SM04554 Phase 2 results

[Baldybald1]

Again, this guy swoop has a lot of knowledge about hairloss. If you get haters it means you are successful, so keep it up !

 

[AbuAktar]

What is wrong with them? I like them man! This is from a while ago; http://s28.postimg.org/qouwktjcd/older15.jpg. Weak brittle hibernation state there while being at higher bf%.

If you really want I can send you that picture from my avatar later in a way higher resolution so you can have a actual proper look at my nipples and have a quick wank :jackit:? Just PM me if you want to have it. I'll provide it anytime man if that makes you happy. Let's stay on topic here though.

PM me

 

[Abu Hairy Al-Forhedi]

Makes no sense..... So you think they're just gonna present average date in order to get investors?

You guys so naive. Seen it many times. last time with COSMO Pharma. CB-03-01. COSMO Ph. share prices peaked at the end of 2014. as they finished phase 2 trials. Any of you heard of them since then? no. Their share price is in free fall since end of 2014.

I'm not being pessimistic, only saying: manage your expectations. These companies tend to over-hype these events so they can milk as much money as they can.

 

[Breyfogle]

What is wrong with them? I like them man! This is from a while ago; http://s28.postimg.org/qouwktjcd/older15.jpg. Weak brittle hibernation state there while being at higher bf%.

If you really want I can send you that picture from my avatar later in a way higher resolution so you can have a actual proper look at my nipples and have a quick wank :jackit:? Just PM me if you want to have it. I'll provide it anytime man if that makes you happy. Let's stay on topic here though.

Never change Swoop!

On SM - Phase 3 would be a huge deal. I'm pretty sure no AA treatment has gone into phase 3 since Propecia about 25 years ago.

 

[Abu Hairy Al-Forhedi]

Never change Swoop!

On SM - Phase 3 would be a huge deal. I'm pretty sure no AA treatment has gone into phase 3 since Propecia about 25 years ago.

LOL. they usually packed their **** and vanished.

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They will probably say that the safety profile of SM is good, that there were no serious adverse affects comparing it to control group.. yada yada yada ...

What I want to see is terminal hair count. Its been over 7 months since they started p2. they better have some concrete proof.

 

[nameless]

You guys so naive. Seen it many times. last time with COSMO Pharma. CB-03-01. COSMO Ph. share prices peaked at the end of 2014. as they finished phase 2 trials. Any of you heard of them since then? no. Their share price is in free fall since end of 2014.

I'm not being pessimistic, only saying: manage your expectations. These companies tend to over-hype these events so they can milk as much money as they can.

Samumed isn't publicly traded but I'm sure it has investors. Think back on Aderans and how their private investors dumped Aderans after Aderans released phase 2 data. Judging by what happened to Aderans the coming March 5 presentation could decide the future of SM04554.Samumed's talk about going to phase 3 could be sh!t-talk the same as Washenik (spelling) was talking positive about Aderans leading up to his phase 2 presentation and even at the phase 2 presentation. But shortly after that presentation the investors pulled the plug on Aderans.

So ultimately we should reserve judgment and wait to see the data from phase 2A. Until that data is released we won't have an idea whether or not the investors will continue to fund further studies. If the results are similar to minoxidil then I believe that there won't be a phase 3 study no matter what they're saying now.

 

[Breyfogle]

Samumed isn't publicly traded but I'm sure it has investors. Think back on Aderans and how their private investors dumped Aderans after they released phase 2 data. Judging by what happened to Aderans the coming March 5 presentation could decide the future of SM04554.Samumed's talk about going to phase 3 could be sh!t-talk the same as Washenik (spelling) was talking positive about Aderans leading up to and at the phase 2 presentation, but shortly after that presentation the investors pulled the plug on Aderans.

So ultimately we should reserve judgment and wait to see the data from phase 2A. Until that data is released we won't have an idea whether or not the investors will continue to fund further studies. If the results are similar to minoxidil then I believe that there won't be a phase 3 study no matter what they're saying now.

