Should I Add S5 Cream To My Regimen?

[Illusions]

"Your arguement is that blocking an extra 20% of DHT is suicidal, where as finasteride is completely fine, which is a pretty asinine argument to say the least."

You literally said one post ago that statement, which is entirely different to "It was indeed your argument, again a direct quote from your earlier post: "5% get sides on dutasteride compared to finasteride which is 2%"

I can't tell if you're trolling or just blatantly retarded.

I'm not sure whether you're getting confused with the numbers or what, but how is that in any way different? Both of them quotes are you claiming the extra 20% of DHT blocked means that dutasteride is "suicidal" because side effects are more common. Your whole argument was based around dutasteride causing more side effects than finasteride because studies show it has an extra 3% rate of side effects occurring, obviously side effects are more common because of the extra 20% of DHT blocked, this by no means makes it dangerous or "suicidal". You can throw whatever insults you want at me and dislike as much posts as you want, it just further proves my point that you know you're wrong and have long lost this debate.

 

[zetta98]

I been taking dutasteride for 14 months and only side I use to experience was very minor short lasting ball ache which went away. Other than that I have experience no sides. As far as it being far better than finasteride I doubt it. As I'm still losing hair on it. I also tried s5 cream for 8 months with no visible results.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Almost everything you listed is useless for hair loss. Nizoral is complete sh*t as well (even though some people live by it, I think it is just the placebo effect). I honestly believe the only 2 effective treatments are finasteride (dutasteride) and minoxidil. I am on 2mg finasteride daily (doctor upped my dosage recently from 1mg) and was using minoxidil 5% 2x daily for 2 years and continued to lose hair, so wouldn't say I am not using them properly. Minoxidil is proven to not work for everyone, and literally do nothing for many people. Also finasteride isn't necessarily strong enough for everyone. I remember reading somewhere that it only reduces scalp DHT levels like 50%, which is not necessarily going to stop your hair loss (may slow it down though) if the follicles are extremely sensitive to DHT. Also I don't believe DHT is the only cause of male pattern baldness, I believe there are other factors involved, so blocking DHT won't necessarily stop hair loss.

I've never heard of the placebo effect actually growing hair.

I never said that? I said that there are plenty of studies saying that finasteride and Nizoral statistically offer better results than simply using finasteride. That is a fact. There are also studies supporting LLLT treatment.

Before you go nuclear with dutasteride, use a laser helmet with at least 60 diodes at wavelength 650-680, use Nizoral 2% alternated with a decent non sulfate shampoo (preferably with DHT blockers and caffeine), and take vitamins.

The studies on LLLT are manufacturers' studies.

It's no different from the studies extolling the benefits of saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil, etc for hair loss.

 

[Swiss_Tampons]

The studies on LLLT are manufacturers' studies.

It's no different from the studies extolling the benefits of saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil, etc for hair loss.

Tampon approved.

 

[JeanLucBB]

I've never heard of the placebo effect actually growing hair.


The studies on LLLT are manufacturers' studies.

It's no different from the studies extolling the benefits of saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil, etc for hair loss.

There are plenty of studies showing saw palmetto is effective at reducing DHT to about 30% of the extent of finasteride. It objectively reduces alpha 5 reductase 2, arguing it does nothing is stupidity. I'm not advocating a regime of pure saw palmetto nizoral and LLLT, but LLLT and nizoral in particular are worthy additions.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Tampon approved.

Says the one on Alfatradiol lmfao.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Says the one on Alfatradiol lmfao.

Alfatradiol is recommended by Swoop, pretty much the most knowledgeable guy on the forum.

You're right about one thing though, saw palmetto is modestly effective.

I agree about Nizoral.

LLLT however has no independent evidence and no scientific mechanism.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Alfatradiol is recommended by Swoop, pretty much the most knowledgeable guy on the forum.

You're right about one thing though, saw palmetto is modestly effective.

I agree about Nizoral.

LLLT however has no independent evidence and no scientific mechanism.

There are studies suggesting alfatradiol is less effective than minoxidil 2%. It doesn't matter what one guy thinks, potentially it will work for some and not others just like minoxidil, but in general it is not as effective.

 

[Swiss_Tampons]

Says the one on Alfatradiol lmfao.

lol, this is incomplete. BTW, let me be blunt with you since regular humans aren't very good at it: If you a) are oblivious to the influence of industry-funded ''''''research'''''' in the spreading and perpetuation of scams and b) if you truly thinks LLLT does something other than slightly increasing your energy bill, I tell you: you are in the wrong neighborhood. You got to hang out with the Taoist soap guys. Maybe the Scalp Massage dudes will accept you too; in your shoes, I would even dare to try the hot-blood-head-stands-guys, they may have room for you in their club.

