Revivogen vs. Crinagen

[Guest]

I've seen posts implying that Crinagen isn't as oily or greasy as Revivogen, which would seem to support what I said. Would you agree with those posts, Bruce? Is Crinagen more of a "watery" type of solution? I've never never used it, myself.

Bryan

I have never used Revivogen so I can't comment on that. Certainly, crinagen is not oily in the way of minoxidil, for example. It dries on its own in about 20-30 minutes. It does contain polysorbate 20, which I think is also in folligen spray. I THINK that may explain the realative lightness of the base liquid.

Good question for Crinagen folks. I will email them.

Thanksl

 

[meltwater]

Abundant presence of revivogen might be a result of their marketing rather than effectiveness. For complaints against Crinagen, now there is a point that the more effective fatty acid concentration might be greater in revivogen so it might really be more effective the crinagen. Bruce, I shall be looking forward to the reply to your query from crinagen folks.

meltwater
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[Bryan]

I have never used Revivogen so I can't comment on that. Certainly, crinagen is not oily in the way of minoxidil, for example.

Even though it may not SEEM terribly scientific, I think this is pretty good evidence: Revivogen is _quite_ oily, so it seems like it must surely have more fatty acids in it.

Bryan

 

[Bryan]

BTW, it's extremely unlikely that anybody could get any of these companies to divulge the exact quantities of the substances used in their product. I think it's only a remote possibility that Bruce will get the Crinagen people to say anything about the amount of fatty acids they use.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

BTW, it's extremely unlikely that anybody could get any of these companies to divulge the exact quantities of the substances used in their product. I think it's only a remote possibility that Bruce will get the Crinagen people to say anything about the amount of fatty acids they use.

Bryan

I would agree with that but we will give it a go!

 

[Guest]

In theory, the manufacturers are supposed to list the ingredients in the order of their volume. Can we not infer something from reading the ingredients of each sequentially? Is the absolute quantity of crinagen and reviv the same, ie. do they recommend the same dosage quantity with each application?

BTW- I apply crinagen with a dropper and exceed the dosage that they recommend, ie. 7 squirts.

 

[jonesycash]

crinagin vs revivogen

I've seen posts implying that Crinagen isn't as oily or greasy as Revivogen, which would seem to support what I said. Would you agree with those posts, Bruce? Is Crinagen more of a "watery" type of solution? I've never never used it, myself.

Bryan

I have never used Revivogen so I can't comment on that. Certainly, crinagen is not oily in the way of minoxidil, for example. It dries on its own in about 20-30 minutes. It does contain polysorbate 20, which I think is also in folligen spray. I THINK that may explain the realative lightness of the base liquid.

Good question for Crinagen folks. I will email them.

Thanksl

Bruce,

Any reply from the Crinagin folks? Would you mind describing your crinagin routine in more detail--how many times a day, how much each time? The sheet I received with my Crinagin recommended applying polysorbate 20 separately in addition to Crinagin. Do you have any experience with this?

I've been on Crinagin for three weeks now, along with nizoral 1%.

Thanks

 

[Guest]

Re: crinagin vs revivogen

I've seen posts implying that Crinagen isn't as oily or greasy as Revivogen, which would seem to support what I said. Would you agree with those posts, Bruce? Is Crinagen more of a "watery" type of solution? I've never never used it, myself.

Bryan

I have never used Revivogen so I can't comment on that. Certainly, crinagen is not oily in the way of minoxidil, for example. It dries on its own in about 20-30 minutes. It does contain polysorbate 20, which I think is also in folligen spray. I THINK that may explain the realative lightness of the base liquid.

Good question for Crinagen folks. I will email them.

Thanksl

Bruce,

Any reply from the Crinagin folks? Would you mind describing your crinagin routine in more detail--how many times a day, how much each time? The sheet I received with my Crinagin recommended applying polysorbate 20 separately in addition to Crinagin. Do you have any experience with this?

I've been on Crinagin for three weeks now, along with nizoral 1%.

Thanks

I did not get a chance to email them.

On the crinagen, I use a dropper and apply it morning and evening. Rub it in briskly and it dries in about 15 minutes or so.

I believe that crinagen has polysorbate 20 in it and that they recommend using polysorbate 80 (diluted) from time to time to aid absorption. I have not done this.

Since I follow my crinagen up with minoxidil and folligen (at night), I believe that these two drugs actually help the crinagen get absorbed more effectively.

