Some kids reactions to shaving their heads

[jd_uk]

Shaved NW1 =/ shaved NW6.

Funny how you turn up now? The other threads got a little much for you aye?

And cut the cr*p, when you shave with no guard like i have before or like other guys do who get success with women then it's barely possible to tell. Then there are the vids of the guy with his grown out horseshoe doing great with girls and just the guys i know with hit girlfriends who are NW5+.

Edit, i've just seen you edited your post with pictures. Is that honestly supposed to prove something??? There is absolutely nothing about the second guys appearance that would prevent him from doing well with women. I know girls who would find him attractive for sure.

 

[jd_uk]

Look, all the NW5-7's here are telling your you're wrong. Wrong! Get that through your goddamn fullheaded skull.

"On here". I genuinely struggle as to how someone can be so intellectually limited in every argument they make. I personally know guys who do just f*cking great while very bald and see it on a daily basis yet you think a handful of depressive guys who have found their way to the impact of hair loss forum on the internet it definitive.

This forum should be the busiest one in the world really shouldn't it? I'm amazed that my posts show on the first page of this impact forum for more than 5 minutes with all the hundreds of thousands of bald, depressed guys who should be posting here.

Your time in psychiatry? I suspect there was another element to that. In fact i genuinely think from your posts it would do you good to get another assessment because it's clear to me that you are quite disturbed in ways. You have this clear desire to see other people scared or anxious (probably how you feel deep down). This week i've seen you propogating your negativity on numerous threads, even on the general board. Guys who are just trying to deal with their hair loss, saying they're going to own it...only for you to pop up with you 'sure you will' comments. Yesterday you took it upon yourself to tell some girl 'good luck finding a boyfriend then' because she happened to be educated and wanted a good career. As if the well educated and successful women i know don't have partners. You're desperate to bring others down with your sweeping statements. To me, people like you are the lowest of the low. Hopefully you'll get some help.

 

[xetudor]

Anyone who can't see the huge difference between a shaved NW1 and a NW7 can't be taken seriously. Women can't tell? Anyone can ****ing tell, it's totally different aesthetics. Even if a dude has a NW1 hairline but his hair is thinning you can still the difference but if there is no hair in the front then the aesthetics take a serious damage.

 

[Rockinlove]

You can still get the job done. If you want proof of this then look no further than Gabrielle D' Annunzio. He is among history's most prolific seducers.

Anyone who can't see the huge difference between a shaved NW1 and a NW7 can't be taken seriously. Women can't tell? Anyone can ****ing tell, it's totally different aesthetics. Even if a dude has a NW1 hairline but his hair is thinning you can still the difference but if there is no hair in the front then the aesthetics take a serious damage.

 

[Rudiger]

You have this clear desire to see other people scared or anxious (probably how you feel deep down). This week i've seen you propogating your negativity on numerous threads, even on the general board. Guys who are just trying to deal with their hair loss, saying they're going to own it...only for you to pop up with you 'sure you will' comments. Yesterday you took it upon yourself to tell some girl 'good luck finding a boyfriend then' because she happened to be educated and wanted a good career. As if the well educated and successful women i know don't have partners. You're desperate to bring others down with your sweeping statements. To me, people like you are the lowest of the low. Hopefully you'll get some help.

Aaaand this is where Fred goes quiet. He knows this is the truth, whether he means to or not, he loves dragging people down to feeling as bad as he does, it's really sick actually. And I've been bringing it up for a while, the fact he keeps doing it, and any time I do bring it up, he shuts right up, that's the last we'll hear of it. Even if he does reply to this thread now, he won't want to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole.

Absolutely anything else I bring up, even if he's completely wrong and squirming out some twisted excuse to validate his thoughts, he'll still reply, damn sure, but this? Nope, never touches it, he knows what he's doing.

Just like that girl, he wants to put everyone in these little boxes he creates, and of course, none of these little boxes ever mean anything positive, it's always doom and gloom, and the "exposure" of human superficiality and greed, because he thinks 100% of people think like he does, that we're all biologically the same as apes. He reads one article that sort-of agrees with his thoughts (sometimes, not even at all, for example that cancer one) and then it becomes FACT, the confirmation bias is unbelievable.

