so i'm joining the club.. please help me pick a treatment

[angryLoser]

I didn't mean to pick nerds with hair, but my point was to pick people who have no muscle with hair vs. a built guy with no hair. Of course a guy with hair and muscle is going to have more options than someone without one of them. But to say that having hair and no muscle is better than muscle and no hair just seems ridiculous.

And sorry, I just can't relate to the idea that being healthy is less important than having hair.

Jayman, is that you in the avatar? At the risk of sounding gay, I think you would look way more badass if you had your hair buzzed down. Most guys I don't think even take care of their hair well and might as well buzz it down so it at least looks clean and groomed rather than having a big greasy mop on their head.

 

[H2O]

But to say that having hair and no muscle is better than muscle and no hair just seems ridiculous.

And sorry, I just can't relate to the idea that being healthy is less important than having hair.

Thankfully these aren't mutually exclusive states of being. I spend a total of 10 minutes out of my day for my hair regimen and spend 40 minutes on cardio/strength training. Why settle for one whe you can have both.

Angryloser...although your description of the potential "sides" in treatment may be accurate, I believe you may have an exaggerated expectation as to the frequency of occurrence. You cannot judge frequency by the number of complaints found on these boards. As it has been pointed out many times, people experiencing good results, including no sides, tend not to post or return to hair loss boards. People experiencing negative sides and/or little sucess return for advice and support. Therefore trying to make an accurate assessment of adverse effects based off of poster's complaint ratios is inherently flawed....then again if you personally consider 4% "a good percentage of users", then I stand corrected on my second point...

 

[Guy Legend]

I'd rather be unhealthy and have hair, but that's just me.

Just wait till your'e unhealthy and see what you think then.

There's probably nothing more important in life than you're own health.

 

[angryLoser]

I mean checking the posts, it still seems like much more than the reported 2% are experiencing sides. And it seems like there are a good number who haven't seen the sides subside when quitting the drug. Not to mention that some people seem to be taking it for a couple of years before the sides occur.

Do you guys really think 2% is accurate?

H20, nice alex grey.. i just ordered that same painting as a poster ("Wonder"). have you gotten to see his gallery? it is freakin incredible.

 

[Guest]

lol you can't go by the posts bud. people only post when they get sides. not many people make posts saying look at me, no sides. keep that in mind. also, this forum is not exactly representative of the finasteride/dutasteride taking population as a whole.

 

[barcafan]

The point is, the damage (If ANY) done by finasteride isnt irreparable, so you really dont have much to lose.

 

[H2O]

....it seems like there are a good number who haven't seen the sides subside when quitting the drug.

Depends on what drug you're talking about. Propecia/finasteride has an extremely short half-life (something like 6 hours or so). Basically most is out of your system within 48 hours. Beyond the studies which support the diminution of sides within a month or so, it is logical to assume the body returns to its previous state after the drug has left the body.

Avodart/dutasteride has a much longer half-life and therefore takes a much longer time to leave the body. Any negative sides experienced will therefore take a proportionally longer period of time to diminish, yes, but again one can expect to eventually return to "normal". Some reports have quoted times as long as 6 months or even a year...although a year is most certainly not typical.

Not to mention that some people seem to be taking it for a couple of years before the sides occur.

This is also supported by the research, but keep in mind these are extremely low numbers and one can even argue the same complaints of sides appear in the placebo group at statistically significant amounts which calls into question what proportion is actually caused by the drug and what is a product of other factors.

Do you guys really think 2% is accurate?

I think it perhaps is a percent or two low if I had to hazard a guess...but then again...would you rather put faith in a random intuitive guess or the results of multiple double-blind scientifically controlled studies involving thousands of participants? :wink:

H20, nice Alex grey.. I just ordered that same painting as a poster ("Wonder"). have you gotten to see his gallery? it is freakin incredible.

Actually I just met Alex Grey when he came to my area for a lecture. He covered the whole history of his artwork chronologically. It really was amazing....and he and his wife are incredibly nice people. Good choice in the poster...It's among my favorites!!