Here, my friend, you will have no mercy as long as you are wearing that STUPID laser-helmet.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

@Swiss_Tampons , where do you buy your alfatradiol? are you sure about the source?

 

[JeanLucBB]

lol, this is incomplete. BTW, let me be blunt with you since regular humans aren't very good at it: If you a) are oblivious to the influence of industry-funded ''''''research'''''' in the spreading and perpetuation of scams and b) if you truly thinks LLLT does something other than slightly increasing your energy bill, I tell you: you are in the wrong neighborhood. You got to hang out with the Taoist soap guys. Maybe the Scalp Massage dudes will accept you too; in your shoes, I would even dare to try the hot-blood-head-stands-guys, they may have room for you in their club.

Here, my friend, you will have no mercy as long as you are wearing that STUPID laser-helmet.

It literally costs $250 and I can jack off to p**rn for 20 minutes while wearing it. Also there are around 20 studies supporting it so are you really saying that not a SINGLE study around LLLT is legitimate?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It literally costs $250 and I can jack off to p*rn for 20 minutes while wearing it. Also there are around 20 studies supporting it so are you really saying that not a SINGLE study around LLLT is legitimate?

The burden of proof for LLLT is actually quite low: we'd like to see two independent studies showing it to be useful, or simply a convincing mechanism by which it could work.

I did try LLLT last year, I found the lost time was an awful side effect. It's $250, plus the lost time. It's another thing to do everyday forever. If you're going to add a chore like that, why not first make sure it's useful?

 

[Swiss_Tampons]

@Swiss_Tampons , where do you buy your alfatradiol? are you sure about the source?

I'm doing a similar experiment someone here mentioned months ago with Galderma's Avicis. It's OTC in Tamponlandia. So basically it's the plain commercial version tweaked to 2x the regular concentration.

Does someone remember who was also doing this?

 

[Swiss_Tampons]

so are you really saying that not a SINGLE study around LLLT is legitimate?

Yes.

 

[JeanLucBB]

The burden of proof for LLLT is actually quite low: we'd like to see two independent studies showing it to be useful, or simply a convincing mechanism by which it could work.

I did try LLLT last year, I found the lost time was an awful side effect. It's $250, plus the lost time. It's another thing to do everyday forever. If you're going to add a chore like that, why not first make sure it's useful?

All of the studies show minute improvements. Not sure why you people find it so hard to multitask, but you indeed can do other things while wearing the helmet; trading stocks, listening to music, watching TV, studying, jacking off, having sexual intercourse, organising a bank robbery, at the end of the day it isn't burdensome in the slightest and may have a slight improvement. The $250 is a bit more than a days work for the average person.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

All of the studies show minute improvements.

Doesn't coca cola have studies exonerating the health effects of aspartame?

 

[JeanLucBB]

Doesn't coca cola have studies exonerating the health effects of aspartame?

You can't bash LLLT when you're doing intermittent fasting, tea tree oil conditioner, peppermint oil and Garnier Stemoxydine. Hippie sh*t.

 

[Swiss_Tampons]

All of the studies show minute improvements. Not sure why you people find it so hard to multitask, but you indeed can do other things while wearing the helmet; trading stocks, listening to music, watching TV, studying, jacking off, having sexual intercourse, organising a bank robbery, at the end of the day it isn't burdensome in the slightest and may have a slight improvement. The $250 is a bit more than a days work for the average person.

The main problem is not the time the laser scam consume, it's the symbolic weight of being fooled like a little clueless children. I don't know what's your occupation, but as a scholar blood-soaked Tampon, I can assure you that blatant 'scientific' fraud isn't uncommon AT ALL.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You can't bash LLLT when you're doing intermittent fasting, tea tree oil conditioner, peppermint oil and Garnier Stemoxydine. Hippie sh*t.

I'm doing minoxidil and RU.

The other stuff is bonus, takes less time and money.

Tea tree oil and peppermint oil are known anti inflammatories.

Intermittent fasting is for general health.

Anyway keep wasting your time and money on LLLT. It has no science backing it up.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

The main problem is not the time the laser scam consume, it's the symbolic weight of being fooled like a little clueless children. I don't know what's your occupation, but as a scholar blood-soaked Tampon, I can assure you that blatant 'scientific' fraud isn't uncommon AT ALL.

That's a good point.

By doing LLLT, one is endorsing fraud and undermining real science.