But this gives him the strength to put others down, just like that girl. I can only guess he has a really empty life to do such things, and worse he's doing it on the pretence that he's doing us all a favour, which is practically borderline psychopathic. He claims it's to make us "real" so we don't wake up sad one day, and while I agree that being realistic is important, this is not at all the reason he constantly puts others down, what a load of bull****, he jerks off on the idea of everyone being as depressed as he is, and he'll continue doing his best to achieve this.

What annoys me more isn't Fred himself, because he's just some maniac who should be avoided, but the people who hail him as some sort of great visionary, that think these binary thoughts he has are "real" and revolutionary, and his greatest fans are the ones down the line who end up coming on here to say they're getting worse and worse, baldness is killing them and they can't deal with it. What a ****ing surprise that is! Well it's a good thing they remained "real" otherwise they might not be so damn happy right?

 

[Rockinlove]

I couldn't agree with Fred more. I have friggin' superior fullheaded genes. It's all that matters. Even if some of you have a micropenis.

Oh trust me, women can tell, and that's why they gave you a chance so easily.

They know you could still grow it out. Thanks to your superior fullhead genes.

 

[jd_uk]

What annoys me more isn't Fred himself, because he's just some maniac who should be avoided, but the people who hail him as some sort of great visionary, that think these binary thoughts he has are "real" and revolutionary, and his greatest fans are the ones down the line who end up coming on here to say they're getting worse and worse, baldness is killing them and they can't deal with it. What a ****ing surprise that is! Well it's a good thing they remained "real" otherwise they might not be so damn happy right?

Negativity breeds negativity. There are plenty of guys here who are nearly, or even just as crazy. They feed off each other.

 

[blackg]

Negativity breeds negativity. There are plenty of guys here who are nearly, or even just as crazy. They feed off each other.

Ummm.. This is quite funny in its irony. But, it seems like you and hair loss have your own confirmation bias against Fred and his disciples.
Not EVERYTHING they say is negative, ya know.
I've actually heard a lot of humour on this site by these folks.

 

[jd_uk]

You call it negativity, I call it realism.

When you're bald, you'll understand.

That's all I can say.

There's a surprise.

 

[xetudor]

What are you guys actually disagreeing on? I forgot.

 

[Joan]

h.l. and jd_uk: Do you think the guys who post nothing but negativity regarding baldness would be in the Impact section if their baldness didn't make them unattractive and unable to attract women? If they're unable to get dates/hookups/whatever, especially the guys who had no problems when they had hair, wouldn't you think they're telling the truth about how women feel about them? Why would they be here if women were giving them the time of day? When I read these debates, these questions pop into my head.

 

[rocklegends]

h.l. and jd_uk: Do you think the guys who post nothing but negativity regarding baldness would be in the Impact section if their baldness didn't make them unattractive and unable to attract women? If they're unable to get dates/hookups/whatever, especially the guys who had no problems when they had hair, wouldn't you think they're telling the truth about how women feel about them? Why would they be here if women were giving them the time of day? When I read these debates, these questions pop into my head.

Yes, Joan is absolutely correct. the PM's i get from folks during my intermittent visits all fall in this range. JD, to the earlier point about blanket statements and sweeping conclusions that baldness == failure of life, I do advise you to reread my commentary on the matter. No, it isn't purgatory, and yes you can still live your life. However, sweeping generalizations also go on both sides of the aisle: what you are doing is essentially mirroring in contrarian view to what Fred is saying, in a similar tenor. Wouldn't that run in contrast to what you are trying to eschew?

Losing one's hair is as much an identity crisis as it is a physical one. As i said before, hair is just dead keratin, but it speaks volumes into shaping one's psyche, persona, and identity. With loss of identity comes loss of self, which is at times overwhelming for some and neutral for others. (Look at a guy like brian urlacher, who got a hair transplant after his time in the NFL, despite the fact that he had all the characteristics to pull off the look, which he did throughout his illustrious career).

