of prostate with testosterone permanently removed, hair loss was halted but no hair regrowth was seen until a growth stimulant was given. Hence, Crinagen+Folligen alone may be very good at stopping further loss + maintaining but may not be very effective at regrowth. So it all depends upon the target. Another problem is that I have a hunch that Crinagen+Folligen (esp. crinagen) will keep the hair grown from propeica and not minoxidil. There is no proof but it might be so as minoxidil does not maintain hair grown from propecia. So if you are using minoxidil., be prep to use it for life or when u will drop it, you will start losing hair grown from it and then not be able to see whether Crinagen+Folligen is maintaining propecia grown hair or not. But no one knows, as Crinagen+Folligen might maintain hair grown from both propecia and minoxidil. All I can say is Good Luck!

meltwater
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[Guest]

This is an excellent routine but I would not continue Minoxidil for long-term as this is once again a drug however very less concern should be put on this topical treatment as compared to oral propecia. There might be one problem with dropping minoxidil i.e. Crinagen and Folligen together might help maintain but probably very less effective (depends on case to case) in growing new hair. If I were in your place, I would drop minoxidil once I have reached the target hair growth. As Dr. Lee has written that in many cases of prostate with testosterone permanently removed, hair loss was halted but no hair regrowth was seen until a growth stimulant was given. Hence, Crinagen+Folligen alone may be very good at stopping further loss + maintaining but may not be very effective at regrowth. So it all depends upon the target. Another problem is that I have a hunch that Crinagen+Folligen (esp. crinagen) will keep the hair grown from propeica and not minoxidil. There is no proof but it might be so as minoxidil does not maintain hair grown from propecia. So if you are using minoxidil., be prep to use it for life or when u will drop it, you will start losing hair grown from it and then not be able to see whether Crinagen+Folligen is maintaining propecia grown hair or not. But no one knows, as Crinagen+Folligen might maintain hair grown from both propecia and minoxidil. All I can say is Good Luck!

meltwater
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I have been using minoxidil for over 15 yrs. folligen for about 7 yrs. These are my staples. Crinagen is new for me.

 

[meltwater]

15 yrs. ...phew. fine. Did u notice any significant improvement when you added folligen to minoxidil?
Also if you are adding crinagen for frontal growth, (as minoxidil is usually only helpful for vertex only), did u try adding retin-A as Loren Pickart has written that retin-A with minoxidil is good at both frontal area and the vertex.

meltwater
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[Guest]

15 yrs. ...phew. fine. Did u notice any significant improvement when you added folligen to minoxidil?
Also if you are adding crinagen for frontal growth, (as minoxidil is usually only helpful for vertex only), did u try adding retin-A as Loren Pickart has written that retin-A with minoxidil is good at both frontal area and the vertex.

meltwater
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Yes. In my case, folligen helps thicken up hair shafts, keeps pigment in hair, and calms the scalp. I have not added retin A as I am pretty pleased about my regimen right now and have enough stuff to put on my scalp as it is.

PS-in my case, folligen directly effects daily shedding patterns in a positive way.

 

[meltwater]

By the way pal, I have searched the hell out of the web and everywhere people have talked bad of crinagen except for one person the only positive thing that he talked about crinagen was that Raztec people do keep their word and returned his $107 as money back guarantee for crinagen not working. Mostly people either talked about increased hair loss after starting crinagen. In cases where there was no shedding, people kept it up for long periods of time and just to see that it does nothing. But there are three things: 1) all of them have crinagen alone and not with some other combination, so crinagen might work good with some combo like folligen. 2) Revivogen has the same and somewhat inferior formula as mentioned earlier but people have not talked bad about it (except some who had to stopped it for no result or for burning scalp [alcohol base, crinagen has water instead!]) even when using it alone. Why it does not do any shedding but crinagen does? 3) Revivogen site has testimonials but crinagen site does not have any. I wrote them twice for testimonials but they did not reply. Also web is full of revivogen users but crinagen users have been very very rare. Why so. Here one thing comes to mind i.e. may be most people who used crinagen got excellent results and did not need to come to the web again. Hope so that they are living happily as I have yet to start it.

meltwater
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[Guest]

By the way pal, I have searched the hell out of the web and everywhere people have talked bad of crinagen except for one person the only positive thing that he talked about crinagen was that Raztec people do keep their word and returned his $107 as money back guarantee for crinagen not working. Mostly people either talked about increased hair loss after starting crinagen. In cases where there was no shedding, people kept it up for long periods of time and just to see that it does nothing. But there are three things: 1) all of them have crinagen alone and not with some other combination, so crinagen might work good with some combo like folligen. 2) Revivogen has the same and somewhat inferior formula as mentioned earlier but people have not talked bad about it (except some who had to stopped it for no result or for burning scalp [alcohol base, crinagen has water instead!]) even when using it alone. Why it does not do any shedding but crinagen does? 3) Revivogen site has testimonials but crinagen site does not have any. I wrote them twice for testimonials but they did not reply. Also web is full of revivogen users but crinagen users have been very very rare. Why so. Here one thing comes to mind i.e. may be most people who used crinagen got excellent results and did not need to come to the web again. Hope so that they are living happily as I have yet to start it.

meltwater
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Hard to know. So far, my three weeks on crinagen have been uneventful. No sheds or other concerns. I AM happy to be off propecia and enjoying the return to some normalacy of sorts.

AND, propecia did grow hair for me too!

 

[Bryan]

Why every one on the face of this earth is using revivogen when crinagen contains not only the exact ingredients (except for no Beta-Sitostero but crinagen also contains many many more too.

No offense to all you Crinagen users out there, but I still have a lot more confidence in Revivogen than I do Crinagen. I think simply comparing the ingredients lists of the two products is highly deceptive. I strongly suspect that Revivogen contains a lot more of the active fatty acids than Crinagen.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Why every one on the face of this earth is using revivogen when crinagen contains not only the exact ingredients (except for no Beta-Sitostero but crinagen also contains many many more too.

No offense to all you Crinagen users out there, but I still have a lot more confidence in Revivogen than I do Crinagen. I think simply comparing the ingredients lists of the two products is highly deceptive. I strongly suspect that Revivogen contains a lot more of the active fatty acids than Crinagen.

Bryan

Bryan, that WOULD be significant and at the risk of insulting you (which I don't want to do), why do you "strongly suspect" this?

Thanks

:lol:

 

[Bryan]

I've seen posts implying that Crinagen isn't as oily or greasy as Revivogen, which would seem to support what I said. Would you agree with those posts, Bruce? Is Crinagen more of a "watery" type of solution? I've never never used it, myself.

Bryan