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How do you know they cancelled their pipe line?
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Not a good sign. Long period of time between completition of trial and results release usually means two things - Either there are side effects and they are trying to find out if there is any direct link to it or results are not good and they are trying to find any use from it.
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Well triple hair still due to release their TH16 by May apparently so let’s see
They didn't cancel their pipeline, two of the studies removed were for the same compound that they currently have in phase 3.
They might also have some difficulties with data collection due to covid that might be interfering with the processing of the results. I'd tend to agree though if they don't announce topline data (or an announcement of the announcement date) by Q3 it's a very poor sign.
No they didn't, the "pipeline" was all studies completed 3-4 years ago. It also doesn't mean these are canceled just because they changed the website.
Except results are not actually delayed lol, it's March and the student ended January 1st.
At least we have you on record saying that if they aren't announced by the end of the year SM is a failure.
I feel like you think I'm expecting this to be a revolutionary treatment or something. All I'm hoping for is 10-20% above baseline/placebo after 1 year through a different mechanism then minoxidil. You know how few people respond well to min; not all of us need triple digit terminal growth to get to a better spot. I want better treatments as well, but there's nothing else in phase 2/3 that offers something more substantial at the moment.
But yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that the longer these results are kept from being publicized the more likely they will come out as a failure.
HMI-115 is about to enter phase II. Shiseido and Follicum are in Phase II. CB and Follica are in phase III. All of these have more potential than SM
KY is available now on the grey market and will destroy SM.
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And I would love to try all of these, and will be monitoring what happens with your group buy of KY. Doesn't mean I'm going to actively be rooting against a company/treatment in a market that has had the same 2 legal options for 20-30 years because I find it not worthy of my own time (from your perspective).
I'm not rooting against them, I've just stated my opinion that it's not going to be released and not worth getting your hopes up over. I would be just as happy as you if I was wrong.
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Where can I buy KY??
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I just lost 5 minutes of my life
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I started hearing about TH16 and it sounded so promising, but I just Googled the creator (Dr. Satish Asotra) and he's a hippy dippy goon who promotes unscientific "alternative" practices, so let's hope this product is legit.
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Thanks. They claim that it outperformed 5% minoxidil...?
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Right now it just says: "In our Phase II clinical trials, TH-16 proved more effective than Minoxidil 5%." I'll try to contact them for more info.
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That is actually the issue. The trial finished without any delays on 12th of January. That means, they collected all the photos already. Some of the users ended the trial at the late autumn. How long do you think, that counting of 1cm2 for one team would take? Even if one patient would take 2 hours to measure from photos and there would be only 5 members of the team it wouldnt take that extra long time. 675 patients would take in that case 34 working days, so in two months you should have numbers and after that it is just one day for average data analyst to make the results. Some companies are able to release their trial results 3 months after completition, but that trial was for cirrhosis of the liver etc. That is much harder to collect data. Pharma company my father works in realeased their trial for asthma drug only 2 month after it ended. And that was collecting of blood results etc.
I do not agree completely with pegasus2 opinion on Samumed since I like their approach, but in our case every product is a scam until proven otherwise. Since they should already have at least idea if it works or not.
Another thing, why they havent started the talks with FDA? There is no record about that in FDA. Only the formal sh*t you need to go through before they will be judging the product and start approval process takes ages. Wouldnt you want to move forward through this with working product? And they havent submitted even the phase 2 talks yet.
I trully hope, that I will be proven wrong, but if they won't release any results before the end of April, it will be another failed attempt.