You're right I forgot how positive Washenik was right up until the meltdown.
The thing about Aderans was that they just sort of fizzled out. Hype, hype, hype. Then the stage 2 results came in and we had to dig for those. In a few weeks they were liquidating.

SM have been super pumped since receiving their results and they booked a huge venue to share the results with the world. I admit I'm a little excited. Maybe too much.

 

[g.i joey]

no homo swoop, your nipples look fine man








homo

 

[nameless]

You're right I forgot how positive Washenik was right up until the meltdown.
The thing about Aderans was that they just sort of fizzled out. Hype, hype, hype. Then the stage 2 results came in and we had to dig for those. In a few weeks they were liquidating.

SM have been super pumped since receiving their results and they booked a huge venue to share the results with the world. I admit I'm a little excited. Maybe too much.

Even after the meltdown, which happened right after he presented phase 2 results, he was still going on and on and on for months about how he was certain he would get new investors and look at where they are now. They're gone.

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You're right I forgot how positive Washenik was right up until the meltdown.
The thing about Aderans was that they just sort of fizzled out. Hype, hype, hype. Then the stage 2 results came in and we had to dig for those. In a few weeks they were liquidating.

SM have been super pumped since receiving their results and they booked a huge venue to share the results with the world. I admit I'm a little excited. Maybe too much.

Aderans also publicly presented their results but I don't remember what forum they presented at. Washinek looked absolutely foolish presenting his sad data while trying to look and sound all upbeat and excited and positive.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Good then that is the clarification I was seeking.

Histogen is the company that said they had even better results with older patients, not SM.

 

[nameless]

Good then that is the clarification I was seeking.

I still haven't ruled out Histogen. I think that multiple repeat follow-up treatments in the beginning might get us what we want and then do less frequent treatments for maintenance.

 

[I.D WALKER]

For what it's worth, I'm glad you think that. If Histogen came to fruition,
meaning efficacy + safety protocols proved satisfactory, and of course was commercially + conveniently available,
then I would stop worrying for good about hair loss.

I still haven't ruled out Histogen. I think that multiple repeat follow-up treatments in the beginning might get us what we want and then do less frequent treatments for maintenance.

 

[nameless]

For what it's worth, I'm glad you think that. If Histogen came to fruition,
meaning efficacy + safety protocols proved satisfactory, and of course was commercially + conveniently available,
then I would stop worrying for good about hair loss.

Don't forget that I've offered to work with people to set up some kind of rental a bunch of us could share to travel in a group to Mexico if you get to thinking it might be a good idea.

 

[Blackber]

Don't forget that I've offered to work with people to set up some kind of rental a bunch of us could share to travel in a group to Mexico if you get to thinking it might be a good idea.

I'd be up for that if/when the time comes.

 

[nameless]

I don't know how you can already make the generalization that histogen is a "comb over treatment".. 1) some of the photo evidence is far from combover. You can see terminal hair growth where there was NO hair at all and 2) if they can tweak their protocol even further, this could be a serious game changer. I am not saying you can be NW7 and regrow all your hair, but for us diffuse thinners, it could go a long way.

They're photographic evidence is screwed. Their best pic-set has major angle and style issues in the after pic compared to the before pic.
But that doesn't change that multiple follow-up treatments might result in good regrowth.

BTW, when is Histogen supposed to start this new study of theirs? If they need funding in order to proceed with the next study then
Histogen may die here and now because they may not get anymore funding. Does anyone know how their funding is coming along?

 

[firstpost]

I hope they release chemical formula along with safety and efficiency data.

 

[IvanXproject]

Does anyone think that SM could potentially have worse side effects than finasteride? What kind of side effects could we expect from this type of drug?

 

[Drogedagh]

omg let's just wait

 

[Swoop]

These companies tend to over-hype these events so they can milk as much money as they can.

QFT, not only companies though. Also researchers. Either for funding or career perspectives (bias results and such). Many people seem to forget that crucial aspect.

 

[Dench57]

Let's hope the results are encouraging. Then we can get that formula and have our unscrupulous friends in China fashion our own SM.