Same results with Dr. Lee's #500 as with Rogaine?

[amsch]

Hi there.

Just wanted to ask wether dr. lee's #500 should have the same effect on the hair as rogaine 5% liquid does. I'm afraid because i've heard that less ppg could cause less effect. However, I don't like that rogaine takes pretty long to dry.

Any experiences/suggestions on that?

 

[gjp2222]

First of all, other than the standard Rogaine formulation, no other hybrid formula has been clinically tested. They have all been touted as more cosmetically acceptable, but beyond that its anybodys guess as far as effectiveness. Anyone who makes a statement otherwise, I ask to back it up with clinical evidence. If you want sometime whose results are known, stick with a minoxidil formulation that is exactly as per Rogaine.

 

[amsch]

Yeah thanks, that's definately true.

However, i'd really like to see some experiences.

 

[amsch]

Anyone? Cassin?

 

[Cassin]

I'm afraid because i've heard that less ppg could cause less effect.

What does PPG have to do with anything?

I think PPG was mainly to be used as a scalp conditioner...

Bryan has a study that shows higher alcohol content relates to higher effectiveness.

 

[gjp2222]

I'm afraid because i've heard that less ppg could cause less effect.

What does PPG have to do with anything?

I think PPG was mainly to be used as a scalp conditioner...

Bryan has a study that shows higher alcohol content relates to higher effectiveness.

PPG may contribute to the growth effects of minoxdil liquid. PPG is a known skin irritant, not scalp conditioner. Skin irritants are known to illicit hair growth in numerous studies.

The study Bryan presented used mouse skin. Human skin does not absorb in the same manner, so one cannot make that assumption.

 

[Cassin]

I'm afraid because i've heard that less ppg could cause less effect.

What does PPG have to do with anything?

I think PPG was mainly to be used as a scalp conditioner...

Bryan has a study that shows higher alcohol content relates to higher effectiveness.

PPG may contribute to the growth effects of minoxdil liquid. PPG is a known skin irritant, not scalp conditioner. Skin irritants are known to illicit hair growth in numerous studies.

The study Bryan presented used mouse skin. Human skin does not absorb in the same manner, so one cannot make that assumption.

You use the word "may" and then tell me discount what I said because the study may not be the same with humans? You can't have it both ways. Discount facts with facts. Is the skin of mice the same as humans? Of course not. But that doesn't mean the entire theory is false.

On Dr Pickarts website he says PPG was mainly used since it is a skin conditioner along with a delivery vehicle, although on Dr Lees site there is some study from the 40's or 50's showing it is an irritant. Doesn't matter....if Dr Pickart says it was originally thought of as a skin conditioner for rogaine thats good enough for me. They are on there somewhere if you care to look. I used to have that PPG comment bookmarked but lost it when he revamped that awful website.

My opinion has always been...if it hurts your scalp don't use it. PPG caused me massive irritation..foam and Dr Lees does not.

But nonetheless lets be fair. There is so much of this we simply do not know. I wish we had hard studies comparing everything against each other. I am sure we can agree on that.

 

[gjp2222]

You use the word "may" and then tell me discount what I said because the study may not be the same with humans? You can't have it both ways. Discount facts with facts. Is the skin of mice the same as humans? Of course not. But that doesn't mean the entire theory is false.

First, the term "may" in the context of my statements notes a high likelihood that an action will occur based on scientific studies. It would be foolish of me to say with 100% certainty that any action "will" occur without exceptions. I am sure there are a few things in life when this is possible, but this is not one of them. Secondly, mouse skin does not absorb in the same manner as human skin, this has been proven in a study.

On Dr Pickarts website he says PPG was mainly used since it is a skin conditioner along with a delivery vehicle, although on Dr Lees site there is some study from the 40's or 50's showing it is an irritant. Doesn't matter....if Dr Pickart says it was originally thought of as a skin conditioner for rogaine thats good enough for me. They are on there somewhere if you care to look. I used to have that PPG comment bookmarked but lost it when he revamped that awful website.

Fact...propylene gylcol is listed on MSD data sheets as a potent skin irritant capable of contact dermatitis. I guess since you believe what Pickart says is "gospel", then you must be purchasing quite a bit of Folligen and must have quite a head of hair!!! Also if he is correct then why did it cause you "massive irritation" when you used it, this would prove Dr Lee was correct.