My entire objective is to serve as the center ground between the two extremities: the truth of the matter is that this isn't sly bald guys, and not everyone has the bullish outlook of losing hair (which I still believe to be a slight coping mechanism, but that's just my view ). there is a reason why folks comes to the forum, and specifically the impact section. The purpose of what Fred is trying to say is that you can always "choose" (whether you want to or not) to shave your head without additional growth. However, if you are caught into the purposeless ignorance of there not being preventative treatments, and to the potential identity crisis looming for folks otherwise susceptible to naivety, it would be catastrophic. My goal in mind when I speak to folks is never to cast blankets such as one side being better than the other, but rather the pros and cons and logical progression.

The goal of this forum is not to forward a personal perspective, but rather to provide directional support and guidance. My baseline response to anyone that approaches me either here or by PM is this: If you lose your hair, you can still be happy and successful (to a moderately less degree in the dating department) person without hair, and there are occurrences in real life to show that, at least externally, folks are living their lives. However, I also remind them of the potential moral hazard that comes with not alerting them of the potential dangers that come with a scenario where one loses all their hair and can't control whether they want it back, which brings up the discussion of anti androgen therapy to maintain and possibly regrow some hair. Giving both sides of the perspective allow folks to decide for themselves whether they want to go one route or another, and that's really the only purpose that I believe knowledgeable folks ought to provide.

 

[jd_uk]

what you are doing is essentially mirroring in contrarian view to what Fred is saying, in a similar tenor. Wouldn't that run in contrast to what you are trying to eschew?

Not at all and if you think that then you should read my posts in general more carefully. What 'Fred' says goes way beyond blanket statement even. He goes out of his way to try to bring anxiety to others and I've given a couple of examples of that on this thread. People like him are toxic and as hair loss said should be avoided.

His blanket statements were easy to disprove but that is not the issue we're discussing here.

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h.l. and jd_uk: Do you think the guys who post nothing but negativity regarding baldness would be in the Impact section if their baldness didn't make them unattractive and unable to attract women? If they're unable to get dates/hookups/whatever, especially the guys who had no problems when they had hair, wouldn't you think they're telling the truth about how women feel about them? Why would they be here if women were giving them the time of day? When I read these debates, these questions pop into my head.

Joan, you seem like a nice woman, but it's not quite so simple as that. If baldness was a game changer for men then this impact forum would be infinitely more busy and popular. Certain people are far more sensitive than others and baldness impacts on their esteem in a much greater way. Hair loss can make things more difficult as a man and certain women will reject you for it, however it is nowhere near as bad as some of the guys who found their way to this forum will make out. On this forum you will only hear the extreme views.

Now, further to that, what we are talking about here is not how baldness affects dating but how the people who have been most emotionally affected by it react towards others. There are certain types of people who have had a tough time/loss of confidence and despite that will not be bitter enough to want it to happen to others. Then there are people like Fred who actively want to bring people down with them. E.g. going on to threads in the general forum and telling a guy who had just shaved his head that there is no way he will ever be happy with it, or just telling a girl here that she will not be able to find a partner simply because she's educated and wants a good career. These are the types of people who like to bring others down with them and they are absolutely the worst kind.

 

[Rockinlove]

If you were ever a pua then you ought to realise that your rhetoric is an exercise in futility. Most human beings have no understanding of the tenets of logic and reason. As it stands now, it is little more than an ego tussle between the two of you. It is pretty much a given that emotional people can be extremely vindictive.

Understand that the other person will never ever conform to your point of view.

Frankly, some of us have it worse as most conventional male pattern baldness sufferers do have the option of an expensive hair transplant. Some of us do not have that option. We are compelled to make peace with that what is not within our sphere of influence.

Not at all and if you think that then you should read my posts in general more carefully. What 'Fred' says goes way beyond blanket statement even. He goes out of his way to try to bring anxiety to others and I've given a couple of examples of that on this thread. People like him are toxic and as hair loss said should be avoided.

His blanket statements were easy to disprove but that is not the issue we're discussing here.

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Joan, you seem like a nice woman, but it's not quite so simple as that. If baldness was a game changer for men then this impact forum would be infinitely more busy and popular. Certain people are far more sensitive than others and baldness impacts on their esteem in a much greater way. Hair loss can make things more difficult as a man and certain women will reject you for it, however it is nowhere near as bad as some of the guys who found their way to this forum will make out. On this forum you will only hear the extreme views.