Good luck with your routine.

 

[HAIRLOSSMILITANT]

IMO, Revivogen's liposome delivery system is by far better than Crinagen's system. So obviously, we have to measure what delivers inside the scalp better.

 

[ColtsFan]

Bryan,

In the past you have said that instead of using Revivo OR spironolactone, why not use both?

Would you say its best to use spironolactone one day and then revivo the next or actually use both products on the same day.

I saw your Dr P photos a while back, and was wondering if you were able to fill in your crown using spironolactone,prox, and revivo?

thanks

 

[eidos]

RE: zync and copper compatibility. Here's the answer i received on the same question at a certain privately operated newsgroup:

"Zinc and copper compete in the gut but not on the scalp. Dr. Proctor has
comfirmed this."

I don't know who Dr. Proctor is, but i'll go along as revivogen + folligen was my first choice before i learned of the compatibility debate.

 

[rill]

Does anybody know how long dht-leevels in the scalp stay low after using revivogen, assuming that it works.

 

[Bryan]

I don't know who Dr. Proctor is...

Dr. Proctor has been researching hairloss and ways to treat it for many years here in Houston. He has a line of products (Proxiphen, Prox-N, and NANO Shampoo) which attack the problem in ways that no other treatment does. Check it out at: http://www.drproctor.com

Bryan

 

[Bryan]

Does anybody know how long dht-leevels in the scalp stay low after using revivogen, assuming that it works.

That's a difficult question to answer! However, to possibly get some small clue about it, read the following patent information (scroll down to the testing near the end) at this link...it describes how GLA was applied to one side of a human forehead, and sebum production on that side was significantly reduced after only 6 days, but it took 16 days for it to recover completely after cessation of the treatment:

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parse ... PN/5605929

Here' a quote from the relevant passage:

"After the borage oil application was stopped and the L/R ratio recovered to 1.33, 20 mg of pure .gamma.-LA was applied to the left forehead twice each day for 6 days. The L/R ratio decreased to 0.22 during this period. After the .gamma.-LA application was stopped, the L/R ratio recovered slowly to 1.20.+-.0.14 over the period of 16 days. The finding clearly showed that .gamma.-LA was superior than borage oil in quickly suppressing sebum production from forehead of a human male subject."

Bryan

 

[ColtsFan]

Bryan,

I thought you have said in the past plain old borage oil would not work topically? I though ALA or GLA had to be in some other form to make a difference, while in this study it appears the just applied basic borage oil.

thanks

 

[Bryan]

Their testing showed that it worked, but very POORLY. If you read that whole article (not just the excerpt I posted), you'll see that they speculate that the mild effect from the borage oil may have come about from some natural enzymes in the skin which helped to de-esterify the oil to some extent. But the effect is minimal, compared to applying free fatty acids directly.

Bryan

 

[ColtsFan]

Bryan,
so Im assuming to date the best form of ala/gla is going to be contained in revivogen and crinagen? Have you been able to source the oil in its pure form with out all the other stuff they put in these two products?

thanks

 

[Bryan]

Bryan,
so Im assuming to date the best form of ala/gla is going to be contained in revivogen and crinagen?

Well, your question is slightly ambiguous, so let me explain:

I can't comment at all on Crinagen, because I don't have the slightest idea about the quantity of fatty acids in that product, or how the company obtains them. However, I do know a little bit about Revivogen: they apparently have a chemical company take natural oils like borage oil and/or flax oil and de-esterify them en masse. What's neat about that is that they can then completely bypass the purification process (which would add a LOT to the cost), because there's no particular REASON to separate and purify the individual fatty acids! So they save a lot of money that way! When a sucker like you or me tries to buy individual fatty acids like GLA, ALA, LA, etc. from a chemical company, a lot of the cost comes from the purification process. That's why we pay through the nose, like $50/gram for pure GLA, or thereabouts! If the people who make Revivogen did that, too, the product would be even a lot more expensive than it already is! :shock:

However, after a lot of searching, I did finally run across a source of pure LA (linoleic acid) from a chemical company that was reasonably-priced enough for this particular purpose. I'm experimenting with it.

Have you been able to source the oil in its pure form with out all the other stuff they put in these two products?

Just linoleic acid (see above).

Bryan

 

[ColtsFan]

Bryan,

Let us know how your experience goes with the pure oil. If this oil can purchased by the general public, I would be interested in a contact name and number. Thanks for the info....

 

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