 

[Bryan]

Depends on what drug you're talking about. Propecia/finasteride has an extremely short half-life (something like 6 hours or so). Basically most is out of your system within 48 hours. Beyond the studies which support the diminution of sides within a month or so, it is logical to assume the body returns to its previous state after the drug has left the body.

It's probably even more logical to assume that the body returns to its previous state after DHT levels have returned to normal, which is a different time period than when the drug has left the body.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Depends on what drug you're talking about. Propecia/finasteride has an extremely short half-life (something like 6 hours or so). Basically most is out of your system within 48 hours. Beyond the studies which support the diminution of sides within a month or so, it is logical to assume the body returns to its previous state after the drug has left the body.

It's probably even more logical to assume that the body returns to its previous state after DHT levels have returned to normal, which is a different time period than when the drug has left the body.

Bryan

Yes and this is the #1 reason why sides on Avodart would suck, because they can take months and months to go away.

 

[Follically Challenged]

[quote="Follically Challenged":35cd1]I'd rather be unhealthy and have hair, but that's just me.

Just wait till your'e unhealthy and see what you think then.

There's probably nothing more important in life than you're own health.[/quote:35cd1]

Hey idiot the topic of conversation is will dutasteride make you a lazy slug who doesn't want to work out. When you hear about dutasteride causing brain tumours let me know...'til then...

 

[SE-freak]

lol you can't go by the posts bud. people only post when they get sides. not many people make posts saying look at me, no sides.

Look at me, no sides.

 

[Guest]

Well, I have sides(ZERO libido) and I came here before I started taking finasteride so you can´t say that I am only posting because finasteride doesn´t work me. Nevertheless I advise anyone to at least try finasteride. If you get sides and can´t stand them you simply quit. I hope I didn´t scare you but that´s just what happened to me. Good Luck to you!

 

[angryLoser]

Well, I have sides(ZERO libido)

and you still take it??

 

[Guest]

Of course I do, hair is more important to me than having a sex drive(or basically all other side effects that may appear). There are also ways to counter these sides if I actually wanted to.

 

[roki]

Well, I have sides(ZERO libido) and I came here before I started taking finasteride so you can´t say that I am only posting because finasteride doesn´t work me. Nevertheless I advise anyone to at least try finasteride. If you get sides and can´t stand them you simply quit. I hope I didn´t scare you but that´s just what happened to me. Good Luck to you!

maybe having real sex could improve your libido

 

[Guest]

Hmm, I don´t think so, I have literally lost all interest in sex with women(or anyone else ). This may sound strange, but I am not even really sad about it since like that I am no longer dependant on women. But I will try to gain my sex drive back nevertheless since it is just a part of us humans and to make sure I can have my libido when I need it.

 

[H2O]

Depends on what drug you're talking about. Propecia/finasteride has an extremely short half-life (something like 6 hours or so). Basically most is out of your system within 48 hours. Beyond the studies which support the diminution of sides within a month or so, it is logical to assume the body returns to its previous state after the drug has left the body.

It's probably even more logical to assume that the body returns to its previous state after DHT levels have returned to normal, which is a different time period than when the drug has left the body.

Bryan

Absolutely correct....and of course there will be a lag there...good point

 

[Guy Legend]

[quote="Guy Legend":4c222][quote="Follically Challenged":4c222]I'd rather be unhealthy and have hair, but that's just me.

Just wait till your'e unhealthy and see what you think then.

There's probably nothing more important in life than you're own health.[/quote:4c222]

Hey idiot the topic of conversation is will dutasteride make you a lazy slug who doesn't want to work out. When you hear about dutasteride causing brain tumours let me know...'til then...[/quote:4c222]

Wow, someone took things the wrong way.... :roll:

And if you don't consider issues regarding one's sexual physiological functioning and other possible unknown factors that may result from altering hormones (ex: lots of people complaints of impaired mental cognition, etc.) as being part of your're health, then forget about it....seeing as how it will take life threatening scenarios like brain tumors for hair to take a backseat.

 

[Follically Challenged]

Hmm yes sorry I over-reacted. But, I know dutasteride has not been around fo a long time. We don't know what the long term side effects might be, if any. But, like an idiot once said.....

"Bring 'em on."