Now, further to that, what we are talking about here is not how baldness affects dating but how the people who have been most emotionally affected by it react towards others. There are certain types of people who have had a tough time/loss of confidence and despite that will not be bitter enough to want it to happen to others. Then there are people like Fred who actively want to bring people down with them. E.g. going on to threads in the general forum and telling a guy who had just shaved his head that there is no way he will ever be happy with it, or just telling a girl here that she will not be able to find a partner simply because she's educated and wants a good career. These are the types of people who like to bring others down with them and they are absolutely the worst kind.

 

[Joan]

Not at all and if you think that then you should read my posts in general more carefully. What 'Fred' says goes way beyond blanket statement even. He goes out of his way to try to bring anxiety to others and I've given a couple of examples of that on this thread. People like him are toxic and as hair loss said should be avoided.

His blanket statements were easy to disprove but that is not the issue we're discussing here.

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Joan, you seem like a nice woman, but it's not quite so simple as that. If baldness was a game changer for men then this impact forum would be infinitely more busy and popular. Certain people are far more sensitive than others and baldness impacts on their esteem in a much greater way. Hair loss can make things more difficult as a man and certain women will reject you for it, however it is nowhere near as bad as some of the guys who found their way to this forum will make out. On this forum you will only hear the extreme views.

Now, further to that, what we are talking about here is not how baldness affects dating but how the people who have been most emotionally affected by it react towards others. There are certain types of people who have had a tough time/loss of confidence and despite that will not be bitter enough to want it to happen to others. Then there are people like Fred who actively want to bring people down with them. E.g. going on to threads in the general forum and telling a guy who had just shaved his head that there is no way he will ever be happy with it, or just telling a girl here that she will not be able to find a partner simply because she's educated and wants a good career. These are the types of people who like to bring others down with them and they are absolutely the worst kind.

I disagree that this forum would be busier. Just because many more bald men don't participate in hair loss forums does not mean they don't feel every bit as down as some of the guys here. You can't judge how many men or women are impacted deeply by hair loss, or anything else, for that matter, by the numbers of participants on forums.

It does seem like the loss of female attention is talked about the most. I think there'd be less guys in the Impact section if women were pursuing them.

 

[jd_uk]

I disagree that this forum would be busier. Just because many more bald men don't participate in hair loss forums does not mean they don't feel every bit as down as some of the guys here. You can't judge how many men or women are impacted deeply by hair loss, or anything else, for that matter, by the numbers of participants on forums.

It does seem like the loss of female attention is talked about the most. I think there'd be less guys in the Impact section if women were pursuing them.

This forum (impact forum specifically) will typically showcase the men who feel worst about it. There must only what, 10-20 genuine regular posters here if that? It's not a lot that's for sure and the average bald guy would laugh at some of the cr*p posted here There are many men who are bald and doing just fine dating wise or with attractive girlfriends and wives - that is just a fact. I personally know men who were never particularly affected by it.

Regarding women pursuing them....maybe you would need to be male to understand this but it is just life that men will usually need to do a bit of work to attract women (women by nature tend to have more options - guys approaching). It often isn't easy for guys with perfect hair to get the girls they want let. Some of the guys on this forum lack the confidence to actually approach women and instead want to be able to sit at a bar and be admired for their looks. Well, that aint happening regularly to most guys let alone bald guys. Most guys don't get massively depressed over that though and just go out and work on the things they can control.

But again...what I am talking about is not any of this. It is the vindictive nature of certain posters who want to see others experience the anxiety that they do.

 

[hellouser]

The vast majority of bald men suffer in silence. And keep telling themselves everything is fine, despite the discrimination they face.

Society lies all the time to bald men just to keep them down.

'It's just hair. Just be confident. Look at Bruce Willis.'

Fullheads downplay baldness, but will never go bald themselves.

 

[Rudiger]

Ummm.. This is quite funny in its irony. But, it seems like you and hair loss have your own confirmation bias against Fred and his disciples.
Not EVERYTHING they say is negative, ya know.
I've actually heard a lot of humour on this site by these folks.