Another fact, skin irritants are capable of hair growth, this is the subject of numerous studies on HUMANS.

My opinion has always been...if it hurts your scalp don't use it. PPG caused me massive irritation..foam and Dr Lees does not.

That sounds fine to me, if your reaction was so severe then perhaps you should not use it.

But nonetheless lets be fair. There is so much of this we simply do not know. I wish we had hard studies comparing everything against each other. I am sure we can agree on that.

This I agree 100%.

 

[Cassin]

. Is the skin of mice the same as humans? Of course not. But that doesn't mean the entire theory is false.

Secondly, mouse skin does not absorb in the same manner as human skin, this has been proven in a study.

already addresses this

On Dr Pickarts website he says PPG was mainly used since it is a skin conditioner along with a delivery vehicle, although on Dr Lees site there is some study from the 40's or 50's showing it is an irritant. Doesn't matter....if Dr Pickart says it was originally thought of as a skin conditioner for rogaine thats good enough for me. They are on there somewhere if you care to look. I used to have that PPG comment bookmarked but lost it when he revamped that awful website.

then you must be purchasing quite a bit of Folligen and must have quite a head of hair!!! Also if he is correct then why did it cause you "massive irritation" when you used it, this would prove Dr Lee was correct.

I tried folligen...I didn't like it. It was far too messy. I believe Dr Lee is correct but I also believe Pickart is right. They don' have to be mutually exclusive.

It wouldn't be the first or last time a product has been pushed through with it be perfect for everyone.

My opinion has always been...if it hurts your scalp don't use it. PPG caused me massive irritation..foam and Dr Lees does not.

That sounds fine to me, if your reaction was so severe then perhaps you should not use it.

I don't.

 

[hair_tomorrow]

First of all, other than the standard Rogaine formulation, no other hybrid formula has been clinically tested. They have all been touted as more cosmetically acceptable, but beyond that its anybodys guess as far as effectiveness. Anyone who makes a statement otherwise, I ask to back it up with clinical evidence. If you want sometime whose results are known, stick with a minoxidil formulation that is exactly as per Rogaine.

What you write makes sense - but I've always been of the opinion that minoxodil (the main ingredient in Rogaine) is minoxidil is minoxidil is min . . .

Different manufacturers have their own formulations - but still - keep minoxidil is the main ingredient.

It's like Naproxin versus Ibuprophen - (maybe not the best example) where 1 is the brand name and the other the generic.

So, my feeling has always been - it's all good. Whatever minoxidil formulation suits you best.

I believe that Dr. Lee's #500 is as effective as brand name Rogaine. (It's definitely more "hair friendly" - but that really wasn't part of the original question).

 

[gjp2222]

The problem is they are not true generics, the vehicle has been changed and that can make a big difference. On the other hand a brand such as Kirkland is a true generic, same formula, just another brand. If you keep the same formula you know what to expect. With Lee's formula, as an example, many users complain about white residue being left on the scalp after drying, to me that means the active ingredient, minoxidil, is sitting on their scalp and did not penetrate to the follicle where it is needed. You can use whatever you want, but don't expect the to get the same level of growth of the original.

 

[Cassin]

The problem is they are not true generics, the vehicle has been changed and that can make a big difference. On the other hand a brand such as Kirkland is a true generic, same formula, just another brand. If you keep the same formula you know what to expect. With Lee's formula, as an example, many users complain about white residue being left on the scalp after drying, to me that means the active ingredient, minoxidil, is sitting on their scalp and did not penetrate to the follicle where it is needed. You can use whatever you want, but don't expect the to get the same level of growth of the original.

I have seen more people complain about residue from regular minoxidil than Dr Lees tenfold.

 

[gjp2222]

Please....just the opposite here, Lee is a salesman first, doctor second, he doesn't care what he sells, hence the push of his "infamous" azelaic acid compounds, about as worthless as any snake oil out there. I made a number of mistakes in the past, his products were one of them. Not one of his minoxidil products has one clinical trial behind it, just loads of BS, the trademark of this industry.

 

[Cassin]

Please....just the opposite here, Lee is a salesman first, doctor second, he doesn't care what he sells, hence the push of his "infamous" azelaic acid compounds, about as worthless as any snake oil out there. I made a number of mistakes in the past, his products were one of them. Not one of his minoxidil products has one clinical trial behind it, just loads of BS, the trademark of this industry.

You ever considered relaxation techniques?