Sorry to break the humour you're getting out of this, but nobody said 100% of what they say is negative, simply what they do say, when it is negative, is incredibly volatile and does nothing but put people down and make them feel ****. Where would the irony be here? When Fred says something negative, we aren't surprised because it's Fred? I do need an explanation here because it seems like you're reaching far to find some irony.

But anyway, he and others make a few jokes here and there and you feel this is so relevant that it stamps out constantly reminding bald guys that they're total losers? Yeah that doesn't seem biased at all! It's like saying Donald Trump's a pretty funny guy sometimes, let's all forget about some of the awful **** he says.

h.l. and jd_uk: Do you think the guys who post nothing but negativity regarding baldness would be in the Impact section if their baldness didn't make them unattractive and unable to attract women? If they're unable to get dates/hookups/whatever, especially the guys who had no problems when they had hair, wouldn't you think they're telling the truth about how women feel about them? Why would they be here if women were giving them the time of day? When I read these debates, these questions pop into my head.

Again, I never said he posts "nothing but negativity", also I didn't say anywhere that I think they're lying about their own experiences, I don't really get this, or if you understand exactly what I have a problem with.

I'll even go as far as to say that I don't even hate most of what Fred/people like him say, it's just when he is being harshly biased against bald people, it's incredibly unjustified and cruel. Baldness worse than cancer? Baldness screws your chances of a successful career? When a bald guy leaves with a woman he's pulled, he still definitely isn't ****ing her because he's bald? These are examples of his unreasonable put-downs to make guys on here feel like ****, and there's no other reason for it, he just wants people to feel as bad as he does- and he still won't reply to this point, like I said, he replies to absolutely anything, except this accusation- because it's completely true.

I have no problem if someone wants to vent about women not caring about them, I'm fine with people saying baldness is absolutely ****, and I'd agree with that, there's no other way of being negative about baldness itself. But it's when people go overboard to saying that baldness becomes everything that represents you, and it destroys your life and your perspective, and if you don't agree it's because you're "deluded". It is literally like a cult mentality, listen to how these ****ing idiots talk, "Your posts lately are becoming a lot more realist and it's great" I mean cringe, they push each other to sound as negative as possible but not to the point of being trolls, it's almost like a game.

 

[jd_uk]

Sorry to break the humour you're getting out of this, but nobody said 100% of what they say is negative, simply what they do say, when it is negative, is incredibly volatile and does nothing but put people down and make them feel ****. Where would the irony be here? When Fred says something negative, we aren't surprised because it's Fred? I do need an explanation here because it seems like you're reaching far to find some irony.

But anyway, he and others make a few jokes here and there and you feel this is so relevant that it stamps out constantly reminding bald guys that they're total losers? Yeah that doesn't seem biased at all! It's like saying Donald Trump's a pretty funny guy sometimes, let's all forget about some of the awful **** he says.



Again, I never said he posts "nothing but negativity", also I didn't say anywhere that I think they're lying about their own experiences, I don't really get this, or if you understand exactly what I have a problem with.

I'll even go as far as to say that I don't even hate most of what Fred/people like him say, it's just when he is being harshly biased against bald people, it's incredibly unjustified and cruel. Baldness worse than cancer? Baldness screws your chances of a successful career? When a bald guy leaves with a woman he's pulled, he still definitely isn't ****ing her because he's bald? These are examples of his unreasonable put-downs to make guys on here feel like ****, and there's no other reason for it, he just wants people to feel as bad as he does- and he still won't reply to this point, like I said, he replies to absolutely anything, except this accusation- because it's completely true.

I have no problem if someone wants to vent about women not caring about them, I'm fine with people saying baldness is absolutely ****, and I'd agree with that, there's no other way of being negative about baldness itself. But it's when people go overboard to saying that baldness becomes everything that represents you, and it destroys your life and your perspective, and if you don't agree it's because you're "deluded". It is literally like a cult mentality, listen to how these ****ing idiots talk, "Your posts lately are becoming a lot more realist and it's great" I mean cringe, they push each other to sound as negative as possible but not the point of being trolls, it's almost like a game.

Spot on again. I couldn't have put it better.

 

[Joan]

I wasn't talking about Fred. I was thinking about the younger guys who haven't dated, especially the guys who just can't carry the bald look. I can't imagine how hard it is to be so young and lose your hair in this superficial world.